Guest guest Posted March 30, 1999 Report Share Posted March 30, 1999 I have an off topic question about this ... what's wrong with the vitamin K drops? Are they standard procedure? What are they for? I'm trying to remember back that far and the brain's not working! -I have a five month old >daughter >> > who has not been vaccinated ( she was not given Vit K at birth, another >> > choice due to straight forward normal hombirth). >> > >> > I want to learn more and keep up to date with Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 30, 1999 Report Share Posted March 30, 1999 Vit K is given as a shot at birth and is suppose to help their clotting factors in their blood I believe. Until now I had no idea you had a choice about that either and appearantly kids are doing fine without it. I wonder how it got started in the first place, anyone know? Ann At 08:06 AM 3/30/99 -0500, you wrote: >From: " the larocca's " <larocca@...> > >I have an off topic question about this ... what's wrong with the vitamin K >drops? Are they standard procedure? What are they for? I'm trying to >remember back that far and the brain's not working! > > >-I have a five month old >>daughter >>> > who has not been vaccinated ( she was not given Vit K at birth, another >>> > choice due to straight forward normal hombirth). >>> > >>> > I want to learn more and keep up to date with > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ >Have you visited our new web site? > >Onelist: Helping to create Internet communities > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 30, 1999 Report Share Posted March 30, 1999 hi sharon, i think i e-mailed you once before but i'm not sure! please join the vaccineinjuriesonelist list. we could really use someone with all the experience! my son is 2 and was severely injured by his DTP vaccines also. i am currently trying to contact as many people as possible to join this list in hopes to share valuable info on therapies, nutrition, doctors, etc. please write back and join!!! jacki in New Jersey Re: GReetings >From: Sharron Rule <sherules@...> > >Hello everyone. >I have been enjoying reading all the different email postings here. >My Name is Sharron , I live In New Zealand > >Having a child that is Vaccine Damage from the DPT is so hard sometimes.. >Hayden is now mainstreamed in a normal class with his own teacher aid. He has >SPEECH, OT, PHYSIC, most days at school. >At 11 years old He is repeating Year 6 , and I hope he can start Year 7 next . >His educational level is around 7 / 8 years , and he is improving slowly with >all the extra help. > >If we had known what Vaccines do, we would never had vaccinated our Son.. >But hopefully others will see my Home page and learn that Vaccines are not good >for you.. They make you sick.!! >from Sharron > >sherules@... >Please Check out my Web Page at >http://www.geocities.com/HotSprings/Villa/2009/ > > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ >Did you know that we have over 85,000 e-mail communities at Onelist? > >Come visit our new web site and explore a new interest Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 30, 1999 Report Share Posted March 30, 1999 i guess vit k is necessary if babies are circumsiced in the hospital. guess it takes 7 days for clotting factor to appear which is why the jewish religion circumsiced on 7th day. this is from bits and pieces that i have heard thru the years. rhoda Re: GReetings >From: Rich or Ann Maxted <crossbow@...> > >Vit K is given as a shot at birth and is suppose to help their clotting >factors in their blood I believe. Until now I had no idea you had a choice >about that either and appearantly kids are doing fine without it. I wonder >how it got started in the first place, anyone know? > >Ann > > >At 08:06 AM 3/30/99 -0500, you wrote: >>From: " the larocca's " <larocca@...> >> >>I have an off topic question about this ... what's wrong with the vitamin K >>drops? Are they standard procedure? What are they for? I'm trying to >>remember back that far and the brain's not working! >> >> >>-I have a five month old >>>daughter >>>> > who has not been vaccinated ( she was not given Vit K at birth, another >>>> > choice due to straight forward normal hombirth). >>>> > >>>> > I want to learn more and keep up to date with >> >> >>------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>Have you visited our new web site? >> >>Onelist: Helping to create Internet communities >> > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ >New hobbies? New curiosities? New enthusiasms? > >Sign up for a new email list today > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 30, 1999 Report Share Posted March 30, 1999 I have a hard time believing that breastmilk doesn't have the perfect amount of nutrients that a baby needs, including VitK. Why would it be lacking in one vitamin? Maybe the amounts are less than in artificial milk, but maybe as with iron, it is enough as it may be more bioavailable, more readily absorbed by the infants system. Just my thoughts........Amy > Just a quick not of Vit K: Breastfed babies are at an increased risk due > to the lower levels of VitK 'compared to' artificial milk. So a straight > forward birth and a formula fed baby are at a lower risk 'cause babe is > given milk ( a full feed) earlier. My dd is fully bf and was not given the > Vit K so I totally support your decison. I was just sharing the info that I > had. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 30, 1999 Report Share Posted March 30, 1999 Yes, that's correct. The Vitamin K shot is given to help clot the baby's blood. If a healthy baby is delivered, the shot is really not necessary perhaps other than circumcising in the hospital. From what I can tell, the Vit. K shot is more along the lines of vaccinations - give it just in case something might happen within the first seven days before the baby's own blood clotting kicks in. I delivered my dd in January 1998 and we choose not to accept the Vit. K shot. She's perfectly fine - no problems. I've read in choosing not to give the shot, it is more advantageous that the baby be breastfed. I put this decision regarding the shot in my birth plan. And, we delivered at a free-standing birthing center, so that probably made it a little easier also. Crickett, wife to Mike, mommy to (1/2/98) -- On Tue, 30 Mar 1999 09:28:49 Rhoda wrote: >From: " Rhoda " <rhodaf@...> > >i guess vit k is necessary if babies are circumsiced in the hospital. guess >it takes 7 days for clotting factor to appear which is why the jewish >religion circumsiced on 7th day. this is from bits and pieces that i have >heard thru the years. rhoda > Re: GReetings > > >>From: Rich or Ann Maxted <crossbow@...> >> >>Vit K is given as a shot at birth and is suppose to help their clotting >>factors in their blood I believe. Until now I had no idea you had a choice >>about that either and appearantly kids are doing fine without it. I wonder >>how it got started in the first place, anyone know? >> >>Ann >> >> >>At 08:06 AM 3/30/99 -0500, you wrote: >>>From: " the larocca's " <larocca@...> >>> >>>I have an off topic question about this ... what's wrong with the vitamin >K >>>drops? Are they standard procedure? What are they for? I'm trying to >>>remember back that far and the brain's not working! >>> >>> >>>-I have a five month old >>>>daughter >>>>> > who has not been vaccinated ( she was not given Vit K at birth, >another >>>>> > choice due to straight forward normal hombirth). >>>>> > >>>>> > I want to learn more and keep up to date with >>> >>> >>>------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>>Have you visited our new web site? >>> >>>Onelist: Helping to create Internet communities >>> >> >> >>------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>New hobbies? New curiosities? New enthusiasms? >> >>Sign up for a new email list today >> > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ >Come check out our brand new web site! > >Onelist: Making the Internet intimate > -- Visit http://www.ivillage.com for your FREE iVillage.com email account. iVillage.com: The Women's Network -- Real Solutions for Busy Women. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 30, 1999 Report Share Posted March 30, 1999 In regard to Vit. K shot I remember reading about in a book, which is very popular. The book by Dr. Mendelsohn is called How to Raise A Healthy Child...In Spite of your Doctor. He also wrote a book called Confessions of a Medical Heretic and Male Practice How Doctors Manipulate Women. He died in 1994 but had been speaking out against vaccinations since the 1970s. All of these books are EXCELLENT. On p. 46-47 in How to Raise... he explains the pupose of Vit. K. The following is the quote from the book: " Many doctors routinely give vitamin K to newborn babies because they have been taught that infants are born with a deficiency of this vitamin, which influences how rapidly the baby's blood will clot. That's nonsense, unless the mother is severely malnourished; but most doctors do it anyway. Administration of vitamin K to the newborn may produce jaundice, which prompts the pediatrician to treat it with bilirubin lights (phototherapy). These lights expose the baby to a dozen documented hazards that may require still further treatment and possibly affect him for the rest of his life. Bilirubin is the bile pigment found in the bloodstream, which your doctor will probably describe as as a potential source of brain damage through transfer of the pigment from the bloodstream to the central nervous system. Actually, bilirubin is a normal breakdown pattern of the red blood cells. Theis breakdown converts them into bilirubin, which is what gives your infant the jaundiced, yellow coloring. This condition is not threatening except in rare instances when it is very high or rapidly rising on the first day of life. This is usually caused by Rh sensitization and requires treatment with bilirubin lights or exchange transfusions. The transfusion simply replaces your infant's blood with other blood that is not contaminated with bilirubin, while the bilirubin lights hasten its excretion.... " the larocca's wrote: > > From: " the larocca's " <larocca@...> > > I have an off topic question about this ... what's wrong with the vitamin K > drops? Are they standard procedure? What are they for? I'm trying to > remember back that far and the brain's not working! > > > -I have a five month old > >daughter > >> > who has not been vaccinated ( she was not given Vit K at birth, another > >> > choice due to straight forward normal hombirth). > >> > > >> > I want to learn more and keep up to date with > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Have you visited our new web site? > > Onelist: Helping to create Internet communities Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 30, 1999 Report Share Posted March 30, 1999 We also refused the Vitamin K injection for my daughter when she was born. She also did not receive the eye drops or the PKU test. We are expecting again in June and will refuse