whey protein

[Guest guest]

I've been using Biopure undenatured whey protein from Metagenics. Its $27

for 600 grams which is a better price than Immunocal or Imuplus. Its also

in bulk not packets but my doctor thinks this is ok. If I couldnt get that,

I might try the whey from the Life extension foundation. I'm going to get 2

months worth of imuplus from a group order at a lower price than usual to

compare if it makes any difference for me.

From what I've heard and read on web sites, I think the cold processed

undenatured whey is the best kind. The " pre-digested ion exchange " is iffy.

Personally, I wouldnt use one with cocoa and sucrose. Let us know if it

helps you.

I think the biopure is helping me, but I had to cut back from 4 scoops to 2

a day because I was getting intestinal symptoms. Don't know if it was detox

reaction or allergy. I know I do have dairy allergy, but the whey product

has the milk fat and lactose removed.

Beverly

Whey protein

>From: MCamp10139@...

>

>I just got some whey protein from the health food store by ISS Research.

>It is 99% undenatured pure whey protein (from the label). Does anyone know

>why we shouldn't just take this instead of ordering Imuplus/Immunocal if we

>aren't in a study? The ingredients are 1) non-denatured high quality whey

>protein

>concentrate, 2) pre-digested ion exchanged whey protein hydrolysate,

>3)de-fatted

>cocoa powder, and 4)sucralose. Also, at one scoop (22 grams), how many

>packets

>would 22 grams equal (or fraction thereof)? This product was $28 for 1000

>grams.

>

>Mike

>

>>This list is intended for patients to share personal experiences with each

other, not to give medical advice. If you are interested in any treatment

discussed here, please consult your doctor.

>

>

[Guest guest]

>Maybe the question should be, " Does anyone know why we should take it [iSS

Research whey protein]? " Do you know if ISS Research has done any studies?<

Sue,

Let me rephrase the question. Is there a difference between undenatured whey

proteins other than some are more expensive than others? Is there 'more

undenatured' or is ISS just like a generic form of Imuplus? Simple question.

THe answer is either yes, no or I don't know.

Mike

[Guest guest]

At 06:36 PM 12/2/99 EST, you wrote:

>From: MCamp10139@...

>

>>Maybe the question should be, " Does anyone know why we should take it [iSS

>Research whey protein]? " Do you know if ISS Research has done any studies?<

>

>Sue,

>

>Let me rephrase the question. Is there a difference between undenatured whey

>proteins other than some are more expensive than others? Is there 'more

>undenatured' or is ISS just like a generic form of Imuplus? Simple

question.

>THe answer is either yes, no or I don't know.

>

>Mike, Yes there is a big difference.

>

>>This list is intended for patients to share personal experiences with each

other, not to give medical advice. If you are interested in any treatment

discussed here, please consult your doctor.

>

>

[Guest guest]

Beverly -

Thank you so much for providing this information on whey products, glutathione

and eye diseases.

Havnt had a chance to absorb but have printed off and see it will be very useful

[Guest guest]

At 08:06 PM 12/17/99 -0600, you wrote:

> I was surfing and I found an article on whey protein and glutathione

>at the web site for the Cleveland Eye Clinic.

>http://members.toast.net/cec/nutrition/whey.html Its got a lot of stuff

>on the biochemistry of glutathione and the eye as well as info about how

>the cheaper brands of whey are manufactured.

Hi,

You are a great surfer! Do you have a favorite search engine to recommend?

This is a fantastic article and it is going to my LLMD, Neuro-ophtmalogist,

and RHEUM. I hope CC will accept this information and pass it to their

Rheumatology / Infectious Disease department - where I was told this summer

to exercise and get therapy, and that infection had nothing to do with CFIDS!

Thanks,

Christie

[Guest guest]

Butch,

If you would like information on a doctor in Mexico, where I took my son when

he had terminal brain cancer, just let me know and I can give you some

encouragement and insight on what this doctor has done. By the way, my son is

tumor free for 7 years now and leads a VERY productive life....God bless you

and your family.

