Guest guest Posted April 9, 2007 Report Share Posted April 9, 2007 How is PTSD NOT a mental illness? It can lead to psychosis, dissociative states, depression, mania etc. I would think it is THE mental illness, if there are any... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 9, 2007 Report Share Posted April 9, 2007 How is PTSD NOT a mental illness? It can lead to psychosis, dissociative states, depression, mania etc. I would think it is THE mental illness, if there are any... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 9, 2007 Report Share Posted April 9, 2007 In a message dated 4/9/2007 3:09:48 PM Pacific Standard Time, SSRI medications writes: How is PTSD NOT a mental illness? It can lead to psychosis, dissociative states, depression, mania etc That's usually the result of treatment. I have read every single book on PTSD and every scientific paper I could get my hands on and everybody agrees that PTSD is NOT a mental illness per se. It is a reaction to trauma and how that manifests itself can be in different ways but it is not in and of itself a mental illness. If you are in a plane wreck and survive and then have PTSD would you say the person is mentally ill for being afraid to fly??? Or having panic attacks at the thought of flying? How about seeing someone maimed and mangled in a car wreck and then the person has flashbacks? Is that person mentally ill? No way. Your brain gets imprinted with these images of trauma but the person is NOT MENTALLY ILL. ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 9, 2007 Report Share Posted April 9, 2007 In a message dated 4/9/2007 3:09:48 PM Pacific Standard Time, SSRI medications writes: How is PTSD NOT a mental illness? It can lead to psychosis, dissociative states, depression, mania etc That's usually the result of treatment. I have read every single book on PTSD and every scientific paper I could get my hands on and everybody agrees that PTSD is NOT a mental illness per se. It is a reaction to trauma and how that manifests itself can be in different ways but it is not in and of itself a mental illness. If you are in a plane wreck and survive and then have PTSD would you say the person is mentally ill for being afraid to fly??? Or having panic attacks at the thought of flying? How about seeing someone maimed and mangled in a car wreck and then the person has flashbacks? Is that person mentally ill? No way. Your brain gets imprinted with these images of trauma but the person is NOT MENTALLY ILL. ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 9, 2007 Report Share Posted April 9, 2007 In a message dated 4/9/2007 3:09:48 PM Pacific Standard Time, SSRI medications writes: How is PTSD NOT a mental illness? It can lead to psychosis, dissociative states, depression, mania etc That's usually the result of treatment. I have read every single book on PTSD and every scientific paper I could get my hands on and everybody agrees that PTSD is NOT a mental illness per se. It is a reaction to trauma and how that manifests itself can be in different ways but it is not in and of itself a mental illness. If you are in a plane wreck and survive and then have PTSD would you say the person is mentally ill for being afraid to fly??? Or having panic attacks at the thought of flying? How about seeing someone maimed and mangled in a car wreck and then the person has flashbacks? Is that person mentally ill? No way. Your brain gets imprinted with these images of trauma but the person is NOT MENTALLY ILL. ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 9, 2007 Report Share Posted April 9, 2007 In a message dated 4/9/2007 3:09:48 PM Pacific Standard Time, SSRI medications writes: How is PTSD NOT a mental illness? It can lead to psychosis, dissociative states, depression, mania etc That's usually the result of treatment. I have read every single book on PTSD and every scientific paper I could get my hands on and everybody agrees that PTSD is NOT a mental illness per se. It is a reaction to trauma and how that manifests itself can be in different ways but it is not in and of itself a mental illness. If you are in a plane wreck and survive and then have PTSD would you say the person is mentally ill for being afraid to fly??? Or having panic attacks at the thought of flying? How about seeing someone maimed and mangled in a car wreck and then the person has flashbacks? Is that person mentally ill? No way. Your brain gets imprinted with these images of trauma but the person is NOT MENTALLY ILL. ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 9, 2007 Report Share Posted April 9, 2007 The answer to your question is in the last line... " if there are any... " That's one BIG " IF " ! But I understand the confusion and anger those who say " there is no such thing as mental illness " cause for many of us. I know my son was not " normal " - he was far too easily angered, too quick to fly in the face of authority, too negative about himself when everyone else thought he had such a strong, positive self image. It has taken a lot of research and reading to realize that he most likely had a couple of physical conditions that were the CAUSE of his emotional responses. To be an illness, there has to be some way to confirm its existence. Serology, endocrinology, X-ray, MRI, etc. I am not saying that our veterans are not experiencing very real symptoms...it's just a matter of what is causing those symptoms. Was it Agent Orange, malarial medications, water/diet, corticosteroids for our Viet Nam vets? What were our Gulf War vets exposed to in Kuwait and Iraq? Also, what meds have they been exposed to since they served? Tricyclic ADs? MAOIs? Thorazine? Lithium? What effects have these meds had on them - permanently? Is it Laramil/Lamaril (I get the name confused), corticosteroids, or other meds for Iraqi Freedom soldiers? I certainly realize that combat is hard and ruthless...my dad was a career soldier. But I think the numbers of soldiers affected by these problems are much larger today than the numbers from WWI/WWII/Korea because of the chemical cocktails we call our diets and medications today. Terry bowriver011 <bowriver011@...