Greetings

[Guest guest]

Usually with an epidural you can also get a sedative. That was what I

had and I was pretty much out cold - I don't remember anything from

the OR. You may want to inquire about this.

(48)

RC2K Dr. Gross 3/24/04

I saw my doctor today and he said it would be a spinal and that I

would be awake during the surgery. That scares me a lot. But he said

that if I have a spinal, then the pain after surgery won't be as bad

because I will have medication in me immediately and won't have to

wait for something to work.

[Guest guest]

He did say they would give me a sedative if I wanted it. IF I WANT IT???? Well yes! I don't want to be awake to hear all that pounding and drilling, I know that for sure!!

sandiecm56 <ecm56@...> wrote:

Usually with an epidural you can also get a sedative. That was what Ihad and I was pretty much out cold - I don't remember anything fromthe OR. You may want to inquire about this. (48)RC2K Dr. Gross 3/24/04 I saw my doctor today and he said it would be a spinal and that Iwould be awake during the surgery. That scares me a lot. But he saidthat if I have a spinal, then the pain after surgery won't be as badbecause I will have medication in me immediately and won't have towait for something to work.

[Guest guest]

I'm just back after bilateral total knee replacements, and they did

the spinal. And, yes, they also gave a sedative. I don't remember a

thing until waking seeing the doctor bending my knees after it was

all over. As I was sitting getting the spinal I started feeling very

relaxed and woozy.....I asked if they had already started giving me

something and they chuckled and said yes...that was all she wrote.

I've also heard they give you something to help you forget. You

definitely don't want to remember what they do.

Cara

> I saw my doctor today and he said it would be a spinal and that I

> would be awake during the surgery. That scares me a lot. But he

said

> that if I have a spinal, then the pain after surgery won't be as

bad

> because I will have medication in me immediately and won't have to

> wait for something to work.

>

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>

>

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[Guest guest]

LOL I am sure I don't want to remember what they do! And I most especially don't want to hear it! So when you woke up, did you have pain? How much pain were you in from the surgery? I hope they give me something to relax me for the spinal because that just doesn't sound like much fun. Did it hurt? It just sounds so dangerous and I am afraid of moving or something.

sandiwhite_robin55 <white_robin55@...> wrote:

I'm just back after bilateral total knee replacements, and they did the spinal. And, yes, they also gave a sedative. I don't remember a thing until waking seeing the doctor bending my knees after it was all over. As I was sitting getting the spinal I started feeling very relaxed and woozy.....I asked if they had already started giving me something and they chuckled and said yes...that was all she wrote. I've also heard they give you something to help you forget. You definitely don't want to remember what they do.Cara> I saw my doctor today and he said it would be a spinal and that I> would be awake during the surgery. That scares me a lot. But he said> that if I have a spinal, then the pain after surgery won't be as bad> because I will have medication in me immediately and won't have to> wait for something to work. > > > > > >

[Guest guest]

I had absolutely no pain when I awoke. Once the spinal started

wearing off I started feeling some pain.

I was apprehensive about the spinal, but I get so sick from the

general that I was thinking it had to be easier on me. The spinal

was a piece of cake. They numb the area and have you sit and I held

a pillow in front of me...then I started feeling woozy and VERY

relaxed.

When I awoke I saw the doctor bending and testing the knees and

didn't feel it.

It really isn't bad at all! You'll do fine!! The doctors know what

they are doing. Trust the doctors!

Cara

> > I saw my doctor today and he said it would be a spinal and

that I

> > would be awake during the surgery. That scares me a lot. But

he

> said

> > that if I have a spinal, then the pain after surgery won't be as

> bad

> > because I will have medication in me immediately and won't have

to

> > wait for something to work.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Thanks....but once the spinal wears off, by that time do they have pain meds in you so you are somewhat comfortable? I know this isn't going to be pain free, no surgery is. Like I said, I haven't been uneasy at all but now I'm beginning to worry some. I kept having visions last night when I was trying to sleep of being aware of what they would be doing during surgery.

