whey protein

November 8, 2007

In organic chemistry, the naming of carbohydrates have a suffix of ose. Some

oses, like cellulose are dietary fibers, not digested as sugar inside the body.

Tony

Grammy D <grammyDx2@...> wrote: Hi Amy,

This means any ingredient that ends with the letters " ose " - glucose, fructose,

dextrose and forget the rest, but if it ends in ose, it is a form of sugar.

It's a good thing to read all labels. It is hidden in many processed foods.

in OH

>>>i was wondering what is oses .because i am diabetic.and i was

wondering why does the vco raise my blood sugars. but is it really

good for us diabetics.

amy

November 8, 2007

From what I have read, fructose goes into the cells without the

need of insulin to transport it in (no URLs handy). When a cell has

sufficient glucose or fructose in it for energy needs, it becomes

resistant to insulin treansport of glucose.

On the extreme end, High fructose corn syrup has been linked

with causing diabetes. Fruit is safer for non diabetics because the

fiber in the fruit slows down the fructose from getting into the blood

all at once.

Our ancestors had fruit which was far less sweet than what

people eat today, and it was available only for short periods each

year, rather than 12 months a day from the supermarket. So we did not

get the superabundance of sweet fruit most people take for granted

these days.

I once knew a guy, many years ago, who obtained an apple seed

from a specially bred strain of apple. Our ancestors tended to

save seeds from the sweetest fruit trees for planting. So each

generation of tree produced sweeter fruit. This seed had been

selected to try to roll back the clock to breed an apple tree like the

colonists grew in America 300 years ago. I was given one of the

apples. It was very hard and difficult to chew. Very fiberous.

Not really very yummy to eat. I was told the tree had far less

problem from birds and bugs than the other apple trees he owned. So

it would seem that the older varieties had less problems with pests

than the modern fruit trees.

Alobar

On 11/8/07, AGPacific Nutriceutical <agnutriceutical@...> wrote:

> Alobar, this info is interesting, because we are eating much fructose from

fruits. Fructose is fruit sugar. Why and how does fructose makes one's cells

more insulin-resistant? Thanks.

>

> Tony

November 8, 2007

Oops, it never occurred to me. I'm sorry for the misinformation.

>>>In organic chemistry, the naming of carbohydrates have a suffix of ose. Some

oses, like cellulose are dietary fibers, not digested as sugar inside the body.

December 27, 2008

Hi, deb - yes, that is true, from what i have read.

Coffee and caffeine are gastric irritants, and best voided. but 1-2

cups a day are probably of as long as there is no burning or stoma

problems.

52 gm of protein in 2 scoops is way too much for the kidneys to handle

at once. They are already working very hard wih our obesitym ad trying

to excrete the broen down fat - and even harder if we are diabetic. I

sure would never dump this much proten in at once.

women only need 50-60 gm a day, and it should be spread out throught

the day's meals an intake. We don't need supplements at all. We should

be getting our protein frim good band foods - since we'll need to be

doing that for the rest of our lives.

That protein is fine during the liquid phases, but once we ae back onto

soft foods and beyind, protein shales are exactly he type o liquid

caloris we need to AVOID. This is a bsic band rule - no soft foods or

liquid caloies work with the band. only solid protein does, so we must

eat the solid prorein rather than drinking liqudis.

Red meat, turkey, fish, etc is high in iron, asom and the protein

drinks have none at all.

I strongly recommend the Bariatric Advantage Vits-Band Vitamins made

for bandsters. the chewable vit comes in watermelon and lemon. The

chewable calcium CITRATE we need (not the carbonate in the cheap ones

lik viactiv) comes in cherry and mint (yum) and both have MG already,

in the quanity we need.

I take the 2 Vita Band vits (am and pm) , 2 calciumam and pm) and a B-

50 t noon. We also need omega 3 oils - and the Baritatric Advantage has

an excellent ormega 3/6 oil pudding with NO fish tatse - a daily packet

is the size of a ketchup packet, and he orange is great.

i get mine online from this lady, who has a good discount (but do check

around for any better prices, to be sure)

www.MyBariatricSuccess.com

for more info on all of this , please check the files for these

documents:

- " the Band Guide " - general info re food choices, nutrition, med afety

- " Vitamins " - the new bandster vitamin needs

- " Why Avoid Liquid Calories? "

- " protein foods'

- " Foods and fluids for the first month "

Hope this all is helpful!

