PTSD

[Guest guest]

What? I had a great childhood. Only good memories. When they said I was

depressed (bull chit) they were, what? Blaming my parents? I had the coolest dad

around. My mom was famous for her one of a kind Barbie clothes for us. My dad

was a politician but he was just Dad to me. I thought F. Kennedy knew my

dad because we were Irish. Wait a second............you're on to

something. A few years after I understood that President Kennedy was a family

member

he was killed. Of course I had trauma BUT that was in about my senior year of

school.

I don't like the terms " mentally ill " or " mental illness " . But, in fact,

everyone with a Dx of " mental illness " has been traumatized in childhood.

Hey, Bush Supporters: Embarrassed Yet?

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[Guest guest]

Bingo............IF there are any! I think a brain can be damaged I don't

think a mind can be ill.

Define mind. Where is it? What does it weigh? If it is not a body part how

can it get ill? If your mind is ill why are you feeding drugs to your brain?

How is PTSD NOT a mental illness? It can lead to psychosis,

dissociative states, depression, mania etc. I would think it is THE

mental illness, if there are any...

Hey, Bush Supporters: Embarrassed Yet?

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[Guest guest]

Bingo............IF there are any! I think a brain can be damaged I don't

think a mind can be ill.

Define mind. Where is it? What does it weigh? If it is not a body part how

can it get ill? If your mind is ill why are you feeding drugs to your brain?

How is PTSD NOT a mental illness? It can lead to psychosis,

dissociative states, depression, mania etc. I would think it is THE

mental illness, if there are any...

Hey, Bush Supporters: Embarrassed Yet?

************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.

[Guest guest]

Bingo............IF there are any! I think a brain can be damaged I don't

think a mind can be ill.

Define mind. Where is it? What does it weigh? If it is not a body part how

can it get ill? If your mind is ill why are you feeding drugs to your brain?

How is PTSD NOT a mental illness? It can lead to psychosis,

dissociative states, depression, mania etc. I would think it is THE

mental illness, if there are any...

Hey, Bush Supporters: Embarrassed Yet?

************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.

[Guest guest]

Bingo............IF there are any! I think a brain can be damaged I don't

think a mind can be ill.

Define mind. Where is it? What does it weigh? If it is not a body part how

can it get ill? If your mind is ill why are you feeding drugs to your brain?

How is PTSD NOT a mental illness? It can lead to psychosis,

dissociative states, depression, mania etc. I would think it is THE

mental illness, if there are any...

Hey, Bush Supporters: Embarrassed Yet?

************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.

[Guest guest]

Could someone please tell me how my mind can be sick, diseased? How can anyone

touch or measure my mind? Or how can my mental state be diagnosed as diseased,

ill? What then constitutes mental health, what criteria is needed to declare

someone as having a healthy mind. In fact, who does have a healthy mind? I guess

only the psychs as they claim they are the only ones who can determine if

someone is mentally ill.

My mental state is now suffering with all this talk about trying to prove

whether mental illness exists. I am reactiing mentally and emotionally to this

uncomfortable and upsetting situation, does that mean I should take some tranqs

to help me cope with my encroaching mental illness or maybe I ought to leave

this group and gain back my sense of peace in my mind.

I think all this talk is leading all of us away from the purpose of this group,

why this group was formed. We all agree, or almost all agree, that something

needs to be done about these harmful drugs, so why dont we get back to doing

something instead of arguing and trying to prove to each other what we already

know, these drugs not only damage, but kill.

Let's get back to finding ways to inform those who need to be informed about the

dangers of these drugs.