> wrote: How is PTSD NOT a mental illness? It can lead to psychosis, dissociative states, depression, mania etc. I would think it is THE mental illness, if there are any... FAIR USE NOTICE: This may contain copyrighted material. Such material is made available for educational purposes, to advance understanding of human rights, democracy, scientific, moral, ethical, and social justice issues, etc. This transmittal constitutes a 'fair use' of any such copyrighted material as provided for in Title 17 U.S.C. section 107 of the US Copyright Law. This material is distributed without profit. --------------------------------- 8:00? 8:25? 8:40? Find a flick in no time with the Search movie showtime shortcut. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 9, 2007 Report Share Posted April 9, 2007 The answer to your question is in the last line... " if there are any... " That's one BIG " IF " ! But I understand the confusion and anger those who say " there is no such thing as mental illness " cause for many of us. I know my son was not " normal " - he was far too easily angered, too quick to fly in the face of authority, too negative about himself when everyone else thought he had such a strong, positive self image. It has taken a lot of research and reading to realize that he most likely had a couple of physical conditions that were the CAUSE of his emotional responses. To be an illness, there has to be some way to confirm its existence. Serology, endocrinology, X-ray, MRI, etc. I am not saying that our veterans are not experiencing very real symptoms...it's just a matter of what is causing those symptoms. Was it Agent Orange, malarial medications, water/diet, corticosteroids for our Viet Nam vets? What were our Gulf War vets exposed to in Kuwait and Iraq? Also, what meds have they been exposed to since they served? Tricyclic ADs? MAOIs? Thorazine? Lithium? What effects have these meds had on them - permanently? Is it Laramil/Lamaril (I get the name confused), corticosteroids, or other meds for Iraqi Freedom soldiers? I certainly realize that combat is hard and ruthless...my dad was a career soldier. But I think the numbers of soldiers affected by these problems are much larger today than the numbers from WWI/WWII/Korea because of the chemical cocktails we call our diets and medications today. Terry bowriver011 <bowriver011@...> wrote: How is PTSD NOT a mental illness? It can lead to psychosis, dissociative states, depression, mania etc. I would think it is THE mental illness, if there are any... FAIR USE NOTICE: This may contain copyrighted material. Such material is made available for educational purposes, to advance understanding of human rights, democracy, scientific, moral, ethical, and social justice issues, etc. This transmittal constitutes a 'fair use' of any such copyrighted material as provided for in Title 17 U.S.C. section 107 of the US Copyright Law. This material is distributed without profit. --------------------------------- 8:00? 8:25? 8:40? Find a flick in no time with the Search movie showtime shortcut. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 9, 2007 Report Share Posted April 9, 2007 The answer to your question is in the last line... " if there are any... " That's one BIG " IF " ! But I understand the confusion and anger those who say " there is no such thing as mental illness " cause for many of us. I know my son was not " normal " - he was far too easily angered, too quick to fly in the face of authority, too negative about himself when everyone else thought he had such a strong, positive self image. It has taken a lot of research and reading to realize that he most likely had a couple of physical conditions that were the CAUSE of his emotional responses. To be an illness, there has to be some way to confirm its existence. Serology, endocrinology, X-ray, MRI, etc. I am not saying that our veterans are not experiencing very real symptoms...it's just a matter of what is causing those symptoms. Was it Agent Orange, malarial medications, water/diet, corticosteroids for our Viet Nam vets? What were our Gulf War vets exposed to in Kuwait and Iraq? Also, what meds have they been exposed to since they served? Tricyclic ADs? MAOIs? Thorazine? Lithium? What effects have these meds had on them - permanently? Is it Laramil/Lamaril (I get the name confused), corticosteroids, or other meds for Iraqi Freedom soldiers? I certainly realize that combat is hard and ruthless...my dad was a career soldier. But I think the numbers of soldiers affected by these problems are much larger today than the numbers from WWI/WWII/Korea because of the chemical cocktails we call our diets and medications today. Terry bowriver011 <bowriver011@...> wrote: How is PTSD NOT a mental illness? It can lead to psychosis, dissociative states, depression, mania etc. I would think it is THE mental illness, if there are any... FAIR USE NOTICE: This may contain copyrighted material. Such material is made available for educational purposes, to advance understanding of human rights, democracy, scientific, moral, ethical, and social justice issues, etc. This transmittal constitutes a 'fair use' of any such copyrighted material as provided for in Title 17 U.S.C. section 107 of the US Copyright Law. This material is distributed without profit. --------------------------------- 8:00? 8:25? 8:40? Find a flick in no time with the Search movie showtime shortcut. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 9, 2007 Report Share Posted April 9, 2007 The answer to your question is in the last line... " if there are any... " That's one BIG " IF " ! But I understand the confusion and anger those who say " there is no such thing as mental illness " cause for many of us. I know my son was not " normal " - he was far too easily angered, too quick to fly in the face of authority, too negative about himself when everyone else thought he had such a strong, positive self image. It has taken a lot of research and reading to realize that he most likely had a couple of physical conditions that were the CAUSE of his emotional responses. To be an illness, there has to be some way to confirm its existence. Serology, endocrinology, X-ray, MRI, etc. I am not saying that our veterans are not experiencing very real symptoms...it's just a matter of what is causing those symptoms. Was it Agent Orange, malarial medications, water/diet, corticosteroids for our Viet Nam vets? What were our Gulf War vets exposed to in Kuwait and Iraq? Also, what meds have they been exposed to since they served? Tricyclic ADs? MAOIs? Thorazine? Lithium? What effects have these meds had on them - permanently? Is it Laramil/Lamaril (I get the name confused), corticosteroids, or other meds for Iraqi Freedom soldiers? I certainly realize that combat is hard and ruthless...my dad was a career soldier. But I think the numbers of soldiers affected by these problems are much larger today than the numbers from WWI/WWII/Korea because of the chemical cocktails we call our diets and medications today. Terry bowriver011 <bowriver011@...> wrote: How is PTSD NOT a mental illness? It can lead to psychosis, dissociative states, depression, mania etc. I would think it is THE mental illness, if there are any... FAIR USE NOTICE: This may contain copyrighted material. Such material is made available for educational purposes, to advance understanding of human rights, democracy, scientific, moral, ethical, and social justice issues, etc. This transmittal constitutes a 'fair use' of any such copyrighted material as provided for in Title 17 U.S.C. section 107 of the US Copyright Law. This material is distributed without profit. --------------------------------- 8:00? 8:25? 8:40? Find a flick in no time with the Search movie showtime shortcut. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 9, 2007 Report Share Posted April 9, 2007 Why does a person " get " PTSD, what caused the person to get this " disease " if disease is what it is. Why does a person become depressed, is it something in the air we breathe, like how a person can get a cold? These " diseases " all are symptoms. Until the underlying causes are discovered, no amount of drugs will help. I know, I've been drugged for over 37 years now and it wasn't until I separated from my family, AND PSYCHIATRY, that I started to get better. I am not depressed anymore and grow less angry the more I realize why psychiatry failed me. I will not take the blame anymore. Pyschiatry and doctors tell me I suffer from brain damage since birth, the abuse I suffered as a child robbed my brain of necessary nutrients to grow, so I need these psych drugs, specifically anti-depressants to keep my chemicals balanced. What a lot of hogwash. These drugs caused my brain to become imbalanced, my family and how they behave caused me to become and stay depressed, then psychiatry in all it's efforts to cure my " diseased " brain only damaged and made me worse. I suffered horribly from the side effects of these drugs, but my complaints fell on deaf doctors' ears and I was told how much these drugs were helping me and how I would not be able to function without the help of these drugs. Again, what a lot of hogwash. How I survived I don't know. I'm taking myself off the abilify with no help from any medical doctor or psych. All I get from the medicals is the bad brain chemistry and how much I need these drugs in order to function. 37 years I've been on these drugs and now I need a walker to help me balance when I walk outdoors, I have a voice so soft I can barely be heard, and I'm still getting the blame, my emotional condition is the only condition being addressed while my physical condition continues to deteriorate. I guess in the minds of the medicals, as long as I can be sane in my head, the heck with how my body is. I get the feeling my emotional state is more important than my physical. I taught myself how to take the stares and the misunderstanding and the fears of people by myself with no help from any doctor. I have tardive dyskinesia/tardive dystonia, a condition no doctor is willing to confirm. I wonder why. Until these doctors quit covering the asses of their fellow doctors, psychiatrists in particular, people like me will be shunned, ignored, mistreated and die an earlier death because of these doctors denial of the reason why I was depressed in the first place. When I first came under the care of a psychiatrist, I was put in a psych hospital and had everything tested. THEY FOUND NO PHYSICAL CAUSE for my depression, no brain damage, nothing. I passed all physical tests and intelligence tests. So how can I have a disease? If nothing was found wrong with me. NO one addressed my living situation. Instead since the docs could find nothing physically wrong with me they decided I was chemically imbalanced, but never could prove this. I ask all my doctors to tell me what chemicals in me are the ones imbalanced, give me the normal ranges of all my chemicals, I can challenge all my doctors to prove their bs chemical imbalance theory and not one of my doctors will be ever able to prove I'm chemically imbalanced because no one has of yet, found the right range for a person to be said, chemically balanced. I thought this group was supposed to support and be against psych drugs. Why are people out to prove that mental illness is a disease, prove these psychs are right. Why prove anything. I want to meet people of like mind, people who have found other ways to cope with life's problems without the " help " of drugs. I want to meet people who have found life to be the problem, not chemicals or a bad brain. If people want to believe they can be helped to cope by using drugs, fine, but find some other forum where you can voice and be supported because all I have to say about psych drugs and will always say about psych drugs, they never help, only harm. Melinda and Jayme her Silver Winged Companion Re: PTSD How is PTSD NOT a mental illness? It can lead to psychosis, dissociative states, depression, mania etc. I would think it is THE mental illness, if there are any... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 9, 2007 Report Share Posted April 9, 2007 Why does a person " get " PTSD, what caused the person to get this " disease " if disease is what it is. Why does a person become depressed, is it something in the air we breathe, like how a person can get a cold? These " diseases " all are symptoms. Until the underlying causes are discovered, no amount of drugs will help. I know, I've been drugged for over 37 years now and it wasn't until I separated from my family, AND PSYCHIATRY, that I started to get better. I am not depressed anymore and grow less angry the more I realize why psychiatry failed me. I will not take the blame anymore. Pyschiatry and doctors tell me I suffer from brain damage since birth, the abuse I suffered as a child robbed my brain of necessary nutrients to grow, so I need these psych drugs, specifically anti-depressants to keep my chemicals balanced. What a lot of hogwash. These drugs caused my brain to become imbalanced, my family and how they behave caused me to become and stay depressed, then psychiatry in all it's efforts to cure my " diseased " brain only damaged and made me worse. I suffered horribly from the side effects of these drugs, but my complaints fell on deaf doctors' ears and I was told how much these drugs were helping me and how I would not be able to function without the help of these drugs. Again, what a lot of hogwash. How I survived I don't know. I'm taking myself off the abilify with no help from any medical doctor or psych. All I get from the medicals is the bad brain chemistry and how much I need these drugs in order to function. 37 years I've been on these drugs and now I need a walker to help me balance when I walk outdoors, I have a voice so soft I can barely be heard, and I'm still getting the blame, my emotional condition is the only condition being addressed while my physical condition continues to deteriorate. I guess in the minds of the medicals, as long as I can be sane in my head, the heck with how my body is. I get the feeling my emotional state is more important than my physical. I taught myself how to take the stares and the misunderstanding and the fears of people by myself with no help from any doctor. I have tardive dyskinesia/tardive dystonia, a condition no doctor is willing to confirm. I wonder why. Until these doctors quit covering the asses of their fellow doctors, psychiatrists in particular, people like me will be shunned, ignored, mistreated and die an earlier death because of these doctors denial of the reason why I was depressed in the first place. When I first came under the care of a psychiatrist, I was put in a psych hospital and had everything tested. THEY FOUND NO PHYSICAL CAUSE for my depression, no brain damage, nothing. I passed all physical tests and intelligence tests. So how can I have a disease? If nothing was found wrong with me. NO one addressed my living situation. Instead since the docs could find nothing physically wrong with me they decided I was chemically imbalanced, but never could prove this. I ask all my doctors to tell me what chemicals in me are the ones imbalanced, give me the normal ranges of all my chemicals, I can challenge all my doctors to prove their bs chemical imbalance theory and not one of my doctors will be ever able to prove I'm chemically imbalanced because no one has of yet, found the right range for a person to be said, chemically balanced. I thought this group was supposed to support and be against psych drugs. Why are people out to prove that mental illness is a disease, prove these psychs are right. Why prove anything. I want to meet people of like mind, people who have found other ways to cope with life's problems without the " help " of drugs. I want to meet people who have found life to be the problem, not chemicals or a bad brain. If people want to believe they can be helped to cope by using drugs, fine, but find some other forum where you can voice and be supported because all I have to say about psych drugs and will always say about psych drugs, they never help, only harm. Melinda and Jayme her Silver Winged Companion Re: PTSD How is PTSD NOT a mental illness? It can lead to psychosis, dissociative states, depression, mania etc. I would think it is THE mental illness, if there are any... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 9, 2007 Report Share Posted April 9, 2007 Why does a person " get " PTSD, what caused the person to get this " disease " if disease is what it is. Why does a person become depressed, is it something in the air we breathe, like how a person can get a cold? These " diseases " all are symptoms. Until the underlying causes are discovered, no amount of drugs will help. I know, I've been drugged for over 37 years now and it wasn't until I separated from my family, AND PSYCHIATRY, that I started to get better. I am not depressed anymore and grow less angry the more I realize why psychiatry failed me. I will not take the blame anymore. Pyschiatry and doctors tell me I suffer from brain damage since birth, the abuse I suffered as a child robbed my brain of necessary nutrients to grow, so I need these psych drugs, specifically anti-depressants to keep my chemicals balanced. What a lot of hogwash. These drugs caused my brain to become imbalanced, my family and how they behave caused me to become and stay depressed, then psychiatry in all it's efforts to cure my " diseased " brain only damaged and made me worse. I suffered horribly from the side effects of these drugs, but my complaints fell on deaf doctors' ears and I was told how much these drugs were helping me and how I would not be able to function without the help of these drugs. Again, what a lot of hogwash. How I survived I don't know. I'm taking myself off the abilify with no help from any medical doctor or psych. All I get from the medicals is the bad brain chemistry and how much I need these drugs in order to function. 