My surgeon didn't leave me feeling very confident after yesterdays visit either. It isn't his fault though and he will be fine. His brother just passed away from cancer last week and he just acts like he is in a daze. I talked with the nurse after the appointment and told her he was just so different, and she said he has been a wreck and not his usual self at all but he will be fine, not to worry. So I'm glad I'm not having this done immediately now!

sandiwhite_robin55 <white_robin55@...> wrote:

I had absolutely no pain when I awoke. Once the spinal started wearing off I started feeling some pain. I was apprehensive about the spinal, but I get so sick from the general that I was thinking it had to be easier on me. The spinal was a piece of cake. They numb the area and have you sit and I held a pillow in front of me...then I started feeling woozy and VERY relaxed. When I awoke I saw the doctor bending and testing the knees and didn't feel it. It really isn't bad at all! You'll do fine!! The doctors know what they are doing. Trust the doctors!Cara> > I saw my doctor today and he said it would be a spinal and that I>

> would be awake during the surgery. That scares me a lot. But he > said> > that if I have a spinal, then the pain after surgery won't be as > bad> > because I will have medication in me immediately and won't have to> > wait for something to work. > > > > > > > > > > > >

[Guest guest]

Sandi,

After surgery they had me attached to a morphine drip that gives a

continuous supply of morphine. Plus, they have the " magic button "

you have control of that you can push for a small boost of morphine.

The button is controlled so you won't get too much, but it sure

helps knowing you have a little control. I was told to hit the

button before the therapy or knowing you were going to have to move.

The morphine helps keep things under control and keep you

comfortable. I won't lie and say you are never in pain, for there

are those moments that you have time between button pushes that you

would really want another dose and you have to wait. But, it is all

bearable and will pass.

During surgery they do give an amnesiac type medicine that helps you

forget everything you hear. I was so scared about that, afraid I

would awaken and hear it all, but I don't remember a thing and the

first consciousness I have is when it was all over and they were

moving me around.

I want to encourage you to trust the team that will be working on

you, for there are many people in there wll working together to

ensure a successful surgery. They will be closely monitoring you in

every way and they all want the best for you.

Hope this helps with some of your fears.

Cara

> > > I saw my doctor today and he said it would be a spinal and

> that I

> > > would be awake during the surgery. That scares me a lot. But

> he

> > said

> > > that if I have a spinal, then the pain after surgery won't be

as

> > bad

> > > because I will have medication in me immediately and won't

have

> to

> > > wait for something to work.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

Hi Sandi,

I was given one of those pain pumps as soon as I woke up in the recovery room. I rarely used it. When I first got up and got moving, I was sore and stiff but not really in pain. Once I was home, the only time I felt pain during the first two weeks was when I sat down or when I stood up. Overall, I was pretty much pain-free. My first night home I slept through the night -- that hadn't happened for a year.

Carol

sandi <vanillarwc@...> wrote:

Thanks....but once the spinal wears off, by that time do they have pain meds in you so you are somewhat comfortable? I know this isn't going to be pain free, no surgery is. Like I said, I haven't been uneasy at all but now I'm beginning to worry some. I kept having visions last night when I was trying to sleep of being aware of what they would be doing during surgery.

My surgeon didn't leave me feeling very confident after yesterdays visit either. It isn't his fault though and he will be fine. His brother just passed away from cancer last week and he just acts like he is in a daze. I talked with the nurse after the appointment and told her he was just so different, and she said he has been a wreck and not his usual self at all but he will be fine, not to worry. So I'm glad I'm not having this done immediately now!

sandiwhite_robin55 <white_robin55@...> wrote:

I had absolutely no pain when I awoke. Once the spinal started wearing off I started feeling some pain. I was apprehensive about the spinal, but I get so sick from the general that I was thinking it had to be easier on me. The spinal was a piece of cake. They numb the area and have you sit and I held a pillow in front of me...then I started feeling woozy and VERY relaxed. When I awoke I saw the doctor bending and testing the knees and didn't feel it. It really isn't bad at all! You'll do fine!! The doctors know what they are doing. Trust the doctors!Cara> > I saw my doctor today and he said it would be a spinal and that I>