these things again for this baby. Vit K injections started many years ago because boys being circumsised were bleeding to death after. SO first boys who were circumsized got it and some how it came to be that every baby needed it due to a very RARE condition that may happen with bleeding in the brain after a tramatic birth. THe Vit K injection is now being linked to baby's having jaundice and getting childhood cancer. My doctor has asked that we give our unborn baby the oral Vit K but we are still going to refuse. If a mother is breastfeeding, breastmilk is suppose to be low in Vit K, formula is not. Since I'm breastfeeding my doctor thinks that I should at least give the oral vit K. My daughter did just fine without it and I'm sure this baby will too. List Owner Re: GReetings > > >>From: Rich or Ann Maxted <crossbow@...> >> >>Vit K is given as a shot at birth and is suppose to help their clotting >>factors in their blood I believe. Until now I had no idea you had a choice >>about that either and appearantly kids are doing fine without it. I wonder >>how it got started in the first place, anyone know? >> >>Ann >> >> >>At 08:06 AM 3/30/99 -0500, you wrote: >>>From: " the larocca's " <larocca@...> >>> >>>I have an off topic question about this ... what's wrong with the vitamin >K >>>drops? Are they standard procedure? What are they for? I'm trying to >>>remember back that far and the brain's not working! >>> >>> >>>-I have a five month old >>>>daughter >>>>> > who has not been vaccinated ( she was not given Vit K at birth, >another >>>>> > choice due to straight forward normal hombirth). >>>>> > >>>>> > I want to learn more and keep up to date with >>> >>> >>>------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>>Have you visited our new web site? >>> >>>Onelist: Helping to create Internet communities >>> >> >> >>------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>New hobbies? New curiosities? New enthusiasms? >> >>Sign up for a new email list today >> > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ >Come check out our brand new web site! > >Onelist: Making the Internet intimate > -- Visit http://www.ivillage.com for your FREE iVillage.com email account. iVillage.com: The Women's Network -- Real Solutions for Busy Women. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Is ONElist important to you? Has it changed your life? Come visit our new web site and share with us your stories Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 30, 1999 Report Share Posted March 30, 1999 HI: YOu do have a choice and many children were dying from bleeding internaly. It is linked with an increse in instrumental births and bruising and also linked with the riged controll of feeding. Colostrum has high levels of VitK but in the days of four hourly feeding babies were not gettig there fair share. You can also bootyour Vit K levels before babe is born so colostrum is rich. so formula fed babies are at lower risk because it is in there . REally comlicated but very interesting too. ---------- > From: Rich or Ann Maxted <crossbow@...> > Vaccinationsonelist > Subject: Re: GReetings > Date: Wednesday, 31 March 1999 01:34 > > From: Rich or Ann Maxted <crossbow@...> > > Vit K is given as a shot at birth and is suppose to help their clotting > factors in their blood I believe. Until now I had no idea you had a choice > about that either and appearantly kids are doing fine without it. I wonder > how it got started in the first place, anyone know? > > Ann > > > At 08:06 AM 3/30/99 -0500, you wrote: > >From: " the larocca's " <larocca@...> > > > >I have an off topic question about this ... what's wrong with the vitamin K > >drops? Are they standard procedure? What are they for? I'm trying to > >remember back that far and the brain's not working! > > > > > >-I have a five month old > >>daughter > >>> > who has not been vaccinated ( she was not given Vit K at birth, another > >>> > choice due to straight forward normal hombirth). > >>> > > >>> > I want to learn more and keep up to date with > > > > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >Have you visited our new web site? > > > >Onelist: Helping to create Internet communities > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > New hobbies? New curiosities? New enthusiasms? > > Sign up for a new email list today Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 30, 1999 Report Share Posted March 30, 1999 HI Crickett: Just a quick not of Vit K: Breastfed babies are at an increased risk due to the lower levels of VitK 'compared to' artificial milk. So a straight forward birth and a formula fed baby are at a lower risk 'cause babe is given milk ( a full feed) earlier. My dd is fully bf and was not given the Vit K so I totally support your decison. I was just sharing the info that I had. see ya: ---------- > From: Crickett Brown <mommytoerin@...> > Vaccinationsonelist > Subject: Re: GReetings > Date: Wednesday, 31 March 1999 03:06 > > From: " Crickett Brown " <mommytoerin@...> > > Yes, that's correct. The Vitamin K shot is given to help clot the baby's blood. If a healthy baby is delivered, the shot is really not necessary perhaps other than circumcising in the hospital. From what I can tell, the Vit. K shot is more along the lines of vaccinations - give it just in case something might happen within the first seven days before the baby's own blood clotting kicks in. > > I delivered my dd in January 1998 and we choose not to accept the Vit. K shot. She's perfectly fine - no problems. I've read in choosing not to give the shot, it is more advantageous that the baby be breastfed. I put this decision regarding the shot in my birth plan. And, we delivered at a free-standing birthing center, so that probably made it a little easier also. > > Crickett, wife to Mike, mommy to (1/2/98) > -- > > On Tue, 30 Mar 1999 09:28:49 Rhoda wrote: > >From: " Rhoda " <rhodaf@...