37 years I've been on these drugs and now I need a walker to help me balance when I walk outdoors, I have a voice so soft I can barely be heard, and I'm still getting the blame, my emotional condition is the only condition being addressed while my physical condition continues to deteriorate. I guess in the minds of the medicals, as long as I can be sane in my head, the heck with how my body is. I get the feeling my emotional state is more important than my physical. I taught myself how to take the stares and the misunderstanding and the fears of people by myself with no help from any doctor. I have tardive dyskinesia/tardive dystonia, a condition no doctor is willing to confirm. I wonder why. Until these doctors quit covering the asses of their fellow doctors, psychiatrists in particular, people like me will be shunned, ignored, mistreated and die an earlier death because of these doctors denial of the reason why I was depressed in the first place. When I first came under the care of a psychiatrist, I was put in a psych hospital and had everything tested. THEY FOUND NO PHYSICAL CAUSE for my depression, no brain damage, nothing. I passed all physical tests and intelligence tests. So how can I have a disease? If nothing was found wrong with me. NO one addressed my living situation. Instead since the docs could find nothing physically wrong with me they decided I was chemically imbalanced, but never could prove this. I ask all my doctors to tell me what chemicals in me are the ones imbalanced, give me the normal ranges of all my chemicals, I can challenge all my doctors to prove their bs chemical imbalance theory and not one of my doctors will be ever able to prove I'm chemically imbalanced because no one has of yet, found the right range for a person to be said, chemically balanced. I thought this group was supposed to support and be against psych drugs. Why are people out to prove that mental illness is a disease, prove these psychs are right. Why prove anything. I want to meet people of like mind, people who have found other ways to cope with life's problems without the " help " of drugs. I want to meet people who have found life to be the problem, not chemicals or a bad brain. If people want to believe they can be helped to cope by using drugs, fine, but find some other forum where you can voice and be supported because all I have to say about psych drugs and will always say about psych drugs, they never help, only harm. Melinda and Jayme her Silver Winged Companion Re: PTSD How is PTSD NOT a mental illness? It can lead to psychosis, dissociative states, depression, mania etc. I would think it is THE mental illness, if there are any... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 9, 2007 Report Share Posted April 9, 2007 Why does a person " get " PTSD, what caused the person to get this " disease " if disease is what it is. Why does a person become depressed, is it something in the air we breathe, like how a person can get a cold? These " diseases " all are symptoms. Until the underlying causes are discovered, no amount of drugs will help. I know, I've been drugged for over 37 years now and it wasn't until I separated from my family, AND PSYCHIATRY, that I started to get better. I am not depressed anymore and grow less angry the more I realize why psychiatry failed me. I will not take the blame anymore. Pyschiatry and doctors tell me I suffer from brain damage since birth, the abuse I suffered as a child robbed my brain of necessary nutrients to grow, so I need these psych drugs, specifically anti-depressants to keep my chemicals balanced. What a lot of hogwash. These drugs caused my brain to become imbalanced, my family and how they behave caused me to become and stay depressed, then psychiatry in all it's efforts to cure my " diseased " brain only damaged and made me worse. I suffered horribly from the side effects of these drugs, but my complaints fell on deaf doctors' ears and I was told how much these drugs were helping me and how I would not be able to function without the help of these drugs. Again, what a lot of hogwash. How I survived I don't know. I'm taking myself off the abilify with no help from any medical doctor or psych. All I get from the medicals is the bad brain chemistry and how much I need these drugs in order to function. 37 years I've been on these drugs and now I need a walker to help me balance when I walk outdoors, I have a voice so soft I can barely be heard, and I'm still getting the blame, my emotional condition is the only condition being addressed while my physical condition continues to deteriorate. I guess in the minds of the medicals, as long as I can be sane in my head, the heck with how my body is. I get the feeling my emotional state is more important than my physical. I taught myself how to take the stares and the misunderstanding and the fears of people by myself with no help from any doctor. I have tardive dyskinesia/tardive dystonia, a condition no doctor is willing to confirm. I wonder why. Until these doctors quit covering the asses of their fellow doctors, psychiatrists in particular, people like me will be shunned, ignored, mistreated and die an earlier death because of these doctors denial of the reason why I was depressed in the first place. When I first came under the care of a psychiatrist, I was put in a psych hospital and had everything tested. THEY FOUND NO PHYSICAL CAUSE for my depression, no brain damage, nothing. I passed all physical tests and intelligence tests. So how can I have a disease? If nothing was found wrong with me. NO one addressed my living situation. Instead since the docs could find nothing physically wrong with me they decided I was chemically imbalanced, but never could prove this. I ask all my doctors to tell me what chemicals in me are the ones imbalanced, give me the normal ranges of all my chemicals, I can challenge all my doctors to prove their bs chemical imbalance theory and not one of my doctors will be ever able to prove I'm chemically imbalanced because no one has of yet, found the right range for a person to be said, chemically balanced. I thought this group was supposed to support and be against psych drugs. Why are people out to prove that mental illness is a disease, prove these psychs are right. Why prove anything. I want to meet people of like mind, people who have found other ways to cope with life's problems without the " help " of drugs. I want to meet people who have found life to be the problem, not chemicals or a bad brain. If people want to believe they can be helped to cope by using drugs, fine, but find some other forum where you can voice and be supported because all I have to say about psych drugs and will always say about psych drugs, they never help, only harm. Melinda and Jayme her Silver Winged Companion Re: PTSD How is PTSD NOT a mental illness? It can lead to psychosis, dissociative states, depression, mania etc. I would think it is THE mental illness, if there are any... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 9, 2007 Report Share Posted April 9, 2007 I won't deny physical causes can make someone angry easier than most. I know when I don't eat right or when I'm hungry I get very irritatble and tend to fly off the handle a lot easier than usual. That's my body teling me I need to eat, to feed it and I need to be careful what I feed it. If I reach for a candy bar or a soft drink, yes I feel better instantly but in the long run, the " after shocks " are far worse than before, I get extremely agitated and more uncontrollable. I say look for the underlying reason, look at diet and nutrition, the lifestyle of a person before labelling him or her as suffering from a " disease " of the mind. I believe looking at the whole person, not only what they eat, but their living situation, address the WHOLE person including their living situation, before condemning them to a life on drugs. Society and it's pressures can make a person " ill " . Why society is not addressed as a cause, maybe the root factor, is a puzzlement to me. Melinda and Jayme her Silver Winged Companion Re: Re: PTSD The answer to your question is in the last line... " if there are any... " That's one BIG " IF " ! But I understand the confusion and anger those who say " there is no such thing as mental illness " cause for many of us. I know my son was not " normal " - he was far too easily angered, too quick to fly in the face of authority, too negative about himself when everyone else thought he had such a strong, positive self image. It has taken a lot of research and reading to realize that he most likely had a couple of physical conditions that were the CAUSE of his emotional responses. To be an illness, there has to be some way to confirm its existence. Serology, endocrinology, X-ray, MRI, etc. I am not saying that our veterans are not experiencing very real symptoms...it's just a matter of what is causing those symptoms. Was it Agent Orange, malarial medications, water/diet, corticosteroids for our Viet Nam vets? What were our Gulf War vets exposed to in Kuwait and Iraq? Also, what meds have they been exposed to since they served? Tricyclic ADs? MAOIs? Thorazine? Lithium? What effects have these meds had on them - permanently? Is it Laramil/Lamaril (I get the name confused), corticosteroids, or other meds for Iraqi Freedom soldiers? I certainly realize that combat is hard and ruthless...my dad was a career soldier. But I think the numbers of soldiers affected by these problems are much larger today than the numbers from WWI/WWII/Korea because of the chemical cocktails we call our diets and medications today. Terry bowriver011 <bowriver011@...> wrote: How is PTSD NOT a mental illness? It can lead to psychosis, dissociative states, depression, mania etc. I would think it is THE mental illness, if there are any... FAIR USE NOTICE: This may contain copyrighted material. Such material is made available for educational purposes, to advance understanding of human rights, democracy, scientific, moral, ethical, and social justice issues, etc. This transmittal constitutes a 'fair use' of any such copyrighted material as provided for in Title 17 U.S.C. section 107 of the US Copyright Law. This material is distributed without profit. --------------------------------- 8:00? 8:25? 8:40? Find a flick in no time with the Search movie showtime shortcut. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 9, 2007 Report Share Posted April 9, 2007 I won't deny physical causes can make someone angry easier than most. I know when I don't eat right or when I'm hungry I get very irritatble and tend to fly off the handle a lot easier than usual. That's my body teling me I need to eat, to feed it and I need to be careful what I feed it. If I reach for a candy bar or a soft drink, yes I feel better instantly but in the long run, the " after shocks " are far worse than before, I get extremely agitated and more uncontrollable. I say look for the underlying reason, look at diet and nutrition, the lifestyle of a person before labelling him or her as suffering from a " disease " of the mind. I believe looking at the whole person, not only what they eat, but their living situation, address the WHOLE person including their living situation, before condemning them to a life on drugs. Society and it's pressures can make a person " ill " . Why society is not addressed as a cause, maybe the root factor, is a puzzlement to me. Melinda and Jayme her Silver Winged Companion Re: Re: PTSD The answer to your question is in the last line... " if there are any... " That's one BIG " IF " ! But I understand the confusion and anger those who say " there is no such thing as mental illness " cause for many of us. I know my son was not " normal " - he was far too easily angered, too quick to fly in the face of authority, too negative about himself when everyone else thought he had such a strong, positive self image. It has taken a lot of research and reading to realize that he most likely had a couple of physical conditions that were the CAUSE of his emotional responses. To be an illness, there has to be some way to confirm its existence. Serology, endocrinology, X-ray, MRI, etc. I am not saying that our veterans are not experiencing very real symptoms...it's just a matter of what is causing those symptoms. Was it Agent Orange, malarial medications, water/diet, corticosteroids for our Viet Nam vets? What were our Gulf War vets exposed to in Kuwait and Iraq? Also, what meds have they been exposed to since they served? Tricyclic ADs? MAOIs? Thorazine? Lithium? What effects have these meds had on them - permanently? Is it Laramil/Lamaril (I get the name confused), corticosteroids, or other meds for Iraqi Freedom soldiers? I certainly realize that combat is hard and ruthless...my dad was a career soldier. But I think the numbers of soldiers affected by these problems are much larger today than the numbers from WWI/WWII/Korea because of the chemical cocktails we call our diets and medications today. Terry bowriver011 <bowriver011@...