Virginia

[Guest guest]

Butch

I went and checked out the site you recomended and I don't believe that

they are wrong about what they speak. We recently had a discusion on

this group about this. I can only speak for my knowledge of Immunocal.

The only part of the dairy that is used is the whey. It is manufactured

in a dairy lab and monitored at all times. The dairies belong to a

co-op and if they are useing Growth Bovine Hormone on their cows, the

cows will get mastitis and if they get this the only way to treat it is

with antibiotics. All milk is tested for this and if a farmer gets

caught the deal is, all the milk gets dumped and he has to pay the

other farmers in the co-op for their milk that day. As well as he gets

kicked out of the co-op. Immunocal is a protein full of amino acids

most important being cystine. It has had all the lactose, sugars and

carbohydrates removed. It has numerous articles on the Med Line about

it raising glutathione and glutathione being now able to give your

cells the ability to fight or prevent cancer. This is not Mansono's

product nor does he have control on the paticular herds that Immunocal

is produced from. But yes as far as dairy products go, I must agree man

has destroyed possibly something that at one time had great benefit to

man. Call me naieve but I have enough confidence in the research,

patents and people involved in making Immunocal to not worry about

this. It has never been known or shown that Immunocal feeds cancer only

the oposite of that is in the research. That is why I take Immunocal

the proof is there in all area's, it is what gives glutathione its

building blocks, so my cells don't go wonky but have the nurishment to

be strong and fight for me against what ever invaders I face.

Debbie

daniell-@... wrote:

original article:cures for cancer/?start=4738

> Dear Various Members, I am a member of Life Extention and have used

> their whey products. My wife has recurrent breast cancer. Recently I

> looked at a web site about milk and milk products that indicated that

> dairy products promote cancer growth because they contain the same

> (exact match to humans) growth hormone that women produce when a baby

> is concieved. This hormone promoted rapid cell growth and is called

> IGH-I. Please look at the site and give me some feedback.

> Sincerely, Butch Culp

>

[Guest guest]

It would be great if you could provide this info to the whole group. This is

the kind of info many of us are looking for.

melinda

Re: Whey protein

>Butch,

>If you would like information on a doctor in Mexico, where I took my son

when

>he had terminal brain cancer, just let me know and I can give you some

>encouragement and insight on what this doctor has done. By the way, my son

is

>tumor free for 7 years now and leads a VERY productive life....God bless

you

>and your family.

>

>Virginia

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[Guest guest]

Hi Luke,

You wrote:

>I used to get terrible hives and rashes all the time. Detox baths

>have saved me untold suffering....The basic recipe is to put two

>heaping handfulls of Epsom Salt and.....

I was taking hot baths with Epsom Salts and essential oils. Then

one doctor I saw recommended I stop using the Epsom Salts, as

it dried the skin - and start moisturizing the skin instead. I've tried

this, using moisturizing bath salts instead of the Epsom Salts.

While my skin has not gotten any better, at least the itching has

died down.

>....two heaping handfulls of Sea Salt in a tub of water as hot as

>you can stand and lay in it for 20-30 minutes. Drink a big mug

>of hot tea during the bath and plenty of water before and after.

>

>You can fine tune the process by adding either a handfull of baking

>soda or 8-16 oz of cider vinegar. Baking soda works best for me, but

>I think it depends on what your body is trying to eliminate whether

>an acidic or base environment works better.

I will look into trying some of these things. Thank you.

Bob

[Guest guest]

> Hello,

>

>

> The one thing I've had a problem with ever since I started the whey

protein

> is with my skin. I have rashes and itching over much of my body.

It seems

> like a detox reaction to me, although I haven't met any medical

doctor who

> agrees with me on this. If anyone has any ideas that might help me

with my

> skin problems, I'd sure appreciate hearing about them.

