Re: Vitamin quality

[Guest guest]

I'm not so sure about harm....but effectiveness is another issue. I

also don't like the fillers they use in cheap vitamins. I remember

reading about fillers in some Vit. C as not something you want to

ingest wholesale. I think that buying cheap vites is wasting your

money.

I'd go with a reputable manufacturer for your money's worth. The next

issue would be how is you digestive system working. That's another

way to waste money....some people never get the benefits due to

problems in their digestive tract....the vites don't get absorbed.

http://www.rxalternativemedicine.com/cheap_vitamins.php

Kit

> Am I actually harming myself by taking vitamins from WalMart (Spring

Valley brand) or are they likely better than nothing?

>

> Kathy

>

> __________________________________________________

>

[Guest guest]

Well, as far as I've read, and compared taking them to taking the real thing.... I'll take the real thing when I can... or I will order "NOW" vitamins... they seem to be pretty good. but when I had the Walmart ones...I usually took more than the recommended dosage on most cause they seemed to be not as potent as the label reads... this is my opinion.

Suzi <psalms2go4@...> wrote:

Am I actually harming myself by taking vitamins from WalMart (Spring Valley brand) or are they likely better than nothing?

Kathy

__________________________________________________

Suzi

What is a weed? A plant whose virtues have not yet been discovered.

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http://suziesgoats.wholefoodfarmacy.com/__________________________________________________

[Guest guest]

Thanks, Kit, for the info. I use Vitamin C Granules, so I guess I'm safe with that (although now I'm wondering about sugar content from what I've read here recently).

I do plan to go with better brands once I find myself a job and have some money of my own. One of the first things I will go for is cleansing and detoxing. I have been on mostly raw foods for about a month or so now, so I should be assimilating vitamins better than I was. (And, I lost twenty pounds!)

The link was helpful. It directed me to NNFA, which listed some brands of CoQ10 and Gingko that are good.

This group offers great for information for getting and staying healthy! Thank you, everyone, for all your input!

Kathy T.

kitcurtin <kitcurtin@...> wrote:

I'm not so sure about harm....but effectiveness is another issue. Ialso don't like the fillers they use in cheap vitamins. I rememberreading about fillers in some Vit. C as not something you want toingest wholesale. I think that buying cheap vites is wasting yourmoney. I'd go with a reputable manufacturer for your money's worth. The nextissue would be how is you digestive system working. That's anotherway to waste money....some people never get the benefits due toproblems in their digestive tract....the vites don't get absorbed. http://www.rxalternativemedicine.com/cheap_vitamins.phpKit --- In health , <psalms2go4@y...>

wrote:> Am I actually harming myself by taking vitamins from WalMart (SpringValley brand) or are they likely better than nothing? > > Kathy > > __________________________________________________>

[Guest guest]

From:

<psalms2go4@...>

Am I actually harming myself by taking vitamins from

WalMart (Spring Valley

brand) or are they likely better than nothing?

++++++++++++++++++++++++

Kathy,

In my opinion, I think you are wasting your money. I think nothing would be better than

these cheaply made products. Vitamin

pills are made with isolated ingredients, synthetic ingredients, artificial

colors and flavors, coal tars, fillers consisting of who knows what, etc. etc. I have stopped taking vitamin pills

altogether, and instead I supplement by diet with whole food supplements. Whole food supplements have

naturally-occurring nutrients, most likely in a balanced form, and you body

will recognize them as a food and will be able to use the nutrients from this

food. But a vitamin pill is

something foreign in your body – you never find mega doses of a vitamin

in nature, and your body usually just expels most of it.

And before you begin on a whole food supplement regimen,

you would want to make sure your body is able to draw the nutrients out of your

intestinal tract, rather than having everything impacted in there. No amount of vitamins/minerals/whole food

supplements/etc. will do anything if your digestion is not working optimally.

Carol

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

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healthy immune system?

Organic, wholefood, supplements provide

nutrients essential for the

health of people, pets and plants. http://www.bluegreensolutions.com

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[Guest guest]

Thank you, Suzi. This information supports what I heard the other day in a health food store about WalMart vitamins. Until I'm able to spend more, I think I will start increasing the dosage. That sounds like a good idea . . . assuming the filler's not too unhealthy! ;-)

Kathy T.Suzanne <suziesgoats@...> wrote:

Well, as far as I've read, and compared taking them to taking the real thing.... I'll take the real thing when I can... or I will order "NOW" vitamins... they seem to be pretty good. but when I had the Walmart ones...I usually took more than the recommended dosage on most cause they seemed to be not as potent as the label reads... this is my opinion.