> wrote: How is PTSD NOT a mental illness? It can lead to psychosis, dissociative states, depression, mania etc. I would think it is THE mental illness, if there are any... FAIR USE NOTICE: This may contain copyrighted material. Such material is made available for educational purposes, to advance understanding of human rights, democracy, scientific, moral, ethical, and social justice issues, etc. This transmittal constitutes a 'fair use' of any such copyrighted material as provided for in Title 17 U.S.C. section 107 of the US Copyright Law. This material is distributed without profit. --------------------------------- 8:00? 8:25? 8:40? Find a flick in no time with the Search movie showtime shortcut. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 9, 2007 Report Share Posted April 9, 2007 I won't deny physical causes can make someone angry easier than most. I know when I don't eat right or when I'm hungry I get very irritatble and tend to fly off the handle a lot easier than usual. That's my body teling me I need to eat, to feed it and I need to be careful what I feed it. If I reach for a candy bar or a soft drink, yes I feel better instantly but in the long run, the " after shocks " are far worse than before, I get extremely agitated and more uncontrollable. I say look for the underlying reason, look at diet and nutrition, the lifestyle of a person before labelling him or her as suffering from a " disease " of the mind. I believe looking at the whole person, not only what they eat, but their living situation, address the WHOLE person including their living situation, before condemning them to a life on drugs. Society and it's pressures can make a person " ill " . Why society is not addressed as a cause, maybe the root factor, is a puzzlement to me. Melinda and Jayme her Silver Winged Companion Re: Re: PTSD The answer to your question is in the last line... " if there are any... " That's one BIG " IF " ! But I understand the confusion and anger those who say " there is no such thing as mental illness " cause for many of us. I know my son was not " normal " - he was far too easily angered, too quick to fly in the face of authority, too negative about himself when everyone else thought he had such a strong, positive self image. It has taken a lot of research and reading to realize that he most likely had a couple of physical conditions that were the CAUSE of his emotional responses. To be an illness, there has to be some way to confirm its existence. Serology, endocrinology, X-ray, MRI, etc. I am not saying that our veterans are not experiencing very real symptoms...it's just a matter of what is causing those symptoms. Was it Agent Orange, malarial medications, water/diet, corticosteroids for our Viet Nam vets? What were our Gulf War vets exposed to in Kuwait and Iraq? Also, what meds have they been exposed to since they served? Tricyclic ADs? MAOIs? Thorazine? Lithium? What effects have these meds had on them - permanently? Is it Laramil/Lamaril (I get the name confused), corticosteroids, or other meds for Iraqi Freedom soldiers? I certainly realize that combat is hard and ruthless...my dad was a career soldier. But I think the numbers of soldiers affected by these problems are much larger today than the numbers from WWI/WWII/Korea because of the chemical cocktails we call our diets and medications today. Terry bowriver011 <bowriver011@...> wrote: How is PTSD NOT a mental illness? It can lead to psychosis, dissociative states, depression, mania etc. I would think it is THE mental illness, if there are any... FAIR USE NOTICE: This may contain copyrighted material. Such material is made available for educational purposes, to advance understanding of human rights, democracy, scientific, moral, ethical, and social justice issues, etc. This transmittal constitutes a 'fair use' of any such copyrighted material as provided for in Title 17 U.S.C. section 107 of the US Copyright Law. This material is distributed without profit. --------------------------------- 8:00? 8:25? 8:40? Find a flick in no time with the Search movie showtime shortcut. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 9, 2007 Report Share Posted April 9, 2007 I won't deny physical causes can make someone angry easier than most. I know when I don't eat right or when I'm hungry I get very irritatble and tend to fly off the handle a lot easier than usual. That's my body teling me I need to eat, to feed it and I need to be careful what I feed it. If I reach for a candy bar or a soft drink, yes I feel better instantly but in the long run, the " after shocks " are far worse than before, I get extremely agitated and more uncontrollable. I say look for the underlying reason, look at diet and nutrition, the lifestyle of a person before labelling him or her as suffering from a " disease " of the mind. I believe looking at the whole person, not only what they eat, but their living situation, address the WHOLE person including their living situation, before condemning them to a life on drugs. Society and it's pressures can make a person " ill " . Why society is not addressed as a cause, maybe the root factor, is a puzzlement to me. Melinda and Jayme her Silver Winged Companion Re: Re: PTSD The answer to your question is in the last line... " if there are any... " That's one BIG " IF " ! But I understand the confusion and anger those who say " there is no such thing as mental illness " cause for many of us. I know my son was not " normal " - he was far too easily angered, too quick to fly in the face of authority, too negative about himself when everyone else thought he had such a strong, positive self image. It has taken a lot of research and reading to realize that he most likely had a couple of physical conditions that were the CAUSE of his emotional responses. To be an illness, there has to be some way to