Melinda and Jayme her Silver Winged Companion

Re: PTSD

In a message dated 4/9/2007 3:09:48 PM Pacific Standard Time,

SSRI medications writes:

How is PTSD NOT a mental illness? It can lead to psychosis,

dissociative states, depression, mania etc

That's usually the result of treatment. I have read every single book on

PTSD and every scientific paper I could get my hands on and everybody agrees

that PTSD is NOT a mental illness per se. It is a reaction to trauma and how

that manifests itself can be in different ways but it is not in and of itself

a mental illness. If you are in a plane wreck and survive and then have PTSD

would you say the person is mentally ill for being afraid to fly??? Or

having panic attacks at the thought of flying? How about seeing someone maimed

and mangled in a car wreck and then the person has flashbacks? Is that person

mentally ill? No way. Your brain gets imprinted with these images of

trauma but the person is NOT MENTALLY ILL.

************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.

[Guest guest]

Could someone please tell me how my mind can be sick, diseased? How can anyone

touch or measure my mind? Or how can my mental state be diagnosed as diseased,

ill? What then constitutes mental health, what criteria is needed to declare

someone as having a healthy mind. In fact, who does have a healthy mind? I guess

only the psychs as they claim they are the only ones who can determine if

someone is mentally ill.

My mental state is now suffering with all this talk about trying to prove

whether mental illness exists. I am reactiing mentally and emotionally to this

uncomfortable and upsetting situation, does that mean I should take some tranqs

to help me cope with my encroaching mental illness or maybe I ought to leave

this group and gain back my sense of peace in my mind.

I think all this talk is leading all of us away from the purpose of this group,

why this group was formed. We all agree, or almost all agree, that something

needs to be done about these harmful drugs, so why dont we get back to doing

something instead of arguing and trying to prove to each other what we already

know, these drugs not only damage, but kill.

Let's get back to finding ways to inform those who need to be informed about the

dangers of these drugs.

Melinda and Jayme her Silver Winged Companion

Re: PTSD

In a message dated 4/9/2007 3:09:48 PM Pacific Standard Time,

SSRI medications writes:

How is PTSD NOT a mental illness? It can lead to psychosis,

dissociative states, depression, mania etc

That's usually the result of treatment. I have read every single book on

PTSD and every scientific paper I could get my hands on and everybody agrees

that PTSD is NOT a mental illness per se. It is a reaction to trauma and how

that manifests itself can be in different ways but it is not in and of itself

a mental illness. If you are in a plane wreck and survive and then have PTSD

would you say the person is mentally ill for being afraid to fly??? Or

having panic attacks at the thought of flying? How about seeing someone maimed

and mangled in a car wreck and then the person has flashbacks? Is that person

mentally ill? No way. Your brain gets imprinted with these images of

trauma but the person is NOT MENTALLY ILL.

************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.

[Guest guest]

Could someone please tell me how my mind can be sick, diseased? How can anyone

touch or measure my mind? Or how can my mental state be diagnosed as diseased,

ill? What then constitutes mental health, what criteria is needed to declare

someone as having a healthy mind. In fact, who does have a healthy mind? I guess

only the psychs as they claim they are the only ones who can determine if

someone is mentally ill.

My mental state is now suffering with all this talk about trying to prove

whether mental illness exists. I am reactiing mentally and emotionally to this

uncomfortable and upsetting situation, does that mean I should take some tranqs

to help me cope with my encroaching mental illness or maybe I ought to leave

this group and gain back my sense of peace in my mind.

I think all this talk is leading all of us away from the purpose of this group,

why this group was formed. We all agree, or almost all agree, that something

needs to be done about these harmful drugs, so why dont we get back to doing

something instead of arguing and trying to prove to each other what we already

know, these drugs not only damage, but kill.

Let's get back to finding ways to inform those who need to be informed about the

dangers of these drugs.