> would be awake during the surgery. That scares me a lot. But he > said> > that if I have a spinal, then the pain after surgery won't be as > bad> > because I will have medication in me immediately and won't have to> > wait for something to work. > > > > > > > > > > > >

[Guest guest]

Seriously? Wow, that is just fantastic Carol...what meds did the doctor perscribe for you?

sandiCarol <carolann1312004@...> wrote:

Hi Sandi,

I was given one of those pain pumps as soon as I woke up in the recovery room. I rarely used it. When I first got up and got moving, I was sore and stiff but not really in pain. Once I was home, the only time I felt pain during the first two weeks was when I sat down or when I stood up. Overall, I was pretty much pain-free. My first night home I slept through the night -- that hadn't happened for a year.

Carol

sandi <vanillarwc@...> wrote:

Thanks....but once the spinal wears off, by that time do they have pain meds in you so you are somewhat comfortable? I know this isn't going to be pain free, no surgery is. Like I said, I haven't been uneasy at all but now I'm beginning to worry some. I kept having visions last night when I was trying to sleep of being aware of what they would be doing during surgery.

My surgeon didn't leave me feeling very confident after yesterdays visit either. It isn't his fault though and he will be fine. His brother just passed away from cancer last week and he just acts like he is in a daze. I talked with the nurse after the appointment and told her he was just so different, and she said he has been a wreck and not his usual self at all but he will be fine, not to worry. So I'm glad I'm not having this done immediately now!

sandiwhite_robin55 <white_robin55@...> wrote:

I had absolutely no pain when I awoke. Once the spinal started wearing off I started feeling some pain. I was apprehensive about the spinal, but I get so sick from the general that I was thinking it had to be easier on me. The spinal was a piece of cake. They numb the area and have you sit and I held a pillow in front of me...then I started feeling woozy and VERY relaxed. When I awoke I saw the doctor bending and testing the knees and didn't feel it. It really isn't bad at all! You'll do fine!! The doctors know what they are doing. Trust the doctors!Cara> > I saw my doctor today and he said it would be a spinal and that I>

> would be awake during the surgery. That scares me a lot. But he > said> > that if I have a spinal, then the pain after surgery won't be as > bad> > because I will have medication in me immediately and won't have to> > wait for something to work. > > > > > > > > > > > >

[Guest guest]

Hi Donna,

you can burn lots of calories on the eliptial trainers in most gyms.

On a low resistance setting its a good exercise for us hippies. Then

there is exercise bikes. Upright ones are fine. Both of these are

rather dull compared to step areobics probably! For me swimming or

water aerobics just dont burn the calories but are great exercises

for well being,

Leigh

[Guest guest]

Hi Donna,

Its probably not as exciting (or have as many variations) as step aerobics, but riding an upright bicycle in the 100 rpm range will get your heart rate up. Perhaps you can find a spinning class somewhere in your community. Loud music and companionship might make it more fun.

Caroldonnaatiu <makreyno@...> wrote:

Hello everyone! I've joined recently and enjoy the posts. I had a THRApril 2003. I was born with a congential hip, surgery when I was 1year old. I had no problems until about 5 years ago. I am now 48. Inoticed the discussion about the leg length. My leg is now 7/8 inchlonger. On most of my shoes I have a 1/2 inch on the bottom and a liftinside shoe. The surgeon want to go back in and switch the ball toshorten the leg...I'm still thinking about it. My problem isexercise. I've put a few(15) pounds on since my surgery. For the last15 plus years step aerobics was my excercise. I now walk about 1-4miles most days except during the bad midwest weather. If there issnow or ice forcasted I won't drive to the YMCA.Any suggestions on exercise that will get my heart rate up like step?Good

Luck,Donna

[Guest guest]

Welcome to our support group Steve:

You are in the right place as Pam, Dave, and others replied to my email 3 months ago when I was so confused with my symptoms. I am sure Dr. Grim, our hypertension expert on PA will be giving you all the good suggestions you need to get the right diagnosis and medication for your condition.