confirm its existence. Serology, endocrinology, X-ray, MRI, etc. I am not saying that our veterans are not experiencing very real symptoms...it's just a matter of what is causing those symptoms. Was it Agent Orange, malarial medications, water/diet, corticosteroids for our Viet Nam vets? What were our Gulf War vets exposed to in Kuwait and Iraq? Also, what meds have they been exposed to since they served? Tricyclic ADs? MAOIs? Thorazine? Lithium? What effects have these meds had on them - permanently? Is it Laramil/Lamaril (I get the name confused), corticosteroids, or other meds for Iraqi Freedom soldiers? I certainly realize that combat is hard and ruthless...my dad was a career soldier. But I think the numbers of soldiers affected by these problems are much larger today than the numbers from WWI/WWII/Korea because of the chemical cocktails we call our diets and medications today. Terry bowriver011 <bowriver011@...> wrote: How is PTSD NOT a mental illness? It can lead to psychosis, dissociative states, depression, mania etc. I would think it is THE mental illness, if there are any... FAIR USE NOTICE: This may contain copyrighted material. Such material is made available for educational purposes, to advance understanding of human rights, democracy, scientific, moral, ethical, and social justice issues, etc. This transmittal constitutes a 'fair use' of any such copyrighted material as provided for in Title 17 U.S.C. section 107 of the US Copyright Law. This material is distributed without profit. --------------------------------- 8:00? 8:25? 8:40? Find a flick in no time with the Search movie showtime shortcut. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 9, 2007 Report Share Posted April 9, 2007 " AMEN!!!! " Re: PTSD How is PTSD NOT a mental illness? It can lead to psychosis, dissociative states, depression, mania etc. I would think it is THE mental illness, if there are any... ________________________________________________________________________________\ ____ 8:00? 8:25? 8:40? Find a flick in no time with the Search movie showtime shortcut. http://tools.search./shortcuts/#news Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 9, 2007 Report Share Posted April 9, 2007 " AMEN!!!! " Re: PTSD How is PTSD NOT a mental illness? It can lead to psychosis, dissociative states, depression, mania etc. I would think it is THE mental illness, if there are any... ________________________________________________________________________________\ ____ 8:00? 8:25? 8:40? Find a flick in no time with the Search movie showtime shortcut. http://tools.search./shortcuts/#news Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 9, 2007 Report Share Posted April 9, 2007 " AMEN!!!! " Re: PTSD How is PTSD NOT a mental illness? It can lead to psychosis, dissociative states, depression, mania etc. I would think it is THE mental illness, if there are any... ________________________________________________________________________________\ ____ 8:00? 8:25? 8:40? Find a flick in no time with the Search movie showtime shortcut. http://tools.search./shortcuts/#news Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 9, 2007 Report Share Posted April 9, 2007 " AMEN!!!! " Re: PTSD How is PTSD NOT a mental illness? It can lead to psychosis, dissociative states, depression, mania etc. I would think it is THE mental illness, if there are any... ________________________________________________________________________________\ ____ 8:00? 8:25? 8:40? Find a flick in no time with the Search movie showtime shortcut. http://tools.search./shortcuts/#news Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 9, 2007 Report Share Posted April 9, 2007 What? I had a great childhood. Only good memories. When they said I was depressed (bull chit) they were, what? Blaming my parents? I had the coolest dad around. My mom was famous for her one of a kind Barbie clothes for us. My dad was a politician but he was just Dad to me. I thought F. Kennedy knew my dad because we were Irish. Wait a second............you're on to something. A few years after I understood that President Kennedy was a family member he was killed. Of course I had trauma BUT that was in about my senior year of school. I don't like the terms " mentally ill " or " mental illness " . But, in fact, everyone with a Dx of " mental illness " has been traumatized in childhood. Hey, Bush Supporters: Embarrassed Yet? ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 9, 2007 Report Share Posted April 9, 2007 What? I had a great childhood. Only good memories. When they said I was depressed (bull chit) they were, what? Blaming my parents? I had the coolest dad around. My mom was famous for her one of a kind Barbie clothes for us. My dad was a politician but he was just Dad to me. I thought F. Kennedy knew my dad because we were Irish. Wait a second............you're on to something. A few years after I understood that President Kennedy was a family member he was killed. Of course I had trauma BUT that was in about my senior year of school. I don't like the terms " mentally ill " or " mental illness " . But, in fact, everyone with a Dx of " mental illness " has been traumatized in childhood. Hey, Bush Supporters: Embarrassed Yet? ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 9, 2007 Report Share Posted April 9, 2007 What? I had a great childhood. Only good memories. When they said I was depressed (bull chit) they were, what? Blaming my parents? I had the coolest dad around. My mom was famous for her one of a kind Barbie clothes for us. My dad was a politician but he was just Dad to me. I thought F. Kennedy knew my dad because we were Irish. Wait a second............you're on to something. A few years after I understood that President Kennedy was a family member he was killed. Of course I had trauma BUT that was in about my senior year of school. I don't like the terms " mentally ill " or " mental illness " . But, in fact, everyone with a Dx of " mental illness " has been traumatized in childhood. Hey, Bush Supporters: Embarrassed Yet? ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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