Melinda and Jayme her Silver Winged Companion

Re: PTSD

In a message dated 4/9/2007 3:09:48 PM Pacific Standard Time,

SSRI medications writes:

How is PTSD NOT a mental illness? It can lead to psychosis,

dissociative states, depression, mania etc

That's usually the result of treatment. I have read every single book on

PTSD and every scientific paper I could get my hands on and everybody agrees

that PTSD is NOT a mental illness per se. It is a reaction to trauma and how

that manifests itself can be in different ways but it is not in and of itself

a mental illness. If you are in a plane wreck and survive and then have PTSD

would you say the person is mentally ill for being afraid to fly??? Or

having panic attacks at the thought of flying? How about seeing someone maimed

and mangled in a car wreck and then the person has flashbacks? Is that person

mentally ill? No way. Your brain gets imprinted with these images of

trauma but the person is NOT MENTALLY ILL.

************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.

[Guest guest]

Could someone please tell me how my mind can be sick, diseased? How can anyone

touch or measure my mind? Or how can my mental state be diagnosed as diseased,

ill? What then constitutes mental health, what criteria is needed to declare

someone as having a healthy mind. In fact, who does have a healthy mind? I guess

only the psychs as they claim they are the only ones who can determine if

someone is mentally ill.

My mental state is now suffering with all this talk about trying to prove

whether mental illness exists. I am reactiing mentally and emotionally to this

uncomfortable and upsetting situation, does that mean I should take some tranqs

to help me cope with my encroaching mental illness or maybe I ought to leave

this group and gain back my sense of peace in my mind.

I think all this talk is leading all of us away from the purpose of this group,

why this group was formed. We all agree, or almost all agree, that something

needs to be done about these harmful drugs, so why dont we get back to doing

something instead of arguing and trying to prove to each other what we already

know, these drugs not only damage, but kill.

Let's get back to finding ways to inform those who need to be informed about the

dangers of these drugs.

Melinda and Jayme her Silver Winged Companion

Re: PTSD

In a message dated 4/9/2007 3:09:48 PM Pacific Standard Time,

SSRI medications writes:

How is PTSD NOT a mental illness? It can lead to psychosis,

dissociative states, depression, mania etc

That's usually the result of treatment. I have read every single book on

PTSD and every scientific paper I could get my hands on and everybody agrees

that PTSD is NOT a mental illness per se. It is a reaction to trauma and how

that manifests itself can be in different ways but it is not in and of itself

a mental illness. If you are in a plane wreck and survive and then have PTSD

would you say the person is mentally ill for being afraid to fly??? Or

having panic attacks at the thought of flying? How about seeing someone maimed

and mangled in a car wreck and then the person has flashbacks? Is that person

mentally ill? No way. Your brain gets imprinted with these images of

trauma but the person is NOT MENTALLY ILL.

************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.

[Guest guest]

I don't like the terms " mentally ill " or " mental illness " . But, in fact,

everyone with a Dx of " mental illness " has been traumatized in childhood.

Here at Friends & Families of Psychiatric Survivors, we prefer to discuss

people who have been " accused of mental illness " . And, they all have a history

of trauma.

glitterari@... wrote:

In a message dated 4/9/2007 3:09:48 PM Pacific Standard Time,

SSRI medications writes:

How is PTSD NOT a mental illness? It can lead to psychosis,

dissociative states, depression, mania etc

That's usually the result of treatment. I have read every single book on

PTSD and every scientific paper I could get my hands on and everybody agrees

that PTSD is NOT a mental illness per se. It is a reaction to trauma and how

that manifests itself can be in different ways but it is not in and of itself

a mental illness. If you are in a plane wreck and survive and then have PTSD

would you say the person is mentally ill for being afraid to fly??? Or

having panic attacks at the thought of flying? How about seeing someone maimed

and mangled in a car wreck and then the person has flashbacks? Is that person

mentally ill? No way. Your brain gets imprinted with these images of

trauma but the person is NOT MENTALLY ILL.

************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.

[Guest guest]

I don't like the terms " mentally ill " or " mental illness " . But, in fact,

everyone with a Dx of " mental illness " has been traumatized in childhood.