Farahallyerbass <allyerbass@...> wrote:

Hello, everyone. After various searches for "primary hyperaldosteronism support" on Google that didn't find anything, I finally tried "Conn's Syndrome support" and wound up here :)My vitals: male, 38, living near Boston, mild/moderate hypertension for the past couple years, but medicated only for about 4 months. After a number of blood and 24-hour urine tests (one of which accidentally omitted aldosterone), and an unremarkable MRI (besides having "horseshoe kidney"), my primary care physician has arrived at a strong suspicion of PA; he had told me "we should do this test just to rule it out" :-)I'll be seeing an endo at Beth-Israel Deaconness in Boston next week, which is a good thing for a few reasons, since I also have certain pheochromocytoma-like episodes that don't seem directly related to aldosterone or

low potassium. Thanks to whoever put up that US News link on good endo hospitals - mine is in the top 15.My BP is normally in the 130's to 150's over 80's and 90's, which is an improvement over what it was 4 months ago, in addition to losing 50 pounds, exercising, and making large-scale changes to my diet (low fat, sodium usually 500-1000mg per day... potassium is tough for me though, so it's usually only 2000 to 3000 per day). Low renin and high aldosterone, but I don't have the numbers. I'm currently taking ACE inhibitors (lisinopril 40mg, max dose) and beta blockers (Toprol 50mg), and based on what I've seen here and elsewhere, I shouldn't be too surprised that they aren't completely getting the job done. I was put on HCTZ 12.5mg, but I felt horrible and only lasted a week - probably too much potassium loss. All those muscle twitches and tingles that I've had in the past few years are

starting to make sense.Having read some of the horror stories from people who had to go years without a suitable diagnosis, I feel lucky to at least have some hints about what's up with me. Glad to see this group!- Steve

[Guest guest]

On Jun 17, 2005, at 11:00 AM, allyerbass wrote:

>

> Low

> renin and high aldosterone, but I don't have the numbers.

Get 'em and post 'em. OK?

> I'm

> currently taking ACE inhibitors (lisinopril 40mg, max dose) and beta

> blockers (Toprol 50mg),

With spironolactone (aldactone) as a 2-week test, my BP dropped from

150-160/90-95 to 120/70 (notice I had no range the second reading?

That's because my docs, including our Dr Grim taught me how to measure

my BP accurately 4 x a day at the same times and average a day, and

week).

Next : the DASH for 2 weeks' test. Then, peeled away Lisinopril and

ameloride, and BP dropped to 115/68 and stayed put.

Any reason your doc hasn't tried aldactone as a test? Your low Na diet

already seems to have affected BP, which is suspicious of

mineralocorticoid dependent HTN. Of course you won't be sure until you

try spiro. Then, watch is plummet (if you have PA). The blood and

24hr urines. low K and scans help as pointers, but this has been

decisive for myself and several others in here.

> and based on what I've seen here and

> elsewhere, I shouldn't be too surprised that they aren't completely

> getting the job done. I was put on HCTZ 12.5mg, but I felt horrible

> and only lasted a week - probably too much potassium loss.

If it's PA, seriously question thiazide & diazide diuretics (potassium

wipeout, arrhythmia) and maybe even ACE's. They harmed me as a

substitute for the correct med (spiro or inspra) and low Na diet, so a

delay of correct treatment. Actually raised my BP and kept me swelling

the left ventricle (LVH).

Most, almost all practitioners do this, and just don't know. This area

has a strong " water cooler " mythology that medicos just uncreitically

accept, and it is flat wrong in cases of PA.

> All those muscle twitches and tingles that I've had in the past few

> years are starting to make sense.