>

> Bob

Hi Bob,

Thanks for your comments. Long term perspective on Whey is in short

supply around here.

Trust the MD's not to know that the skin is the body's organ of last

resort for removing toxins. When my candida was raging out of

control I used to get terrible hives and rashes all the time. Detox

baths have saved me untold suffering.

The basic recipe is to put two heaping handfulls of Epsom Salt and

two heaping handfulls of Sea Salt in a tub of water as hot as you can

stand and lay in it for 20-30 minutes. Drink a big mug of hot tea

during the bath and plenty of water before and after.

You can fine tune the process by adding either a handfull of baking

soda or 8-16 oz of cider vinegar. Baking soda works best for me, but

I think it depends on what your body is trying to eliminate whether

an acidic or base environment works better.

Welcome aboard,

Luke

[Guest guest]

Bob,

About your itching and rashes, could it be you are still allergic to

something in the whey products you are using? They make me itch, too, but

I've always itched and gotten rashes from daily dairy. Maybe you have the

same problem? Is it possible your NAET treatments haven't completely cleared

you on this? You could try taking in the Immunopro itself to clear with

NAET. I'm in the process of doing this myself--I'm a skeptical believer in

NAET.

I hope you find some relief one way or another. Itching can be miserable.

in North Carolina

Date: Mon, 1 May 2000 23:19:02 -0400

From: " Bob Paugh " <bpaugh@...>

Subject: Whey Protein

Hello,

I'm new to this list. I see a lot of people are talking about the effects

of taking the whey protein, so I thought I would share my experiences

for what they are worth.

SNIPPED

The one thing I've had a problem with ever since I started the whey protein

is with my skin. I have rashes and itching over much of my body. It seems

like a detox reaction to me, although I haven't met any medical doctor who

agrees with me on this. If anyone has any ideas that might help me with my

skin problems, I'd sure appreciate hearing about them.

Bob

[Guest guest]

Hi everyone!

I have started taking whey protein (finally!) but the only kind we have here

imported to Israel is HMS90 of the Immunocal firm. I read their website and

it sounds good but as I keep hearing about Immunopro (which we can't get

directly) I wanted to know if the Immunocal stuff is good - from experience

and hearsay. By the way, I dont know prices in Canada and America but here

30 days worth of pouches costs about a hundred dollars! Not cheap.

Take care and thanks in advance for a reply

Judy B.

[Guest guest]

Thanks so much , meanwhile I will keep on with the HMS90 and see about

import taxes for immunopro, it may work out to cost the same in the long

run..

Judy B.

Re: whey protein

>

>

> >

> > Hi everyone!

> > I have started taking whey protein (finally!) but the only kind we have

> here

> > imported to Israel is HMS90 of the Immunocal firm. I read their website

> and

> > it sounds good but as I keep hearing about Immunopro (which we can't get

> > directly) I wanted to know if the Immunocal stuff is good - from

> experience

> > and hearsay. By the way, I dont know prices in Canada and America but

here

> > 30 days worth of pouches costs about a hundred dollars! Not cheap.

> > Take care and thanks in advance for a reply

> > Judy B.

> >

> >

> >

> > This list is intended for patients to share personal experiences with

each

> other, not to give medical advice. If you are interested in any treatment

> discussed here, please consult your doctor.

> >

>

>

>

> This list is intended for patients to share personal experiences with each

other, not to give medical advice. If you are interested in any treatment

discussed here, please consult your doctor.

>

>

[Guest guest]

Could someone pls repost the special purchase info for Immunocal?

I am about out of IPro so it would be a good time to see if Cal

works better for me too. This brings up another question. I have

been on Pro for 10 months now. Do we take it forever or have I

received all the benefit that I am going to get from it? When I

miss a day or two, I don't feel any worse.

Mike

> Hi All,

> I switched from Immunopro to Immunocal because of other CFS

patients telling me how much better Immunocal is for them. I do find

it working so much better and they are right.