Sandy r

>

> I read somewhere that adding whey protein powder to hot liquids

> destroys the protein. Is this true? I like to add a scoopful to my

> coffee in the mornings. Am I wasting protein doing this? Someone

gave

> me a huge container of Body Fortress Super Advanced Whey Protein

mix.

> It has 52 grams protein in 2 scoops. Is this a good type of protein

> for bandsters in liquid/mushy phase? The vanilla flavor tastes

awesome

> with a bit of orange juice, some water and a few ice cubes blended in

a

> Magic Bullet. Also, does anyone know of a liquid or chewable source

of

> calcium, magnesium, vitamin D? I can't take those huge tablets.

Thanks.

>

February 9, 2009

Price was the reason I tried the NOW protein isolate, but I literally

hated it and got so I took hardly any whey because of that. I've gone

back to Jarrow as I like it and willingly drink it, whereas with the

NOW, it nearly gagged me.

I don't know why I found it so nasty, many people here, such as Alobar,

like the NOW brand whey.

sol

ARC wrote:

> I have been using Jarrow Unflavored protein powder and like it. I want to

> buy something more economical with the some benefits. Has anybody used

> NOW Protein Isolate and know how it compares to the Jarrow brand? I found

> this price for the NOW brand.

February 9, 2009

I have never used any brand other than NOW, so I can't compare NOW with Jarrow.

I get my NOW whey protein isolate from

http://www.vitaglo.com/2149.html

Same price as the site you posted, but Vitaglo has free shipping in US

on orders over $50.

Alobar

On Mon, Feb 9, 2009 at 5:42 PM, ARC <calblonde1@...> wrote:

> I have been using Jarrow Unflavored protein powder and like it. I want to

> buy something more economical with the some benefits. Has anybody used

> NOW Protein Isolate and know how it compares to the Jarrow brand? I found

> this price for the NOW brand. Is there anything more economical? And does

> anybody have experience with this site?

>

http://www.allstarhealth.com/f/now-100_percent_pure_whey_protein_isolate_natural\

..htm

>

> Pamela

>

February 9, 2009

I much prefer NOW vanilla whey, but that is too many carbs for me. So

I blend unflavored with vanilla. I also use far less water, so the

whey has a milk-like smoothness. Recently I have begun to add inulin

powder and using my blender stick to make the whey more like a

milkshake. Now it tastes even better.

Alobar

On Mon, Feb 9, 2009 at 5:57 PM, sol <solbun@...> wrote:

> Price was the reason I tried the NOW protein isolate, but I literally

> hated it and got so I took hardly any whey because of that. I've gone

> back to Jarrow as I like it and willingly drink it, whereas with the

> NOW, it nearly gagged me.

> I don't know why I found it so nasty, many people here, such as Alobar,

> like the NOW brand whey.

> sol

>

February 9, 2009

Do you use the Jarrow and NOW unflavored? I don't mind the savory taste of

protein and prefer not to have powders with sweeteners.

> I have been using Jarrow Unflavored protein powder and like it. I want to

> buy something more economical with the some benefits. Has anybody used

> NOW Protein Isolate and know how it compares to the Jarrow brand? I found

> this price for the NOW brand.

February 9, 2009

That's a good deal. Do you use the unflavored? I am unable to access the

unflavored NOW protein. I see the chocolate flavored has fructose which I

avoid.

> I have been using Jarrow Unflavored protein powder and like it. I want to

> buy something more economical with the some benefits. Has anybody used

> NOW Protein Isolate and know how it compares to the Jarrow brand? I found

> this price for the NOW brand. Is there anything more economical? And does

> anybody have experience with this site?

>

> http://www.allstarh ealth.com/ f/now-100_ percent_pure_ whey_protein_

isolate_natural. htm

>

> Pamela

>

February 9, 2009

Why don't you just use the unflavored? Is it that bad?

From: Alobar <Alobar@...>

Subject: Re: Whey Protein

Coconut Oil

Date: Monday, February 9, 2009, 4:02 PM

I much prefer NOW vanilla whey, but that is too many carbs for me.

So

I blend unflavored with vanilla. I also use far less water, so the

whey has a milk-like smoothness. Recently I have begun to add inulin

powder and using my blender stick to make the whey more like a

milkshake. Now it tastes even better.