Here at Friends & Families of Psychiatric Survivors, we prefer to discuss

people who have been " accused of mental illness " . And, they all have a history

of trauma.

glitterari@... wrote:

In a message dated 4/9/2007 3:09:48 PM Pacific Standard Time,

SSRI medications writes:

How is PTSD NOT a mental illness? It can lead to psychosis,

dissociative states, depression, mania etc

That's usually the result of treatment. I have read every single book on

PTSD and every scientific paper I could get my hands on and everybody agrees

that PTSD is NOT a mental illness per se. It is a reaction to trauma and how

that manifests itself can be in different ways but it is not in and of itself

a mental illness. If you are in a plane wreck and survive and then have PTSD

would you say the person is mentally ill for being afraid to fly??? Or

having panic attacks at the thought of flying? How about seeing someone maimed

and mangled in a car wreck and then the person has flashbacks? Is that person

mentally ill? No way. Your brain gets imprinted with these images of

trauma but the person is NOT MENTALLY ILL.

************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.

[Guest guest]

I don't like the terms " mentally ill " or " mental illness " . But, in fact,

everyone with a Dx of " mental illness " has been traumatized in childhood.

Here at Friends & Families of Psychiatric Survivors, we prefer to discuss

people who have been " accused of mental illness " . And, they all have a history

of trauma.

glitterari@... wrote:

In a message dated 4/9/2007 3:09:48 PM Pacific Standard Time,

SSRI medications writes:

How is PTSD NOT a mental illness? It can lead to psychosis,

dissociative states, depression, mania etc

That's usually the result of treatment. I have read every single book on

PTSD and every scientific paper I could get my hands on and everybody agrees

that PTSD is NOT a mental illness per se. It is a reaction to trauma and how

that manifests itself can be in different ways but it is not in and of itself

a mental illness. If you are in a plane wreck and survive and then have PTSD

would you say the person is mentally ill for being afraid to fly??? Or

having panic attacks at the thought of flying? How about seeing someone maimed

and mangled in a car wreck and then the person has flashbacks? Is that person

mentally ill? No way. Your brain gets imprinted with these images of

trauma but the person is NOT MENTALLY ILL.

************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.

[Guest guest]

I don't like the terms " mentally ill " or " mental illness " . But, in fact,

everyone with a Dx of " mental illness " has been traumatized in childhood.

Here at Friends & Families of Psychiatric Survivors, we prefer to discuss

people who have been " accused of mental illness " . And, they all have a history

of trauma.

glitterari@... wrote:

In a message dated 4/9/2007 3:09:48 PM Pacific Standard Time,

SSRI medications writes:

How is PTSD NOT a mental illness? It can lead to psychosis,

dissociative states, depression, mania etc

That's usually the result of treatment. I have read every single book on

PTSD and every scientific paper I could get my hands on and everybody agrees

that PTSD is NOT a mental illness per se. It is a reaction to trauma and how

that manifests itself can be in different ways but it is not in and of itself

a mental illness. If you are in a plane wreck and survive and then have PTSD

would you say the person is mentally ill for being afraid to fly??? Or

having panic attacks at the thought of flying? How about seeing someone maimed

and mangled in a car wreck and then the person has flashbacks? Is that person

mentally ill? No way. Your brain gets imprinted with these images of

trauma but the person is NOT MENTALLY ILL.

************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 4/9/2007 8:59:52 PM Pacific Standard Time,

SSRI medications writes:

I thought this group was supposed to support and be against psych drugs.

Why are people out to prove that mental illness is a disease, prove these

psychs are right. Why prove anything. I want to meet people of like mind,

people who have found other ways to cope with life's problems without the

" help "

of drugs.

I want to meet people who have found life to be the problem, not chemicals

or a bad brain. If people want to believe they can be helped to cope by using

drugs, fine, but find some other forum where you can voice and be supported

because all I have to say about psych drugs and will always say about psych

drugs, they never help, only harm.