If you look under medline or pubmed, and put in hyperaldosteronism,

mineralocorticoid dependent HTN and PA, you'll find plenty about Dx,

but not much on case management. Get Dr Grim's articles in the files

section and read carefully, and look at references.

>

> Having read some of the horror stories from people who had to go

> years without a suitable diagnosis, I feel lucky to at least have

> some hints about what's up with me. Glad to see this group!

>

> - Steve

Welcome, Steve, Dave

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Steve, welcome to the group. It is not uncommon for tumors smaller than 1cm in size to not be visible on imaging studies. However, tumors less than 1cm can certainly cause you problems. If your BP is high and K is low, it is worth trying the Spiro and DASH challenge. Although it looks like your diet is low in Na, you probably need to bump up your K. Also, DASHing is more than just Na and K, it also puts heavy emphasis on consumption of fresh fruits and vegetables as well as lowfat dairy products. I've been doing it for a few weeks now... although not perfectly (I've got three other Dr. prescribed diets that I'm trying to integrate it with... more on that in another post!). The DASH book is available on Amazon's website.

Glad you're here! You'll get a lot of support and insight from some very experienced individuals here.

greetings

Hello, everyone. After various searches for "primary hyperaldosteronism support" on Google that didn't find anything, I finally tried "Conn's Syndrome support" and wound up here :)My vitals: male, 38, living near Boston, mild/moderate hypertension for the past couple years, but medicated only for about 4 months. After a number of blood and 24-hour urine tests (one of which accidentally omitted aldosterone), and an unremarkable MRI (besides having "horseshoe kidney"), my primary care physician has arrived at a strong suspicion of PA; he had told me "we should do this test just to rule it out" :-)I'll be seeing an endo at Beth-Israel Deaconness in Boston next week, which is a good thing for a few reasons, since I also have certain pheochromocytoma-like episodes that don't seem directly related to aldosterone or low potassium. Thanks to whoever put up that US News link on good endo hospitals - mine is in the top 15.My BP is normally in the 130's to 150's over 80's and 90's, which is an improvement over what it was 4 months ago, in addition to losing 50 pounds, exercising, and making large-scale changes to my diet (low fat, sodium usually 500-1000mg per day... potassium is tough for me though, so it's usually only 2000 to 3000 per day). Low renin and high aldosterone, but I don't have the numbers. I'm currently taking ACE inhibitors (lisinopril 40mg, max dose) and beta blockers (Toprol 50mg), and based on what I've seen here and elsewhere, I shouldn't be too surprised that they aren't completely getting the job done. I was put on HCTZ 12.5mg, but I felt horrible and only lasted a week - probably too much potassium loss. All those muscle twitches and tingles that I've had in the past few years are starting to make sense.Having read some of the horror stories from people who had to go years without a suitable diagnosis, I feel lucky to at least have some hints about what's up with me. Glad to see this group!- Steve

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 6/19/05 2:39:28 PM, leslie@... writes:

Hello, everyone.  After various searches for "primary

hyperaldosteronism support" on Google that didn't find anything, I

finally tried "Conn's Syndrome support" and wound up here

My vitals: male, 38, living near Boston, mild/moderate hypertension

for the past couple years, but medicated only for about 4 months. 

After a number of blood and 24-hour urine tests (one of which

accidentally omitted aldosterone), and an unremarkable MRI (besides

having "horseshoe kidney"), my primary care physician has arrived at

a strong suspicion of PA; he had told me "we should do this test

just to rule it out" :-)

I'll be seeing an endo at Beth-Israel Deaconness in Boston next

week, which is a good thing for a few reasons, since I also have

certain pheochromocytoma-like episodes that don't seem directly

related to aldosterone or low potassium.  Thanks to whoever put up

that US News link on good endo hospitals - mine is in the top 15.

Be sure the Endo you see has lots of experience with PA-not all do. The best in the area is Dr Gordon at Harvard.