> > > > >i guess vit k is necessary if babies are circumsiced in the hospital. guess > >it takes 7 days for clotting factor to appear which is why the jewish > >religion circumsiced on 7th day. this is from bits and pieces that i have > >heard thru the years. rhoda > > Re: GReetings > > > > > >>From: Rich or Ann Maxted <crossbow@...> > >> > >>Vit K is given as a shot at birth and is suppose to help their clotting > >>factors in their blood I believe. Until now I had no idea you had a choice > >>about that either and appearantly kids are doing fine without it. I wonder > >>how it got started in the first place, anyone know? > >> > >>Ann > >> > >> > >>At 08:06 AM 3/30/99 -0500, you wrote: > >>>From: " the larocca's " <larocca@...> > >>> > >>>I have an off topic question about this ... what's wrong with the vitamin > >K > >>>drops? Are they standard procedure? What are they for? I'm trying to > >>>remember back that far and the brain's not working! > >>> > >>> > >>>-I have a five month old > >>>>daughter > >>>>> > who has not been vaccinated ( she was not given Vit K at birth, > >another > >>>>> > choice due to straight forward normal hombirth). > >>>>> > > >>>>> > I want to learn more and keep up to date with > >>> > >>> > >>>------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >>>Have you visited our new web site? > >>> > >>>Onelist: Helping to create Internet communities > >>> > >> > >> > >>------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >>New hobbies? New curiosities? New enthusiasms? > >> > >>Sign up for a new email list today > >> > > > > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >Come check out our brand new web site! > > > >Onelist: Making the Internet intimate > > > > > -- > Visit http://www.ivillage.com for your FREE iVillage.com email account. > iVillage.com: The Women's Network -- Real Solutions for Busy Women. > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Is ONElist important to you? Has it changed your life? > > Come visit our new web site and share with us your stories Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 30, 1999 Report Share Posted March 30, 1999 Cool with your decison however one thought on the PKU test: It tests for seven metabolic disorders and I think is really important. It is a simple heel prick and for the most part paainless if babe is handled with care and has access to breast for comfort. My dd didn't make a peep and I have 'done' the test many times for other babes and most babes were quite comfy. ---------- > From: Mom2Q <mom2q@...> > Vaccinationsonelist > Subject: Re: GReetings > Date: Wednesday, 31 March 1999 05:38 > > From: " Mom2Q " <mom2q@...> > > We also refused the Vitamin K injection for my daughter when she was born. > She also did not receive the eye drops or the PKU test. We are expecting > again in June and will refuse these things again for this baby. Vit K > injections started many years ago because boys being circumsised were > bleeding to death after. SO first boys who were circumsized got it and some > how it came to be that every baby needed it due to a very RARE condition > that may happen with bleeding in the brain after a tramatic birth. THe Vit > K injection is now being linked to baby's having jaundice and getting > childhood cancer. My doctor has asked that we give our unborn baby the oral > Vit K but we are still going to refuse. If a mother is breastfeeding, > breastmilk is suppose to be low in Vit K, formula is not. Since I'm > breastfeeding my doctor thinks that I should at least give the oral vit K. > My daughter did just fine without it and I'm sure this baby will too. > > > List Owner > > Re: GReetings > > > > > >>From: Rich or Ann Maxted <crossbow@...> > >> > >>Vit K is given as a shot at birth and is suppose to help their clotting > >>factors in their blood I believe. Until now I had no idea you had a choice > >>about that either and appearantly kids are doing fine without it. I wonder > >>how it got started in the first place, anyone know? > >> > >>Ann > >> > >> > >>At 08:06 AM 3/30/99 -0500, you wrote: > >>>From: " the larocca's " <larocca@...> > >>> > >>>I have an off topic question about this ... what's wrong with the vitamin > >K > >>>drops? Are they standard procedure? What are they for? I'm trying to > >>>remember back that far and the brain's not working! > >>> > >>> > >>>-I have a five month old > >>>>daughter > >>>>> > who has not been vaccinated ( she was not given Vit K at birth, > >another > >>>>> > choice due to straight forward normal hombirth). > >>>>> > > >>>>> > I want to learn more and keep up to date with > >>> > >>> > >>>------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >>>Have you visited our new web site? > >>> > >>>Onelist: Helping to create Internet communities > >>> > >> > >> > >>------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >>New hobbies? New curiosities? New enthusiasms? > >> > >>Sign up for a new email list today > >> > > > > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >Come check out our brand new web site! > > > >Onelist: Making the Internet intimate > > > > > -- > Visit http://www.ivillage.com for your FREE iVillage.com email account. > iVillage.com: The Women's Network -- Real Solutions for Busy Women. > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Is ONElist important to you? Has it changed your life? > > Come visit our new web site and share with us your stories > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Have you visited our new web site? > > Onelist: Helping to create Internet communities Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 30, 1999 Report Share Posted March 30, 1999 , Why do they give the eye drops and why do you refuse the PKU test? Don't they just take a blood sample & test it for a specific disease? Chico, CA,USA On Tue, 30 Mar 1999 10:38:36 -0700 " Mom2Q " <mom2q@...