Suzi <psalms2go4@...> wrote:

Am I actually harming myself by taking vitamins from WalMart (Spring Valley brand) or are they likely better than nothing?

Kathy

__________________________________________________

Suzi

What is a weed? A plant whose virtues have not yet been discovered.

www.onegrp.com/?mamanott organic cosmetics

http://suziesgoats.wholefoodfarmacy.com/

__________________________________________________

[Guest guest]

Carol,

Thanks for the reply. I never ever considered going without vitamins until I had been with this group a few months. I'm at a point in my thinking where I'm incoporating more natural nutrition but not able to break away completely yet from my dependence on natural supplements as a strong base..

Maybe I could ask you a question on whole food supplements that has me puzzled. I did try Nature's Way Alive! Whole Food Energizer some months ago, believing it was better for my body. I still believe that but have a hard time dealing with the fact that I started bleeding some and cramping and that whole mess after not having any periods for a year. I'm 52 and was enjoying a relatively balanced mood in my menopausal state. I felt much calmer in many ways without those periods and resumed that relatively blissful state some time after finishing the bottle (and beginning progesterone cream).

My Question: Why do I have to go back to having periods, and why is that healthier? Or, am I misinterpreting the effects of the whole food supplement on me?

Also, I am reconsidering my decades of megadosing with Vitamin C in light of what you've said and what I've read in this group. It is my biggest supplemental crutch, so I will need more assurance that I will be fine without it. That will probably take awhile.

Thanks, Carol, for giving me more to "chew" on!

Kathy T.

Carol Minnick <carolminnick@...> wrote:

From: <psalms2go4@...>

Am I actually harming myself by taking vitamins from WalMart (Spring Valley brand) or are they likely better than nothing?

++++++++++++++++++++++++

Kathy,

In my opinion, I think you are wasting your money. I think nothing would be better than these cheaply made products. Vitamin pills are made with isolated ingredients, synthetic ingredients, artificial colors and flavors, coal tars, fillers consisting of who knows what, etc. etc. I have stopped taking vitamin pills altogether, and instead I supplement by diet with whole food supplements. Whole food supplements have naturally-occurring nutrients, most likely in a balanced form, and you body will recognize them as a food and will be able to use the nutrients from this food. But a vitamin pill is something foreign in your body – you never find mega doses of a

vitamin in nature, and your body usually just expels most of it.

And before you begin on a whole food supplement regimen, you would want to make sure your body is able to draw the nutrients out of your intestinal tract, rather than having everything impacted in there. No amount of vitamins/minerals/whole food supplements/etc. will do anything if your digestion is not working optimally.

Carol

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Would you benefit from a more effective and healthy immune system?

Organic, wholefood, supplements provide nutrients essential for the

health of people, pets and plants. http://www.bluegreensolutions.com

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

__________________________________________________

[Guest guest]

Actually periods are not normal for women. Periods as we understand them with bleeding and cramping. There should only be a mild white discharge once a month. What we know as periods are a huge monthly cleansing! If we were as clean as our cavewomen ancestors we would have little or nothing coming out and still be fertile!

Shari who is done and glad of it!

[Guest guest]

Shari,

Is that really true? I actually think about suicide every month. Besides the hemorraging I have the pain is so bad that I have blacked out many times in many strange places! lol I am on the floor for days crying in pain and I have a high tolerance so that says alot. I have been diagnosed with endo in the past and then some. Been recommended for a hysterectomy for the past decade or so but I refuse.

Thing is that once my menses stop, the cramps begin again a few days later for the next one. my entire life is planned around it. Good thing I have no life! LOL

I guess it sounds like more and more I just need a real good washing, eh?

Thanks for that info

Tone who will celebrate when mine is done but willing to bet I will die and still have it

Actually periods are not normal for women. Periods as we understand them with bleeding and cramping. There should only be a mild white discharge once a month. What we know as periods are a huge monthly cleansing! If we were as clean as our cavewomen ancestors we would have little or nothing coming out and still be fertile!

Shari who is done and glad of it!