My BP is normally in the 130's to 150's over 80's and 90's, which is

an improvement over what it was 4 months ago, in addition to losing

50 pounds, exercising, and making large-scale changes to my diet

(low fat, sodium usually 500-1000mg per day... potassium is tough

for me though, so it's usually only 2000 to 3000 per day).  Low

renin and high aldosterone, but I don't have the numbers.  I'm

currently taking ACE inhibitors (lisinopril 40mg, max dose) and beta

blockers (Toprol 50mg), and based on what I've seen here and

elsewhere, I shouldn't be too surprised that they aren't completely

getting the job done.  I was put on HCTZ 12.5mg, but I felt horrible

and only lasted a week - probably too much potassium loss.  All

those muscle twitches and tingles that I've had in the past few

years are starting to make sense.

Read my aritcle on PA at this site and take it with you to your endo and send to those who have missed the DX so they dont miss any more.

Having read some of the horror stories from people who had to go

years without a suitable diagnosis, I feel lucky to at least have

some hints about what's up with me.  Glad to see this group!

- Steve

May your pressure be low!

Clarence E. Grim, BS (Chem/Math), MS (Biochem), MD, FACP, FACC, FAHS

Clinical Professor of Medicine and Epidemiology

Director, Hypertension Diagnosis and Treatment Center

Board Certified in Internal Medicine, Geriatrics and Hypertension

Published over 220 scientific papers, book chapters and 220 abstracts in the area of high blood pressure epidemiology, physiology, endocrinology measurement, treatment and how to detect curable causes.

Listed in Best Doctors in America

Specializing in Difficult to Control High Blood Pressure and the History and Physiology of High Blood pressure in the African Diaspora

[Guest guest]

Thanks for the welcomes, everyone!

> > Low

> > renin and high aldosterone, but I don't have the numbers.

>

> Get 'em and post 'em. OK?

I will! My endo appointment is later this week.

By the way, if you need some assistance in tracking stats for this

group, I'm a professional computer geek who loves to muck with data,

so I could help out a bit.

> Any reason your doc hasn't tried aldactone as a test?

He's a general practitioner, but I don't think he's knowingly seen

many PA patients before. I assume that he referred me to a

specialist once he got enough evidence to indicate where to send me.

> Your low Na diet

> already seems to have affected BP,

Unfortunately, I notice this most often when I " cheat " and have a

lot of sodium! ;-)

> If it's PA, seriously question thiazide & diazide diuretics

(potassium

> wipeout, arrhythmia) and maybe even ACE's. They harmed me as a

> substitute for the correct med (spiro or inspra) and low Na diet,

so a

> delay of correct treatment. Actually raised my BP and kept me

swelling

> the left ventricle (LVH).

One of my emergency room visits showed LVH, alas...

> Most, almost all practitioners do this, and just don't know. This

area

> has a strong " water cooler " mythology that medicos just

uncreitically

> accept, and it is flat wrong in cases of PA.

I feel quite fortunate that while my general practitioner doesn't

know everything, he seems open-minded and did a pretty good job of

narrowing things down over the course of a few months. That said,

I'll be sure to pass on Dr. Grim's PA article.

- Steve

[Guest guest]

Steve, I've also offered to assist with data collection but have not had any spare time. If you've got the time and the skills, we could certainly take advantage of them. Optimally, we'd like to have a secured DB app with a web interface that only members of this group can access to enter their data. I know we need it and thats why I've wanted to help out, but I'm over committed right now.