> writes: >From: " Mom2Q " <mom2q@...> > >We also refused the Vitamin K injection for my daughter when she was >born. >She also did not receive the eye drops or the PKU test. We are >expecting again in June and will refuse these things again for this baby. Vit K >injections started many years ago because boys being circumsised were >bleeding to death after. SO first boys who were circumsized got it >and some how it came to be that every baby needed it due to a very RARE >condition that may happen with bleeding in the brain after a tramatic birth. >THe Vit K injection is now being linked to baby's having jaundice and getting >childhood cancer. My doctor has asked that we give our unborn baby >the oral Vit K but we are still going to refuse. If a mother is breastfeeding, >breastmilk is suppose to be low in Vit K, formula is not. Since I'm >breastfeeding my doctor thinks that I should at least give the oral >vit K My daughter did just fine without it and I'm sure this baby will too. > > >List Owner > > Re: GReetings >> >> >>>From: Rich or Ann Maxted <crossbow@...> >>> >>>Vit K is given as a shot at birth and is suppose to help their >clotting factors in their blood I believe. Until now I had no idea you had a >choice about that either and appearantly kids are doing fine without it. I >wonder how it got started in the first place, anyone know? >>> >>>Ann >>> >>> >>>At 08:06 AM 3/30/99 -0500, you wrote: >>>>From: " the larocca's " <larocca@...> >>>> >>>>I have an off topic question about this ... what's wrong with the >vitamin K drops? Are they standard procedure? What are they for? I'm >trying to remember back that far and the brain's not working! >>>> >>>> >>>>-I have a five month old daughter who has not been vaccinated ( she was not given Vit K at birth, another choice due to straight forward normal hombirth). >>>>>> > >>>>>> > I want to learn more and keep up to date with ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 31, 1999 Report Share Posted March 31, 1999 Hi, crickett. WHen my grandson was born my children said no, no, no. He did not get any shots either. He was born in a hospital which was open to that and a doctor's group that supported her decision. When it came to pediatrician that was different. My other grandson got everything and wasn't nursed. Two different sons of mine and two toally different decisions. rhoda, " ga " to michael 15 months. Re: GReetings >> >> >>>From: Rich or Ann Maxted <crossbow@...> >>> >>>Vit K is given as a shot at birth and is suppose to help their clotting >>>factors in their blood I believe. Until now I had no idea you had a choice >>>about that either and appearantly kids are doing fine without it. I wonder >>>how it got started in the first place, anyone know? >>> >>>Ann >>> >>> >>>At 08:06 AM 3/30/99 -0500, you wrote: >>>>From: " the larocca's " <larocca@...> >>>> >>>>I have an off topic question about this ... what's wrong with the vitamin >>K >>>>drops? Are they standard procedure? What are they for? I'm trying to >>>>remember back that far and the brain's not working! >>>> >>>> >>>>-I have a five month old >>>>>daughter >>>>>> > who has not been vaccinated ( she was not given Vit K at birth, >>another >>>>>> > choice due to straight forward normal hombirth). >>>>>> > >>>>>> > I want to learn more and keep up to date with >>>> >>>> >>>>------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>>>Have you visited our new web site? >>>> >>>>Onelist: Helping to create Internet communities >>>> >>> >>> >>>------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>>New hobbies? New curiosities? New enthusiasms? >>> >>>Sign up for a new email list today >>> >> >> >>------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>Come check out our brand new web site! >> >>Onelist: Making the Internet intimate >> > > >-- >Visit http://www.ivillage.com for your FREE iVillage.com email account. >iVillage.com: The Women's Network -- Real Solutions for Busy Women. > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ >Is ONElist important to you? Has it changed your life? > >Come visit our new web site and share with us your stories > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 31, 1999 Report Share Posted March 31, 1999 Eye drops Opthamalic Erythromycin is used to prevent the infection of Gonorrhea in the mother's vaginal canal from contaminating the baby's eyes. Erythro has not been proven to make any difference in the incidence of gonorrhea in newborns. IF you do not have gonorrhea the eye drops are NOT needed. The drops will cause temporary blindness in infants and could be the cause of eye damage, though no studies have been done that I am aware of. PKU PKU is a rare hereditary condition in which the amino acid phenylalanine is not properly metabolized; this can cause severe mental retardation. This involves testing the blood of a newborn by pricking the heel to get the blood. If this is detected is it treatable. Many tests come out with false positives especially if the test is done too early. Many parents will do this test and not the others, we just decided against it. We felt it to be another evasive test that was not necessary in our case( NO family history) and one our midwife did not do either. List Owner Re: GReetings >> >> >>>From: Rich or Ann Maxted <crossbow@...