It's Larry Schreiber, M.D., a member of the Ohio Psychiatric Association.

He is the enemy because it's people like him that abused you, for which I am

so terribly sorry. He's been outed, so maybe now he'll fess up to why he's

REALLY here, but I doubt it. He is a shrink after all.

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[Guest guest]

FYI... they're currently talking about this on C-Span on the house floor

(5-20-08 at 12:30 PM EST), and so far, consensus is UNACCEPTABLE.

debbi.hicks@... wrote: I hope this is not a repost of

something I missed, but I doubt it, as

it really has shocked me. It's taken this from the middle of an

opinion article, copied as is. ( Post Traumatic Oil Price Disorder -

whole article at this link: )

http://news./s/huffpost/20080518/cm_huffpost/102222

....For example, did you know that soldiers in Iraq are not as bad off

as we thought. There's not that much Post Traumatic Stress Disorder

because it's politically inconvenient and much cheaper for the Private

Equity run White House if it goes away.

From the Washington Post:

A psychologist who helps lead the post-traumatic stress disorder

program at a medical facility for veterans in Texas told staff members

to refrain from diagnosing PTSD because so many veterans were seeking

government disability payments for the condition. " Given that we are

having more and more compensation seeking veterans, I'd like to

suggest that you refrain from giving a diagnosis of PTSD straight

out, " Norma wrote in a March 20 e-mail to mental-health

specialists and social workers at the Department of Veterans Affairs'

Olin E. Teague Veterans' Center in Temple, Tex. Instead, she

recommended that they " consider a diagnosis of Adjustment Disorder. ...

Debbi

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[Guest guest]

My dad has recently opened up about his condition with this also, as a Viet Nam veteran, he was a medic, Agent Orange was also involved. Now at 80 years of age it's affect on him is increasing since retirement. He is seeking help at Tripler Army Medical Center. Any insight would be greatly appreciated.

Aloha,

Moku

From: Jackie <jackienesler@...>Subject: PTSDqxci-english Date: Tuesday, September 9, 2008, 9:45 AM

Hi there... I was wondering if anyone has worked with someone diagnosed with PTSD? Is there a specific training program that you have found effective for reducing stress related to this condition? Thank you and many blessings to you. --Jackie

[Guest guest]

Hi Jackie,

See Dr Alistair's PTSD Protocol.

Regards,

Renier du Toit

MA(Clin.Psych.),PsyD,ND,DIHom.

Doctor of Natural Medicine

www.collegenaturalmedicine.co.za

PTSD

Hi there... I was wondering if anyone has worked with someone diagnosed with PTSD? Is there a specific training program that you have found effective for reducing stress related to this condition? Thank you and many blessings to you. --Jackie

[Guest guest]

Hi Moku,

Brain Stim (name of company) in sdale, AZ has had great success with this PTSD. Sorry, don't have the phone number but you can get it from directory assistance.

Phil

PTSDqxci-english Date: Tuesday, September 9, 2008, 9:45 AM

Hi there... I was wondering if anyone has worked with someone diagnosed with PTSD? Is there a specific training program that you have found effective for reducing stress related to this condition? Thank you and many blessings to you. --Jackie

[Guest guest]

Where do you get these Dr. Alistair's protocols?

>

> Hi Jackie,

>

> See Dr Alistair's PTSD Protocol.

>

> Regards,

>

> Renier du Toit

> MA(Clin.Psych.),PsyD,ND,DIHom.

> Doctor of Natural Medicine

> www.collegenaturalmedicine.co.za

>

>

> PTSD

>

>

> Hi there... I was wondering if anyone has worked with someone

diagnosed with PTSD? Is

> there a specific training program that you have found effective

for reducing stress related to

> this condition? Thank you and many blessings to you. --Jackie

>

[Guest guest]

Hello,

Was there and attahcment here?

Can you plesae send it directly to my address where I can receive attachments?

joni_job@...