> Another reason I decided to try it is because of a special

purchase program for $40 a box, 2 box minimum order( purchase details

were posted recently & a few weeks ago).

> I can only take whey proteins 2 hours before bedtime because it

makes me extremely sleepy. So now I also save money by not having to

buy any sleep inducers.

>

> Al

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Could you be more specific about the cal v.s. pro benefits?

E.        

<<<I switched from Immunopro to Immunocal because of other CFS patients

telling me how much better Immunocal is for them. I do find it working

so much better and they are right.

[Guest guest]

Hi Steve,

Immunocal appears stronger ounce per ounce. Both products are formulated

differently. At $40 a box, I feel it gives me the most benefit- " The most

bang for the buck " . I going to drop other experimental supplements I use in

favor of Immunocal.

Al

Re: Whey Protein

> Could you be more specific about the cal v.s. pro benefits?

> E.

>

> <<<I switched from Immunopro to Immunocal because of other CFS patients

> telling me how much better Immunocal is for them. I do find it working

> so much better and they are right.

>

[Guest guest]

> Hi Steve,

> Immunocal appears stronger ounce per ounce. Both products are

formulated

> differently. At $40 a box, I feel it gives me the most benefit-

" The most

> bang for the buck " . I going to drop other experimental supplements

I use in

> favor of Immunocal.

> Al

>

I take an isolate whey similar to Immunocal. Not a cure, but have

felt much, much better.

I considered dropping other sup's and drugs several weeks ago. If,

per supposition, whey is helping intracellular glutathione depletion,

and if (big if) as a result of this the th1 th2 immune response,

lymphocytes, cells of HPA axis, etc, are becoming healthier and more

robust, then why not try giving the body a chance to see what it can

do on its own (but with the whey)?

Additionally, if the body also uses glutathione as a general

detoxifier, then I have wondered if it might not be utilized (and

therefore depleted) in removing possible toxic side effects of drugs

or sups.

Just some thoughts,

Luke

[Guest guest]

IS ANYONE DOING THE LEMON OLIVE OIL DRINK FROM THE BOOK HOW tO REVERSE iMMUNE

DYSFUNCTION? ALSO, ANYONE USINGButylatedHydroxytoluene?

a

_________________________________________________________________

" Do me a favor, doc, tell me something good. " - Blair - The Exorcist

[Guest guest]

I do lemon and olive oil when I'm herxing and it seems to help. I don't

bother with organic lemons though. Like I want to be looking for organic

lemons when I feel like crap. So I use lemon juice concentrate in a

bottle. Seems to work fine.

Apple cider vinegar too.

Was also drinking a lot of purple grape juice which was supposed to help,

but just found out I am allergic.

Cindi

StarDantzer@...

01/22/01 01:48 PM

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IS ANYONE DOING THE LEMON OLIVE OIL DRINK FROM THE BOOK HOW tO REVERSE

iMMUNE

DYSFUNCTION? ALSO, ANYONE USINGButylatedHydroxytoluene?

a

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" Do me a favor, doc, tell me something good. " - Blair - The

Exorcist

[Guest guest]

Hi Al,

Glad to hear Immunocal is working better for you vs the immunepro.

Have you ever tried the Imuplus? Just curious. It seems to be very

similar to Immunocal. I've tried all three and am currently using

the Imuplus simply because its effective and cheaper than the 'cal.

But honestly I was only on the Immunocal for a month. I didn't like

the Immunepro-it for me just didn't work like the others. Plus its

supposed to come from continental Europe where they are having BSE

problems.

> Hi Steve,

> Immunocal appears stronger ounce per ounce. Both products are

formulated

> differently. At $40 a box, I feel it gives me the most benefit-

" The most

> bang for the buck " . I going to drop other experimental supplements

I use in

> favor of Immunocal.