> >>> >>>Vit K is given as a shot at birth and is suppose to help their >clotting factors in their blood I believe. Until now I had no idea you had a >choice about that either and appearantly kids are doing fine without it. I >wonder how it got started in the first place, anyone know? >>> >>>Ann >>> >>> >>>At 08:06 AM 3/30/99 -0500, you wrote: >>>>From: " the larocca's " <larocca@...> >>>> >>>>I have an off topic question about this ... what's wrong with the >vitamin K drops? Are they standard procedure? What are they for? I'm >trying to remember back that far and the brain's not working! >>>> >>>> >>>>-I have a five month old daughter who has not been vaccinated ( she was not given Vit K at birth, another choice due to straight forward normal hombirth). >>>>>> > >>>>>> > I want to learn more and keep up to date with ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Is ONElist important to you? Has it changed your life? Come visit our new web site and share with us your stories Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 31, 1999 Report Share Posted March 31, 1999 VitK is made in the intestine. A newborns intestine is sterile. I believe BM is the perfect food and the nutrients are utilised better however babies have died from internal bleeds and their levels of VIT K are low. Parents need to make na informed choice and if the birth was instrumental, or there was a cephal haematoma or sever bruising i.e face presentation, I would rethink Vit K. Interesting topic ---------- > From: Floyd2 <amy.floyd@...> > Vaccinationsonelist > Subject: Re: GReetings > Date: Wednesday, 31 March 1999 03:03 > > From: " Floyd2 " <amy.floyd@...> > > I have a hard time believing that breastmilk doesn't have the > perfect amount of nutrients that a baby needs, including VitK. Why > would it be lacking in one vitamin? Maybe the amounts are less than > in artificial milk, but maybe as with iron, it is enough as it may be > more bioavailable, more readily absorbed by the infants system. > > Just my thoughts........Amy > > > > Just a quick not of Vit K: Breastfed babies are at an increased risk due > > to the lower levels of VitK 'compared to' artificial milk. So a straight > > forward birth and a formula fed baby are at a lower risk 'cause babe is > > given milk ( a full feed) earlier. My dd is fully bf and was not given the > > Vit K so I totally support your decison. I was just sharing the info that I > > had. > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > We are proud as punch of our new web site! > > Onelist: The leading provider of free email community services Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 31, 1999 Report Share Posted March 31, 1999 Eye drops are not given here in NZ. ---------- > From: A. Denhalter <nanbad@...> > Vaccinationsonelist > Subject: Re: GReetings > Date: Wednesday, 31 March 1999 17:52 > > From: " A. Denhalter " <nanbad@...> > > , > > Why do they give the eye drops and why do you refuse the PKU test? Don't > they just take a blood sample & test it for a specific disease? > > Chico, CA,USA > > On Tue, 30 Mar 1999 10:38:36 -0700 " Mom2Q " <mom2q@...> writes: > >From: " Mom2Q " <mom2q@...> > > > >We also refused the Vitamin K injection for my daughter when she was > >born. > >She also did not receive the eye drops or the PKU test. We are > >expecting again in June and will refuse these things again for this > baby. Vit K > >injections started many years ago because boys being circumsised were > >bleeding to death after. SO first boys who were circumsized got it > >and some how it came to be that every baby needed it due to a very RARE > >condition that may happen with bleeding in the brain after a tramatic > birth. > >THe Vit K injection is now being linked to baby's having jaundice and > getting > >childhood cancer. My doctor has asked that we give our unborn baby > >the oral Vit K but we are still going to refuse. If a mother is > breastfeeding, > >breastmilk is suppose to be low in Vit K, formula is not. Since I'm > >breastfeeding my doctor thinks that I should at least give the oral > >vit K My daughter did just fine without it and I'm sure this baby will > too. > > > > > >List Owner > > > > Re: GReetings > >> > >> > >>>From: Rich or Ann Maxted <crossbow@...> > >>> > >>>Vit K is given as a shot at birth and is suppose to help their > >clotting factors in their blood I believe. Until now I had no idea you > had a > >choice about that either and appearantly kids are doing fine without it. > I > >wonder how it got started in the first place, anyone know? > >>> > >>>Ann > >>> > >>> > >>>At 08:06 AM 3/30/99 -0500, you wrote: > >>>>From: " the larocca's " <larocca@...