[Guest guest]

Well, I hated to throw mine away a few years back so I used them up... and I'm still here... lol

check out http://www.supervitaminoutlet.com/Default2.asp for vitamins

Suzi

<psalms2go4@...> wrote:

Thank you, Suzi. This information supports what I heard the other day in a health food store about WalMart vitamins. Until I'm able to spend more, I think I will start increasing the dosage. That sounds like a good idea . . . assuming the filler's not too unhealthy! ;-)

Kathy T.

Suzi

What is a weed? A plant whose virtues have not yet been discovered.

www.onegrp.com/?mamanott organic cosmetics

http://suziesgoats.wholefoodfarmacy.com/

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[Guest guest]

You want Vitamin C... take lemon peels...

Suzi <psalms2go4@...> wrote:

Also, I am reconsidering my decades of megadosing with Vitamin C in light of what you've said and what I've read in this group. It is my biggest supplemental crutch, so I will need more assurance that I will be fine without it. That will probably take awhile.

Suzi

What is a weed? A plant whose virtues have not yet been discovered.

www.onegrp.com/?mamanott organic cosmetics

http://suziesgoats.wholefoodfarmacy.com/__________________________________________________

[Guest guest]

Toni,

Start going to a more raw and juice diet... you really do need cleansing girl!

More water w/lemon too.

Suzi

(who is preaching again)Tone <tone102@...> wrote:

Shari,

Is that really true? I actually think about suicide every month. Besides the hemorraging I have the pain is so bad that I have blacked out many times in many strange places! lol I am on the floor for days crying in pain and I have a high tolerance so that says alot. I have been diagnosed with endo in the past and then some. Been recommended for a hysterectomy for the past decade or so but I refuse.

Thing is that once my menses stop, the cramps begin again a few days later for the next one. my entire life is planned around it. Good thing I have no life! LOL

I guess it sounds like more and more I just need a real good washing, eh?

Thanks for that info

Tone who will celebrate when mine is done but willing to bet I will die and still have it

Actually periods are not normal for women. Periods as we understand them with bleeding and cramping. There should only be a mild white discharge once a month. What we know as periods are a huge monthly cleansing! If we were as clean as our cavewomen ancestors we would have little or nothing coming out and still be fertile!

Shari who is done and glad of it!

Suzi

What is a weed? A plant whose virtues have not yet been discovered.

www.onegrp.com/?mamanott organic cosmetics

http://suziesgoats.wholefoodfarmacy.com/

for Good Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort.

[Guest guest]

I know Suzi. Just that things have been alittle tight but I shall. Yesterday I had some angel hair spaghetti. I was craving it so bad. I just love twirling it on the fork I think lol

Today I had a banana raw egg yolk concoction. It was eh..I put the Maca in it that I bought for my son which he will not eat.

I'll get to that cleansing soon

I am so irritable today I am screaming in here

that is so not me but damn...I am uptight!

But for you...all smiles lol And you can preach. Just you though...hehe

Thankyyou!

Toni

Toni,

Start going to a more raw and juice diet... you really do need cleansing girl!

More water w/lemon too.

Suzi

(who is preaching again)

[Guest guest]

Hi Kathy,

Some so called “natural”

supplements, such as the Nature’s Way Alive that you mentioned, are not “whole

food supplements”. For

instance, these are the ingredients of that Alive product: Amino Acids 225 mg*

Beta Carotene 10000 IU Biotin, biotin triurate 300

mcg Boron, amino acid chelate 1 mg Calcium

(Citrate/Carbonate) 250 mg Chlorophyll (from spirulina)

4 mg Choline, bitartrate 30

mg Chromium Polynicotinate 120 mcg Citrus

Bioflavonoid Complex 60 mg* Copper, amino acid chelate

2 mg Digestive Enzyme Blend 100 mg* DNA (from spirulina,

chlorella) 4 mg Eleuthero Root 50 mg Folic Acid, folate 400 mcg Garden Veggies Blend 100 mg* Green Food/Spirulina Blend 500 mg * Hesperedin

2 mg Inositol 50 mg Iodine 150 mcg Iron Amino Acid Chelate 18 mg Lutein (from

marigold) 200 mcg Magnesium (as citrate/oxide) 125 mg Manganese Amino Acid Chelate 4 mg Molybdenum Triuturate

75 mcg MycoDefense Mushroom Blend 100 mg* Niacinamide 125 mg Omega Fatty Acid Seed Blend 100 mg*