> Al

>

> Re: Whey Protein

>

>

> > Could you be more specific about the cal v.s. pro benefits?

> > E.

> >

> > <<<I switched from Immunopro to Immunocal because of other CFS

patients

> > telling me how much better Immunocal is for them. I do find it

working

> > so much better and they are right.

> >

[Guest guest]

Hi Jonathon,

I pay $40 for a box of Immunocal. You say Immuplus is less ! How much

less? I never tired Immuplus.

I hear Integris is supposed to be making one stronger than Immunocal but we

will see.

Al

Re: Whey Protein

> Hi Al,

>

> Glad to hear Immunocal is working better for you vs the immunepro.

> Have you ever tried the Imuplus? Just curious. It seems to be very

> similar to Immunocal. I've tried all three and am currently using

> the Imuplus simply because its effective and cheaper than the 'cal.

> But honestly I was only on the Immunocal for a month. I didn't like

> the Immunepro-it for me just didn't work like the others. Plus its

> supposed to come from continental Europe where they are having BSE

> problems.

>

>

> > > Al

> >

[Guest guest]

Al,

I buy Imuplus from immunesupport.com. It has 60 packets of whey per

box vs the 30 in Immunocal. I pay $53.59 for one box of 60 packets

with their discount shopper program. I hope someone else does come

out with another competitive whey. More competition usually means

lower their prices. Do you know what their product will be called

and when it will be available?

> Hi Jonathon,

> I pay $40 for a box of Immunocal. You say Immuplus is less !

How much

> less? I never tired Immuplus.

> I hear Integris is supposed to be making one stronger than

Immunocal but we

> will see.

> Al

> Re: Whey Protein

>

>

> > Hi Al,

> >

> > Glad to hear Immunocal is working better for you vs the immunepro.

> > Have you ever tried the Imuplus? Just curious. It seems to be

very

> > similar to Immunocal. I've tried all three and am currently using

> > the Imuplus simply because its effective and cheaper than

the 'cal.

> > But honestly I was only on the Immunocal for a month. I didn't

like

> > the Immunepro-it for me just didn't work like the others. Plus

its

> > supposed to come from continental Europe where they are having BSE

> > problems.

> >

> >

> > > > Al

> > >

[Guest guest]

Hi Jonathon,

I hear that the Integris whey will be available soon but price may not

be that attractive. But it appears you may be getting the best buy if

Immuplus really works as well as immunocal.

Al

Re: Whey Protein

> Al,

>

> I buy Imuplus from immunesupport.com. It has 60 packets of whey per

> box vs the 30 in Immunocal. I pay $53.59 for one box of 60 packets

> with their discount shopper program. I hope someone else does come

> out with another competitive whey. More competition usually means

> lower their prices. Do you know what their product will be called

> and when it will be available?

>

[Guest guest]

I am surprised you only pay $40 for Immunocal. Last I looked it was

almost $100. Is the $40 for 60 packs? Maybe you can get it through a

drug store and it is cheaper. I heard some states carry it in stores,

such as WalMart. California does not however, so it was only available

MLM.

Cindi

" Al Melillo " <melillo3@...>

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Hi Jonathon,

I pay $40 for a box of Immunocal. You say Immuplus is less ! How much

less? I never tired Immuplus.

I hear Integris is supposed to be making one stronger than Immunocal but

we

will see.

Al

[Guest guest]

Hi Cindi,

The $40 price is a special purchase program for patients who have no

insurance coverage for Immunocal. It's available at Green Bros. Pharmacy in

Stockton ,CA . Check past archive for phone # or try information.

Al

Re: Re: Whey Protein

> I am surprised you only pay $40 for Immunocal. Last I looked it was

> almost $100. Is the $40 for 60 packs? Maybe you can get it through a

> drug store and it is cheaper. I heard some states carry it in stores,

> such as WalMart. California does not however, so it was only available

> MLM.

>

> Cindi

>

>

>

>