Appreciate it,

Joni>> Hi Jackie,> > See Dr Alistair's PTSD Protocol.> > Regards,> > Renier du Toit> MA(Clin.Psych.),PsyD,ND,DIHom.> Doctor of Natural Medicine> www.collegenaturalmedicine.co.za> > > PTSD> > > Hi there... I was wondering if anyone has worked with someone diagnosed with PTSD? Is > there a specific training program that you have found effective for reducing stress related to > this condition? Thank you and many blessings to you. --Jackie>

[Guest guest]

See attached for details

you can buy on line at or email john@...

http://www.qxcisynergy.co.uk/software/bourne_protocols/

Dr Kelsey PhD, ND

Vice Chancellor- IMUNE

T: +44 (0) 121 243 6318

F: +44 (0) 870 460 1138

From: qxci-scio-epfx-english [mailto:qxci-scio-epfx-english ] On Behalf Of tracyeward65Sent: 12 September 2008 21:23qxci-scio-epfx-english Subject: Re: PTSD

Where do you get these Dr. Alistair's protocols?>> Hi Jackie,> > See Dr Alistair's PTSD Protocol.> > Regards,> > Renier du Toit> MA(Clin.Psych.),PsyD,ND,DIHom.> Doctor of Natural Medicine> www.collegenaturalmedicine.co.za> > > PTSD> > > Hi there... I was wondering if anyone has worked with someone diagnosed with PTSD? Is > there a specific training program that you have found effective for reducing stress related to > this condition? Thank you and many blessings to you. --Jackie>

[Guest guest]

dr. alistair bourne's protocols

http://www.bourneaccessories.com/

Renier du Toit MA(Clin.Psych.),PsyD,ND,DIHom. Doctor of Natural Medicinewww.collegenaturalmedicine.co.za

PTSD> > > Hi there... I was wondering if anyone has worked with someone diagnosed with PTSD? Is > there a specific training program that you have found effective for reducing stress related to > this condition? Thank you and many blessings to you. --Jackie>

[Guest guest]

Wishing your dad the best!

EFT founder Craig is offering free treatment to veterans, see his website.

www.emofree.com

Dr. is also offering free treatment to veterans. He works over the phone.

www.quantumtechniques.com

PTSDqxci-english Date: Tuesday, September 9, 2008, 9:45 AM

Hi there... I was wondering if anyone has worked with someone diagnosed with PTSD? Is there a specific training program that you have found effective for reducing stress related to this condition? Thank you and many blessings to you. --Jackie

[Guest guest]

FYI,

EFT is simply Craig’s take off on Dr.

Callahan’s Thought Field Therapy (TFT), aka the Callahan Techniques.

Please check it out and support the originator or this outstanding self-applied

method.  

From:

qxci-scio-epfx-english

[mailto:qxci-scio-epfx-english ] On Behalf Of Leann Lawrence

Sent: Saturday, September 13, 2008

12:41 PM

To:

qxci-scio-epfx-english

Subject: Re: PTSD

Wishing your dad the best!

EFT founder Craig is offering free treatment to

veterans, see his website.

www.emofree.com

Dr. is also offering free treatment to

veterans. He works over the phone.

www.quantumtechniques.com

PTSD

qxci-english

Date: Tuesday, September 9, 2008, 9:45 AM

Hi there... I was

wondering if anyone has worked with someone diagnosed with PTSD? Is

there a specific training program that you have found effective for reducing

stress related to

this condition? Thank you and many blessings to you. --Jackie

[Guest guest]

Thanks for the response.

Aloha,

Moku

From: Jackie <jackienesler@ verizon.net>Subject: PTSDqxci-englishDate: Tuesday, September 9, 2008, 9:45 AM

Hi there... I was wondering if anyone has worked with someone diagnosed with PTSD? Is there a specific training program that you have found effective for reducing stress related to this condition? Thank you and many blessings to you. --Jackie