Orchard Fruits Blend 100 mg* PABA, para aminobenzoic acid 25 mg Pantothenic

Acid 125 mg Potassium amino acid chelate 50 mg

Riboflavin, vitamin B-2 25 mg RNA (from spirulina,

chlorella) 14 mg Rutin 25 mg Selenium, monomethionine 70 mcg Sodium 15 mg Thiamine, vitamin B-1 25

mg Vitamin A, retinol palmitate 5000 IU Vitamin B-12,

cyanacobalamin 200 mcg Vitamin B-6 (as pyridoxine HCl) 50 mg Vitamin C (ascorbic acid) 1 g Vitamin D3 (cholecalciferol) 400 IU Vitamin E (d-alpha tocopheryl) 200 IU Vitamin K, phytonadione

80 mcg Zinc Amino Acid Chelate 15 mg

Soooooo – you can see this is not a whole food, even though

on the label it says “whole food energizer”. Those ingredients are all isolated and

synthetically made. What I’m

talking about – whole food supplements – is just a food that has “Naturally-Occurring”

nutrients in it, nothing added. Such

as blue-green algae, bee pollen, wheat grass, etc. Personally I use the blue green algae,

since that is the most nutrient-dense food on the planet. You can get all your vitamins and

minerals from these food supplements. Of course, it depends on the company that

you get it from. There are very few

companies that understand the concept of how to take a “whole food”

and put it into a supplement form without denaturing all the nutrients and

without killing the active enzymes in that food.

Whole food supplements

do not have mega doses of anything (that is not how health works) – whole

food supplements have EVERY nutrient, some in small amounts, but it has “balanced

nutrients” – and your body recognizes it as “food” and

is able to use all of it.

Some questions you can

ask the company who makes the supplements: (1) were the veggies, grains,

fruits, etc. used, organically grown? (2) Are they free of pesticides? (3) What

fillers do they use? (4) Were they heat-processed? (heat

should not be used because it will kill the enzymes).

I’m not sure why

you would have started bleeding and cramping. Do you mean you had that AFTER you took

the “Alive” product? Maybe

there was something in the formulation that did not agree with you? I don’t know – there sure is

a lot of “stuff” in that product.

My thoughts

on Vitamin C is that it can be made by combining corn syrup and sulfuric

acid, and you come up with ascorbic acid. That has nothing to do with the “real”

Vitamin C, because the real Vitamin C is a complex nutrient that is made from

nine parts. Ascorbic acid is only

the outer shell of Vitamin C. So

when you take Vitamin C, you are actually taking only one part of the nine

parts of the complex Vitamin C, and you will create a chemical imbalance in

your body, because the body doesn’t know how to use it and process it,

unless it has the other parts (minerals, enzymes, proteins). Your body will then take minerals,

enzymes and protein from inside your bones, your tissues, and your organs, to

process this supplement – because it needs the “whole” to

work. It puts a lot of stress on

your body. Instead, eat a bell

pepper, which has 50 mg. of Vitamin C – and because it is a whole food,

it has all the other nutrients along with it, and the body can use it because

everything is combined like nature intended.

Lots to think about!

Carol

Would you benefit from a more effective and

healthy immune system?

Organic, wholefood, supplements provide

nutrients essential for the

health of people, pets and plants. http://www.bluegreensolutions.com

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

[Guest guest]

Wow, Kathy....sounds like you're on a really good track! It's pretty

hard to get a good quality C...it doesn't stop me from taking the best

I can get. I was taking a pure form of ascorbic acid from England for

awhile...I was taking such a small amount that the dose spoon that

came with the bottle was about the size of a cocaine spoon. (And,

nope I was never into cocaine!!) I now just take Ester-C...I get it

from Natrol but there are other good manufacturers out there as well.

As far as digestion goes, most nutrients are absorbed in your Small

Intestines. So depending on whether you've spent years gunking up

your microvilli will depend on the absorption of nutrients from food

or from supplements. Your plans for cleansing and detoxing is a

really good idea.

" Epithelial cells in the small intestine secrete over ½ gallon of a

neutral fluid daily to supply a watery substance to mix with the chime

and provide a substance to aid in electrolyte and vitamin absorption

through the villi. "

http://www.myvits.com/bodymech/bodymech-small_intestine.asp

People also have problems with their ileocecal valve:

" Natural health care practitioners commonly find that the ileocecal

valve can get " stuck " open or closed. When this occurs, toxic waste

products can back up into the small intestine causing various

syndromes such as sudden back pain, migraine headaches, PMS, and

allergies. When the valve is returned to a normal closed or open

position, these syndromes resolve, many times quickly. "

http://www.becomehealthynow.com/article/bodydigestive/787/

I'll post some separate posts on the SI and IV...good info to know.