Alobar

February 9, 2009

This is whey off topic .... sorry could not resist

From: ARC

Sent: Monday, February 09, 2009 7:30 PM

Coconut Oil

Subject: Re: Whey Protein

Why don't you just use the unflavored? Is it that bad?

From: Alobar <Alobar@...>

Subject: Re: Whey Protein

Coconut Oil

Date: Monday, February 9, 2009, 4:02 PM

I much prefer NOW vanilla whey, but that is too many carbs for me. So

I blend unflavored with vanilla. I also use far less water, so the

whey has a milk-like smoothness. Recently I have begun to add inulin

powder and using my blender stick to make the whey more like a

milkshake. Now it tastes even better.

Alobar

February 9, 2009

Unflavored whey does not taste bad, it is just flavorless. Were able

to use it in a fruit smoothie, I would not need the flavor. But by

itself, it is kinda like drinking wallpaper paste.

Alobar

On Mon, Feb 9, 2009 at 6:30 PM, ARC <calblonde1@...> wrote:

> Why don't you just use the unflavored? Is it that bad?

>

> From: Alobar <Alobar@...>

> Subject: Re: Whey Protein

> Coconut Oil

> Date: Monday, February 9, 2009, 4:02 PM

>

August 22, 2009

I don't personally recommend whey because I have only tried it once (did not

notice anything bad or good) and don't have any other personal experience with

it. I was also able to turn my health around without whey so I don't find it a

necessity. However even if it is not a necessity, it may speed healing for

some.

Anecdotally many people that I know say that whey did not work for them, and

others say that it worked great for them. Hence I do not recommend it because

it does not seem to be one of those one-size-fits-all foods. I tend to err on

the site of caution.

However I am not an expert on whey research as others in this group are. What I

recommend when trying anything, is to start by doing a base candida diet such as

the one on my website. Get your symptoms really stable and try to eat very

simple foods.

When you get to a point where your symptoms are very stable, when you try

something new like whey, you can see if you get a negative or positive reaction

to it. Also keep in mind that there are die-off symptoms to consider.

Once I got my symptoms very stable and tried new things very slowly one thing at

a time, I was able to clearly distinguish between food sensitivity symptoms and

die-off symptoms. My one experience with whey was neutral but since my health

is great I no longer try new things.

I'm pretty clear what works for me and many others I know. I can tell you for

sure that all the dairy I have tried has caused me to be congested, and I fear

that whey would be the same thing. I also had a HORRIBLE experience with wheat

grass juice that gave me 24 hours of horrid stomach pains (not die-off

symptoms).

I had great experiences with threelac although it doesn't work for everyone the

same. I recommend again to get stable with just diet alone, and then try things

very slowly and carefully. It was through this trial and error process that I

was healed.

Luv, Debby in San , CA

Student: Nutrition Certification and PhD in Psychology

Website: http://www.naturallythriving.com

----- Original Message ----

> From: Sharon Hamm

>

> I bought some Whey Protein that has sucralose in it. The company claims there

> are no added ingredients, but as far as I know, sucralose is not naturally

> occuring in Whey. Is it ok for me with Candida?

August 22, 2009

Thank you Debby, that was a very helpful comment on how to choose and eliminate

things. Doug

From: Debby Padilla-Hudson <debbypadilla@...>

Subject: Re: Re: Whey Protein

candidiasis

Date: Saturday, August 22, 2009, 12:36 AM

I don't personally recommend whey because I have only tried it

once (did not notice anything bad or good) and don't have any other personal

experience with it. I was also able to turn my health around without whey so I

don't find it a necessity. However even if it is not a necessity, it may speed

healing for some.

Anecdotally many people that I know say that whey did not work for them, and

others say that it worked great for them. Hence I do not recommend it because

it does not seem to be one of those one-size-fits- all foods. I tend to err on

the site of caution.

However I am not an expert on whey research as others in this group are. What I

recommend when trying anything, is to start by doing a base candida diet such as

the one on my website. Get your symptoms really stable and try to eat very

simple foods.

When you get to a point where your symptoms are very stable, when you try

something new like whey, you can see if you get a negative or positive reaction

to it. Also keep in mind that there are die-off symptoms to consider.

Once I got my symptoms very stable and tried new things very slowly one thing at

a time, I was able to clearly distinguish between food sensitivity symptoms and

die-off symptoms. My one experience with whey was neutral but since my health

is great I no longer try new things.