Re: greetings

Thanks for the welcomes, everyone!> > Low> > renin and high aldosterone, but I don't have the numbers.> > Get 'em and post 'em. OK?I will! My endo appointment is later this week.By the way, if you need some assistance in tracking stats for this group, I'm a professional computer geek who loves to muck with data, so I could help out a bit.> Any reason your doc hasn't tried aldactone as a test?He's a general practitioner, but I don't think he's knowingly seen many PA patients before. I assume that he referred me to a specialist once he got enough evidence to indicate where to send me.> Your low Na diet > already seems to have affected BP, Unfortunately, I notice this most often when I "cheat" and have a lot of sodium! ;-)> If it's PA, seriously question thiazide & diazide diuretics (potassium > wipeout, arrhythmia) and maybe even ACE's. They harmed me as a > substitute for the correct med (spiro or inspra) and low Na diet, so a > delay of correct treatment. Actually raised my BP and kept me swelling > the left ventricle (LVH).One of my emergency room visits showed LVH, alas...> Most, almost all practitioners do this, and just don't know. This area > has a strong "water cooler" mythology that medicos just uncreitically > accept, and it is flat wrong in cases of PA.I feel quite fortunate that while my general practitioner doesn't know everything, he seems open-minded and did a pretty good job of narrowing things down over the course of a few months. That said, I'll be sure to pass on Dr. Grim's PA article.- Steve

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 6/20/05 4:37:13 PM, leslie@... writes:

I feel quite fortunate that while my general practitioner doesn't

know everything, he seems open-minded and did a pretty good job of

narrowing things down over the course of a few months.  That said,

I'll be sure to pass on Dr. Grim's PA article.

- Steve

I can assue you that anyone who sees pts with HTN has seen a number of cases of PA. They may not have recognized them but they "saw" them.

May your pressure be low!

Clarence E. Grim, BS (Chem/Math), MS (Biochem), MD, FACP, FACC, FAHS

Clinical Professor of Medicine and Epidemiology

Director, Hypertension Diagnosis and Treatment Center

Board Certified in Internal Medicine, Geriatrics and Hypertension

Published over 220 scientific papers, book chapters and 220 abstracts in the area of high blood pressure epidemiology, physiology, endocrinology measurement, treatment and how to detect curable causes.

Listed in Best Doctors in America

Specializing in Difficult to Control High Blood Pressure and the History and Physiology of High Blood pressure in the African Diaspora

[Guest guest]

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Make your son some honey oatmeal soap, pure and natural with no added

fragrance . That will help also..

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Greetings

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Welcome Craig,

D.

Craig <omegafisher@...> wrote:

Hi I am reasonably new to the group, so thought I would introduce

myself.

I am Craig, and I live in New Zealand. I have a son who when younger

had significant trouble with eczma, and it has been very difficult to

manage until we worked out that it was contact with certain chemicals

and fragrances that created the allergic reaction.

That was one of the health issues that has led to my exploration of

other ways of addressing health, wellness and personal grooming and

the eventual decision to take on business opportunities in this area -

ie to invest in what I see as important.

Anyway, Hi!

Craig

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Hi Craig, I agree about the Honey Oatmeal soap. YOu can also let

him soak in Dead Sea Salts - they are very healing. I have a little

boy that I make a balm for that has Atopic Dermatitis, one of the

worst forms of eczema. I make a balm out of Unrefined Shea Butter,

and some different oils, if you are interested.

> Hi Craig,

> Sorry to hear about your son's eczema, it is torment!

> I had this into adulthood until I discovered that iron in water

will eat my

> skin up. ( Bleach or chlorine in water doesn't do me much good

either)

> We installed a water softener and filter and now my skin is

perfect!

>

> Make your son some honey oatmeal soap, pure and natural with no

added

> fragrance . That will help also..

>

> Lucinda

> Glenbrook Farms Herbs and Such

> www.glenbrookfarm.com/herbs

>

>

>

> Greetings

>

> Hi I am reasonably new to the group, so thought I would introduce

> myself.

>

> I am Craig, and I live in New Zealand. I have a son who when

younger

> had significant trouble with eczma, and it has been very difficult

to

> manage until we worked out that it was contact with certain

chemicals

> and fragrances that created the allergic reaction.

>

> That was one of the health issues that has led to my exploration

of

> other ways of addressing health, wellness and personal grooming

and

> the eventual decision to take on business opportunities in this

area -

> ie to invest in what I see as important.