Keep up the good work!

Kit

> Thanks, Kit, for the info. I use Vitamin C Granules, so I guess I'm

safe with that (although now I'm wondering about sugar content from

what I've read here recently).

>

> I do plan to go with better brands once I find myself a job and have

some money of my own. One of the first things I will go for is

cleansing and detoxing. I have been on mostly raw foods for about a

month or so now, so I should be assimilating vitamins better than I

was. (And, I lost twenty pounds!)

>

> The link was helpful. It directed me to NNFA, which listed some

brands of CoQ10 and Gingko that are good.

>

> This group offers great for information for getting and staying

healthy! Thank you, everyone, for all your input!

>

>

> Kathy T.

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

BTW: You should take supplements 5 days on and 2 days off....or you

can do 4/3...unless you're in some sort of 'repair' phase.

You can create a false dependency on supplements if you do not take a

regular break.

homeostasis

ho·me·o·sta·sis (h & #333;'m & #275;- & #333;-st & #257;'s & #301;s) pronunciation

n.

The ability or tendency of an organism or cell to maintain internal

equilibrium by adjusting its physiological processes. "

http://www.answers.com/topic/homeostasis

Kit

> Thanks, Kit, for the info.

> I do plan to go with better brands once I find myself a job and have

some money of my own. One of the first things I will go for is

cleansing and detoxing. I have been on mostly raw foods for about a

month or so now, so I should be assimilating vitamins better than I

was. (And, I lost twenty pounds!)

[Guest guest]

Wow, Carol! You sure did give me lots to think about! And it's stuff I had never heard of before. Thanks for taking the time. I will chew it over and see what more I can glean along these lines.

The bleeding started after starting the bottle of Nature's Way Alive. It was over a year ago, and I think it may have been a lot lighter than I was thinking. I haven't bled since.

Kathy T.Carol Minnick <carolminnick@...> wrote:

Hi Kathy,

Some so called “natural” supplements, such as the Nature’s Way Alive that you mentioned, are not “whole food supplements”. For instance, these are the ingredients of that Alive product: Amino Acids 225 mg* Beta Carotene 10000 IU Biotin, biotin triurate 300 mcg Boron, amino acid chelate 1 mg Calcium (Citrate/Carbonate) 250 mg Chlorophyll (from spirulina) 4 mg Choline, bitartrate 30 mg Chromium Polynicotinate 120 mcg Citrus Bioflavonoid Complex 60 mg* Copper, amino acid chelate 2 mg Digestive Enzyme Blend 100 mg* DNA (from spirulina, chlorella) 4 mg Eleuthero Root 50 mg Folic Acid,

folate 400 mcg Garden Veggies Blend 100 mg* Green Food/Spirulina Blend 500 mg * Hesperedin 2 mg Inositol 50 mg Iodine 150 mcg Iron Amino Acid Chelate 18 mg Lutein (from marigold) 200 mcg Magnesium (as citrate/oxide) 125 mg Manganese Amino Acid Chelate 4 mg Molybdenum Triuturate 75 mcg MycoDefense Mushroom Blend 100 mg* Niacinamide 125 mg Omega Fatty Acid Seed Blend 100 mg* Orchard Fruits Blend 100 mg* PABA, para aminobenzoic acid 25 mg Pantothenic Acid 125 mg Potassium amino acid chelate 50 mg Riboflavin, vitamin B-2 25 mg RNA (from spirulina, chlorella) 14 mg Rutin 25 mg

Selenium, monomethionine 70 mcg Sodium 15 mg Thiamine, vitamin B-1 25 mg Vitamin A, retinol palmitate 5000 IU Vitamin B-12, cyanacobalamin 200 mcg Vitamin B-6 (as pyridoxine HCl) 50 mg Vitamin C (ascorbic acid) 1 g Vitamin D3 (cholecalciferol) 400 IU Vitamin E (d-alpha tocopheryl) 200 IU Vitamin K, phytonadione 80 mcg Zinc Amino Acid Chelate 15 mg

Soooooo – you can see this is not a whole food, even though on the label it says “whole food energizer”. Those ingredients are all isolated and synthetically made. What I’m talking about – whole food supplements – is just a food that has “Naturally-Occurring” nutrients in it, nothing added. Such as blue-green algae, bee pollen, wheat grass, etc. Personally I use the blue green algae, since that is the most nutrient-dense food on the planet. You can get all your vitamins and minerals from

these food supplements. Of course, it depends on the company that you get it from. There are very few companies that understand the concept of how to take a “whole food” and put it into a supplement form without denaturing all the nutrients and without killing the active enzymes in that food.