> > >>>> > >>>>I have an off topic question about this ... what's wrong with the > >vitamin K drops? Are they standard procedure? What are they for? I'm > >trying to remember back that far and the brain's not working! > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>-I have a five month old daughter who has not been vaccinated ( she > was not given Vit K at birth, another choice due to straight forward > normal hombirth). > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> > I want to learn more and keep up to date with > > ___________________________________________________________________ > You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. > Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html > or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Is ONElist important to you? Has it changed your life? > > Come visit our new web site and share with us your stories Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 31, 1999 Report Share Posted March 31, 1999 I know this is off topic, but this caught my attention because my son was a face presentation with SEVERE bruising and swelling. In a hospital that does not have a nursery except for sick babies, they talked me into sending him to the nursery for the night (he was born at midnight, so about 6 hours). I always wondered why they did this ... any ideas? Re: GReetings Parents >need to make na informed choice and if the birth was instrumental, or there >was a cephal haematoma or sever bruising i.e face presentation, I would >rethink Vit K. Interesting topic Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 28, 1999 Report Share Posted August 28, 1999 Welcome Ginene, You have had many medical issues to deal with I don't believe your reaction was abnormal. My reaction was pretty similar after a couple of days. I was too over- whelmed the first few days after my section. DS, heart problems, increased risk of Leukemia, thyroid issues, Alzheimer's and the list goes on. So far, Nick's greatest obstacle was open heart surgery for complete AV Canal defect. All went well in March 98 and further surgeries seem needless. Hooray!! So many people wanted to know if I needed counseling or support groups. They could not always understand my very passive attitude to the DS. But that is why I was blessed with and they were not. God knows who can aptly handle a given situation and they are chosen. Hang in there....aren't those milestones great. I love to watch my twins really playing and interacting together. Life is good. Bonnie from Long Island Mom to , 9 and twins & (ds), 21 mths Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 28, 1999 Report Share Posted August 28, 1999 I can really relate to those of you saying the Down's didn't matter that much!! My Bill had so many medical problems the first 3 years (not related to the DS) I never had time to worry about the Down's. He was diagnosed with a condition called larygomylasia at 5 weeks (which is extra tissue in the larynx) and had surgery, but continued to have problems with breathing and reflux for a year. The ENT docs kept saying his throat was fine that his reflux was causing airway swelling. So we went through every test there was for reflux, GI studies milk scan and even a biopsy, but they all came back normal. Thankfully we had a wonderful pulmonoligist who had been all 3 boys doc from birth and he referred us to another ENT who said the tissue was still growing and Bill would die in weeks without a tracheotomy. After the trac was in we were in the hospital almost every month for pneumonia 2 times everyone told us that he was not going to make it. But they didn't know our Bill!!! He pulled through every time and astounded the docs with his speedy recoveries! During all this he still managed to keep up with his brothers, he even walked at 13 months with them! During a paretically bad illness he was on a ventilator and his kidneys had shut down and placed in a medication coma, they told us if he made it it would be 6 to 9 months before he could stand or walk. However our amazing Bill with the help of great nurses, walked to his followup appointment 2 weeks after leaving the hospital! Since the trac has come out and the illnesses have stopped I tend to find myself forgetting that he is disabled. When he was sick I thought of the lung and airway problems as a disability, not the DS. So now we treat him like the rest of the kids and I tend not to think about the fact that he is different. I actually got in trouble with our YMCA cause I signed all 4 kids up for swimming lessons and never said anything about the DS and we showed up and the instructor was suprised(to say the least) She didn't think he belonged with the other 4 year olds , but I told he to give him a chance and she did. Well, at the end of the 8 weeks she told me Bill didn't better than most of the kids in the class(including his brothers) And ofcourse like everyone else who meets him she fell in love with him! (Proud mom or what!) To us Down syndrome doesn't make Bill disabled it makes him Bill!!! Mom of Bill, , Alec (age4) and Hunter(age2) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 29, 1999 Report Share Posted August 29, 1999 Gail, You should not feel guilty about feeling sad. In order to be the best parents you can be you must grieve the child you did not have. This may sound cruel but it's a fact. Of course, the grieving cannot take over completely. You must grieve and move on. I still look at how Robby runs through the house and Nick watches him with determination but can only crawl behind. I feel for Nick when he gets so frustrated trying to put pieces into the puzzle but just cannot get them in precisely. Robby comes over and just drops them in. We feel that you must always look at the bright side. Most people would say what is the bright side...right now it is like having a new baby at times. Robby is on target and Nick is a few months