I'm pretty clear what works for me and many others I know. I can tell you for

sure that all the dairy I have tried has caused me to be congested, and I fear

that whey would be the same thing. I also had a HORRIBLE experience with wheat

grass juice that gave me 24 hours of horrid stomach pains (not die-off

symptoms).

I had great experiences with threelac although it doesn't work for everyone the

same. I recommend again to get stable with just diet alone, and then try things

very slowly and carefully. It was through this trial and error process that I

was healed.

Luv, Debby in San , CA

Student: Nutrition Certification and PhD in Psychology

Website: http://www.naturall ythriving. com

----- Original Message ----

> From: Sharon Hamm

>

> I bought some Whey Protein that has sucralose in it. The company claims there

> are no added ingredients, but as far as I know, sucralose is not naturally

> occuring in Whey. Is it ok for me with Candida?

August 22, 2009

Thanks . I can say for me it was often very hard to go slow. I messed

up many experiments (including) whey by trying more than one thing at once and

not going slow enough, then I couldn't figure out which item did what. So maybe

you can learn from my mistakes.

Luv, Debby in San , CA

Student: Nutrition Certification and PhD in Psychology

Website: http://www.naturallythriving.com

----- Original Message ----

> From: douglas richey

>

> Thank you Debby, that was a very helpful comment on how to choose and

eliminate

> things. Doug

>

> I don't personally recommend whey because I have only tried

it

> once (did not notice anything bad or good) and don't have any other personal

> experience with it. I was also able to turn my health around without whey so

I

> don't find it a necessity. However even if it is not a necessity, it may

speed

> healing for some.

>

> Anecdotally many people that I know say that whey did not work for them, and

> others say that it worked great for them. Hence I do not recommend it because

> it does not seem to be one of those one-size-fits- all foods. I tend to err

on

> the site of caution.

>

> However I am not an expert on whey research as others in this group are. What

I

> recommend when trying anything, is to start by doing a base candida diet such

as

> the one on my website. Get your symptoms really stable and try to eat very

> simple foods.

>

> When you get to a point where your symptoms are very stable, when you try

> something new like whey, you can see if you get a negative or positive

reaction

> to it. Also keep in mind that there are die-off symptoms to consider.

>

> Once I got my symptoms very stable and tried new things very slowly one thing

at

> a time, I was able to clearly distinguish between food sensitivity symptoms

and

> die-off symptoms. My one experience with whey was neutral but since my health

> is great I no longer try new things.

>

> I'm pretty clear what works for me and many others I know. I can tell you for

> sure that all the dairy I have tried has caused me to be congested, and I fear

> that whey would be the same thing. I also had a HORRIBLE experience with

wheat

> grass juice that gave me 24 hours of horrid stomach pains (not die-off

> symptoms).

>

> I had great experiences with threelac although it doesn't work for everyone

the

> same. I recommend again to get stable with just diet alone, and then try

things

> very slowly and carefully. It was through this trial and error process that I

> was healed.

August 23, 2009

Debby, would my success and lessening of symptoms be directly proportional to

the number of levels of food restriction I go through. There were about 6-7

levels of things to eliminate in order. If I take it real slow and only

eliminate 1 & 2, or 1,2 & 3 will I feel better with chance to feel even better the

more levels I take on. Also as i recall you had them in order of priority and is

that factual in terms of impact? Lastly how can anyone get bad diseases like

candida when you get to live in such a pretty state? Thanks Doug

>

> I don't personally recommend whey because I have only tried

it

> once (did not notice anything bad or good) and don't have any other personal

> experience with it. I was also able to turn my health around without whey so

I

> don't find it a necessity. However even if it is not a necessity, it may

speed

> healing for some.

>

> Anecdotally many people that I know say that whey did not work for them, and

> others say that it worked great for them. Hence I do not recommend it because

> it does not seem to be one of those one-size-fits- all foods. I tend to err

on

> the site of caution.

>

> However I am not an expert on whey research as others in this group are. What

I

> recommend when trying anything, is to start by doing a base candida diet such

as

> the one on my website. Get your symptoms really stable and try to eat very

> simple foods.

>

> When you get to a point where your symptoms are very stable, when you try

> something new like whey, you can see if you get a negative or positive

reaction

> to it. Also keep in mind that there are die-off symptoms to consider.