Whole food supplements do not have mega doses of anything (that is not how health works) – whole food supplements have EVERY nutrient, some in small amounts, but it has “balanced nutrients” – and your body recognizes it as “food” and is able to use all of it.

Some questions you can ask the company who makes the supplements: (1) were the veggies, grains, fruits, etc. used, organically grown? (2) Are they free of pesticides? (3) What fillers do they use? (4) Were they heat-processed? (heat should not be used because it will kill the enzymes).

I’m not sure why you would have started bleeding and cramping. Do you mean you had that AFTER you took the “Alive” product? Maybe there was something in the formulation that did not agree with you? I don’t know – there sure is a lot of “stuff” in that product.

My thoughts on Vitamin C is that it can be made by combining corn syrup and sulfuric acid, and you come up with ascorbic acid. That has nothing to do with the “real” Vitamin C, because the real Vitamin C is a complex nutrient that is made from nine parts. Ascorbic acid is only the outer shell of Vitamin C. So when you take Vitamin C, you are actually taking only one part of the nine parts of the complex Vitamin C, and you will create a chemical imbalance in your body, because the body doesn’t know how to use it and process it, unless it has the other parts (minerals, enzymes, proteins). Your body will then take minerals, enzymes and protein from inside

your bones, your tissues, and your organs, to process this supplement – because it needs the “whole” to work. It puts a lot of stress on your body. Instead, eat a bell pepper, which has 50 mg. of Vitamin C – and because it is a whole food, it has all the other nutrients along with it, and the body can use it because everything is combined like nature intended.

Lots to think about!

Carol

Would you benefit from a more effective and healthy immune system?

Organic, wholefood, supplements provide nutrients essential for the

health of people, pets and plants. http://www.bluegreensolutions.com

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

for Good Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort.

[Guest guest]

Take the peels, cut them up, dry them, then grind them up and use them in drinks, food, capsulize them,,,, There is an article in the "Articles" file on lemon peels.

Rose hips is another one..

Suzi

<psalms2go4@...> wrote:

Suzi,

I haven't gotten that far in my raw food eating yet. What do you do? Grate the peels? And then what?

Kathy T.

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[Guest guest]

I don't stay on herb/vit continually, I will take breaks from all of them... always have. I don't feel the body needs continual aid, but that it needs time to work for itself.. give it a boost or a kick start and then let it work on its own doing what it is supposed to do.. I believe it gets stronger this way... but this is me....

Suzi <psalms2go4@...> wrote:

Kit,

I had read this about certain herbs. So, it applies to vitamins and other supplements, too? I had been wondering about this for a long time, especially in conjunction with water fasting.

Kathy T.kitcurtin <kitcurtin@...> wrote:

BTW: You should take supplements 5 days on and 2 days off....or youcan do 4/3...unless you're in some sort of 'repair' phase. You can create a false dependency on supplements if you do not take aregular break.

for Good Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort.

[Guest guest]

Yes, Kathy, it does apply to vitamins. It very well could apply to

water fasting, interesting you would think of it. I am not a big fan

of water fasting. (You may have joined after that discussion.) The

three homeostatic processes that could be involved are

thermoregulation, osmoregulation, and waste management.

I would say how well one could handle a water fast would depend on how

well the above processes are functioning to begin with. Then...the

hypothalamus-pituitary-adrenal axis is the regulating mechanism for

those processes. My big stink is that if someone is adrenal depleted

(these days many folks are) they should not do a water fast.

I'm abit on the fence whether they should be done at all...more than a

day or part of a day.

BTW: it will generally take a while to for your body to adjust to

excess vitamin intake. Homeostasis, here, would be a fairly slow

moving mechanism. Kit

> > Thanks, Kit, for the info.

> > I do plan to go with better brands once I find myself a job and have

> some money of my own. One of the first things I will go for is

> cleansing and detoxing. I have been on mostly raw foods for about a

> month or so now, so I should be assimilating vitamins better than I

> was. (And, I lost twenty pounds!)

>

>

>

>

>

>