behind. So we enjoy Robby's milestones and look forward to the time when Nick can do the same. This way we can do it all over again which is just wonderful. The first year is hard. Especially if medical issues are present. Nick had surgery at 4 months. After his recovery period things got much easier. Having therapists in and out of the home every day is hard but you adjust. I now have some new friends that are also his therapists. We chat and sometimes get together socially. Open your hearts and your eyes to the new, wonderful world that is beginning for your family. The road is bumpy but so many people before us have paved that road and smoothed over so many of the bumps and potholes. We just need to use what those before us have made possible to the fullest and our children will reap the rewards. Bonnie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 29, 1999 Report Share Posted August 29, 1999 Devitb@... wrote: > > From: Devitb@... > > Welcome Ginene, > > You have had many medical issues to deal with I don't > believe your reaction was abnormal. My reaction was > pretty similar after a couple of days. I was too over- > whelmed the first few days after my section. DS, heart > problems, increased risk of Leukemia, thyroid issues, > Alzheimer's and the list goes on. So far, Nick's > greatest obstacle was open heart surgery for complete > AV Canal defect. All went well in March 98 and further > surgeries seem needless. Hooray!! So many people wanted > to know if I needed counseling or support groups. They could > not always understand my very passive attitude to the DS. > But that is why I was blessed with and they > were not. God knows who can aptly handle a given > situation and they are chosen. > > Hang in there....aren't those milestones great. I love > to watch my twins really playing and interacting together. > Life is good. > > Bonnie from Long Island > Mom to , 9 and twins & (ds), 21 mths > > --------------------------- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 29, 1999 Report Share Posted August 29, 1999 Hello, I wish to Thank everyone for the warm welcome. My son has been doing very well for the last two years with no relapse. But for some reason tonight he has me a little concern, he's been crying quite a bit and sleeping a lot during the evening hours, he stayed up most of the day which is unusual but he was very happy and easy going during the day. So, tomorrow morning I'm off to the dr.'s office to have the ears checked. Ginene Mom to Tyre 8, Tyrey 4(DS) & Tyren 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 29, 1999 Report Share Posted August 29, 1999 , I was told that Rey-Rey will never walk, crawl, sit-up, and will never open his eyes. Now he can't do most of those things yet, but he will, since his health has been doing good (for 2yrs) he now rocks on all fours (About to crawl), bears weight on his legs, pushes from all fours to sit-up position on his own, smiles when talked to, looks at everything and recognizes Mom, Dad and brothers. Rey-Rey is 4yr old but looks to be about 1 1/2 to 2yr. His development stage is about 9months old, but he will continue to strive as long as he's healthy. Ginene Mom to Tyre 8, Tyrey 4(DS) & Tyren 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 29, 1999 Report Share Posted August 29, 1999 Gail, Vent anytime you need to. My hubby is very quiet and never shows any emotions. When I would discuss it with him, he showed no emotion and I could'nt tell if he struggling with it or not? Then we participated in our local Ds group, which held a bowl-a-thon for families. He was able to see how this kids function as other kids do, they were running behind their older siblings, and just being no different from any other kid in that place. But what really got him was this family bowling next to us, This guy who had DS was about 20 yrs, and he was bowling pretty good and then began to have a bad bowling streak, his father walked up to him and showed him how to stand and what to do and etc......... On his next turn he threw strikes and did wonderful, I believe just being surrounded by other families and visually seeing that there is no difference made an impact on my hubby. But it does get better, hang in there...... Ginene Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 30, 1999 Report Share Posted August 30, 1999 Tyre Mills, III wrote: > > From: EYN@... (Tyre Mills, III) > > Gail, > > Vent anytime you need to. > My hubby is very quiet and never shows any emotions. > > When I would discuss it with him, he showed no emotion and I could'nt > tell if he struggling with it or not? > > Then we participated in our local Ds group, which held a bowl-a-thon for > families. He was able to see how this kids function as other kids do, > they were running behind their older siblings, and just being no > different from any other kid in that place. But what really got him was > this family bowling next to us, This guy who had DS was about 20 yrs, > and he was bowling pretty good and then began to have a bad bowling > streak, his father walked up to him and showed him how to stand and what > to do and etc......... > > On his next turn he threw strikes and did wonderful, I believe just > being surrounded by other families and visually seeing that there is no > difference made an impact on my hubby. > > But it does get better, hang in there...... > > Ginene > > > > > --------------------------- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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