>

> Once I got my symptoms very stable and tried new things very slowly one thing

at

> a time, I was able to clearly distinguish between food sensitivity symptoms

and

> die-off symptoms. My one experience with whey was neutral but since my health

> is great I no longer try new things.

>

> I'm pretty clear what works for me and many others I know. I can tell you for

> sure that all the dairy I have tried has caused me to be congested, and I fear

> that whey would be the same thing. I also had a HORRIBLE experience with

wheat

> grass juice that gave me 24 hours of horrid stomach pains (not die-off

> symptoms).

>

> I had great experiences with threelac although it doesn't work for everyone

the

> same. I recommend again to get stable with just diet alone, and then try

things

> very slowly and carefully. It was through this trial and error process that I

> was healed.

August 23, 2009

Yes, in my experience you will feel progressively better as you go through the

stages. You may not be able to get better unless you are completely at full

compliance to MOVES for some time. I actually followed a low carb diet for many

years, and I always felt much better when I was on plan, but I didn't really

experience my true turn around until I eliminated dairy, nuts, artificial

additives, etc. and totally cooked everything fresh.

The levels are pretty much relevant to impact, but also relevant to someone

becoming slowly emotionally comfortable to such a change in lifestyle.

California is lovely and quite expensive! We pay quite a premium to live out

here. I originally got candida because I was born with a small hole in my

bladder that led to infections.

Over the years I was loaded with a lot of antibiotics which gave me candida

which actually then helped create further UTIs. I also came down with many ear

infections and was given loads of antibiotics for those. I had surgery on my

bladder when I was 6 which helped, but the damage had already been done.

What's interesting to me is that in a way I almost naturally wanted to be low

carb since I was a child. I used to want to pick the meat out of any dish and

only eat that. I liked hot dogs without bread, spaghetti and meat sauce without

the noodles, etc.

Luv, Debby in San , CA

Student: Nutrition Certification and PhD in Psychology

Website: http://www.naturallythriving.com

----- Original Message ----

> From: douglas richey

>

> Debby, would my success and lessening of symptoms be directly proportional to

> the number of levels of food restriction I go through. There were about 6-7

> levels of things to eliminate in order. If I take it real slow and only

> eliminate 1 & 2, or 1,2 & 3 will I feel better with chance to feel even better the

> more levels I take on. Also as i recall you had them in order of priority and

is

> that factual in terms of impact? Lastly how can anyone get bad diseases like

> candida when you get to live in such a pretty state? Thanks Doug

September 25, 2009

, uncooked whey protein powder produces the body's master antioxidant that

detoxes and supports the organs and every cell, and is also part of the energy

cycle. It has been used even to reduce cancer. Low levels are always found in

disease and high levels in wellness, and because ALL centenarians have unusually

high levels of this antioxidant it's also an anti-aging tool. More data here:

http://tinyurl.com/glutathione-references

People respond better to two shakes of about 35 grams daily, than to one

serving. Use selenium also, 200 mcg or so.

all good,

Duncan

>

> I know this has been a subject of discussion, but can someone tell me the

benefits of whey protein and how much to take per day, and how to take it.

> Thanks,

>

September 25, 2009

Whey is my breakfast food. Other than my morning supplement

capsules, I need no other foods. My use of whey is not the recipe on

the package. I blend with a blender stick in much less water so it

is not so watery tasting. I add a heaping teaspoon of inulin fiber,

about a gram of Vitamin C, an ounce of heavy cream. In a separate

cup I have coconut oil with 3 drops of Ddrops for vitamin D, a

tablespoon of Carlson fish oil, and a tablespoon of Carlson's cod

liver oil. I take a sip of whey, then add some of the oil mixture,

squish it around before swallowing. The Carlson oils are lemon

flavored. Vitamin C adds a bit of tartness. So I get something which

tastes like lemon and coconut. Yummy. Blending fish oil and whey

in my mouth is also quite healthy. See Duncan's revision of The

Budwig Diet

http://members.shaw.ca/duncancrow/Budwig-diet-revision.html

At night I have another batch of whey for supper about an hour before

bed. But at night I skip the fish oil and cod liver oil.

Alobar

On Fri, Sep 25, 2009 at 8:46 AM, Dembraski-Marsh

<bdembraski@...> wrote:

> I know this has been a subject of discussion, but can someone tell me the

benefits of whey protein and how much to take per day, and how to take it.

> Thanks,

>

September 25, 2009

Alobar,

How much coconut oil do you use in your oil mix?