>

> Anyway, Hi!

>

> Craig

> www.bathbodybeauty.com

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> FREE Dead Sea Salt with your Essential Oil purchase! See Site for

details

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[Guest guest]

Yeah, I suggest maybe finding a honey oatmeal type of soap. I'd check a bath

and body place but there's probably recipies for it. What I use is Avon

products because that's what I sell. I had an acne problem when I was a teen

and clearsil wasn't working. My skin is back to normal now (well except the

scars).AIM name: vampyressjessikawww.picturetrail.com user name x_

[Guest guest]

Hello Craig,

Welcome to the group!!

Shere'

www.nature-zone.com

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From: [mailto: ]On

Behalf Of Craig

Hi I am reasonably new to the group, so thought I would introduce

myself.

Craig

www.bathbodybeauty.com

[Guest guest]

That's so kind. Thanks

Craig

http://www.bathbodybeauty.com

> Hi Craig,

> Sorry to hear about your son's eczema, it is torment!

> I had this into adulthood until I discovered that iron in water

will eat my

> skin up. ( Bleach or chlorine in water doesn't do me much good

either)

> We installed a water softener and filter and now my skin is

perfect!

>

> Make your son some honey oatmeal soap, pure and natural with no

added

> fragrance . That will help also..

>

> Lucinda

> Glenbrook Farms Herbs and Such

> www.glenbrookfarm.com/herbs

>

>

>

> Greetings

>

> Hi I am reasonably new to the group, so thought I would introduce

> myself.

>

> I am Craig, and I live in New Zealand. I have a son who when

younger

> had significant trouble with eczma, and it has been very difficult

to

> manage until we worked out that it was contact with certain

chemicals

> and fragrances that created the allergic reaction.

>

> That was one of the health issues that has led to my exploration of

> other ways of addressing health, wellness and personal grooming and

> the eventual decision to take on business opportunities in this

area -

> ie to invest in what I see as important.

>

> Anyway, Hi!

>

> Craig

> www.bathbodybeauty.com

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> FREE Dead Sea Salt with your Essential Oil purchase! See Site for

details

> http://www.glenbrookfarm.com/store/essent_1.html

> Don't miss the weekly specials!

> http://glenbrookfarm.com/store/specialsseeds_1.html

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>

>

>

[Guest guest]

You also are so kind. Thank you.

Craig

http://www.bathbodybeauty.com

> > Hi Craig,

> > Sorry to hear about your son's eczema, it is torment!

> > I had this into adulthood until I discovered that iron in water

> will eat my

> > skin up. ( Bleach or chlorine in water doesn't do me much good

> either)

> > We installed a water softener and filter and now my skin is

> perfect!

> >

> > Make your son some honey oatmeal soap, pure and natural with no

> added

> > fragrance . That will help also..

> >

> > Lucinda

> > Glenbrook Farms Herbs and Such

> > www.glenbrookfarm.com/herbs

> >

> >

> >

> > Greetings

> >

> > Hi I am reasonably new to the group, so thought I would introduce

> > myself.

> >

> > I am Craig, and I live in New Zealand. I have a son who when

> younger

> > had significant trouble with eczma, and it has been very

difficult

> to

> > manage until we worked out that it was contact with certain

> chemicals

> > and fragrances that created the allergic reaction.

> >

> > That was one of the health issues that has led to my exploration

> of

> > other ways of addressing health, wellness and personal grooming

> and

> > the eventual decision to take on business opportunities in this

> area -

> > ie to invest in what I see as important.

> >

> > Anyway, Hi!

> >

> > Craig

> > www.bathbodybeauty.com

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > FREE Dead Sea Salt with your Essential Oil purchase! See Site for

> details

> > http://www.glenbrookfarm.com/store/essent_1.html

> > Don't miss the weekly specials!

> > http://glenbrookfarm.com/store/specialsseeds_1.html

> > To unsub send an e-mail to :

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> >

> >

> >