5-HTP

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<< an alternative that worked better for my son

was 5-HTP (tryphophan) which is a serotonin precurser and increases

serotonin levels. >>

where did you get it? what brand

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he started on Thorne but I switched to Life Enhancement Products

somewhere along the way, original source was an out of town

practitioner he saw. Most health food stores and Supplement

providers have it.

Bernie

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after he read about the potential problem that can happen with 5HTP,

he won't take it anymore. Rose

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What potential problem did he read about? One has to be careful

about the source of rumors about such things. Not everyone is being

straight and balanced about such things. I don't know of any problem

regarding 5-HTP, but there is no comparison regarding potential adverse

effects of such as 5-HTP compared to many pharaceutacals. Almost

everything has a potential adverse effect on some person.

Bernie

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Bernie, I don't deal in rumors. I don't write in shady tones. I mean what

I write. Look at the good side of things and give my son and me credit for

what we have read. My son is a very excellent reader. I have a master's

degree from an accredited institution in education and psychology. I

believe I know how to read , too. Rose

[ ] re: 5-HTP

> after he read about the potential problem that can happen with 5HTP,

> he won't take it anymore. Rose

> **********************

> What potential problem did he read about? One has to be careful

> about the source of rumors about such things. Not everyone is being

> straight and balanced about such things. I don't know of any problem

> regarding 5-HTP, but there is no comparison regarding potential adverse

> effects of such as 5-HTP compared to many pharaceutacals. Almost

> everything has a potential adverse effect on some person.

> Bernie

>

>

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>

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Rose,

Bernie's question still remains. I'd like to know what that negative

information he read is also, so I can make my own judgements pro and con.

I've been thinking about 5-HTP trials for some time, so am thankful there

might be opposing sides to consider.

Thank you.

Minc

[ ] re: 5-HTP

>

>

> > after he read about the potential problem that can happen with 5HTP,

> > he won't take it anymore. Rose

> > **********************

> > What potential problem did he read about? One has to be careful

> > about the source of rumors about such things. Not everyone is being

> > straight and balanced about such things. I don't know of any problem

> > regarding 5-HTP, but there is no comparison regarding potential adverse

> > effects of such as 5-HTP compared to many pharaceutacals. Almost

> > everything has a potential adverse effect on some person.

> > Bernie

> >

> >

> > =======================================================

> >

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Minc, I personally have nothing against 5-HTP. When my son took it, it

helped him with his fears more than anything I have ever used. In fact,

since it had helped him so much in the past, I was trying to give it to him

again . The reason I had quit giving it to him was of something scary I

read in a book about 5 HTP. I specifically ordered this book so that I

could learn more about 5 HTP. My son read the book , too, and he didn't

like what he read about a rare, severe, adverse effect. Now, after

approaching him about taking it again, he won't take it under any

circumstance. I can't blame him for not wanting to take 5 HTP. After all,

he didn't know he was going to become severely autistic after taking the MMR

booster at age twelve. He won't let doctors touch him with injections of

any kind. That goes for bloodwork, also. My book is somewhere under all my

papers. I'll try to find it so I can write what that rare, adverse effect

is. I don't remember offhand what that adverse effect is. It has been

about a year since I read it. Rose

[ ] re: 5-HTP

> >

> >

> > > after he read about the potential problem that can happen with 5HTP,

> > > he won't take it anymore. Rose

> > > **********************

> > > What potential problem did he read about? One has to be

careful

> > > about the source of rumors about such things. Not everyone is being

> > > straight and balanced about such things. I don't know of any problem

> > > regarding 5-HTP, but there is no comparison regarding potential

adverse

> > > effects of such as 5-HTP compared to many pharaceutacals. Almost

> > > everything has a potential adverse effect on some person.

> > > Bernie

> > >

> > >

> > > =======================================================

> > >

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The possible danger with 5HTP is that it is not rate

limited. Tryptophan, I believe, is. So you couldn't

really OD on tryptophan, but could on 5HTP. You can

easily research this on the web.

Also, a very good link:

http://www.raysahelian.com/5-htp.html

Bill

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Phone: 617-549-4299

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Bernie, I don't deal in rumors. I don't write in shady tones. I mean

what I write. Look at the good side of things and give my son and me

credit for what we have read. My son is a very excellent reader. I

have a master's degree from an accredited institution in education and

psychology. I believe I know how to read , too. Rose

**************

I wasn't saying you were spreading rumors. You read what you

read. I am familiar with what I think you read and your understanding

of what it said is likely accurate. but that doesn't mean that the

source was being accurate and balanced. I've been told by someone doing

research and writing a book that is in publisher review/editing

currently something that is relevant to this discussion that I can't

disclose until after the book is published, which I hope will be soon.

It has relevance to mercury problems.

But you should also be aware there is a huge war and spin battle going

on out there regarding pharmaceuticals versis alternative, and there is

a lot of information you can't take at face value, and lack of balance

in presentation. Like, yours has possible adverse effects, we won't

mention that the alternatives have even more.

More on this after the book is published.

Bernie

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There was a report put out by the Mayo Clinic about two years ago which

stated that high dosages of 5HTP could cause some disease/condition (I can't

remember the name off hand) which is the same as the contaminent found in

that tryptophan lot caused back in the 80's. At the time I was already

giving my son 50 mgs 5htp so I called the doctors who did the study and they

assured me that in order for 5htp to be a risk, the dosage would have to be

around 800 mgs a day. Their concern was caused by an increase in use/dosage

of 5htp caused by a NBC Dateline report that linked 5htp with curing/easing

insomnia and aiding in weight reduction.

In a message dated 6/23/2001 10:41:01 AM Eastern Daylight Time,

minc@... writes:

<< Rose,

Bernie's question still remains. I'd like to know what that negative

information he read is also, so I can make my own judgements pro and con.

I've been thinking about 5-HTP trials for some time, so am thankful there

might be opposing sides to consider.

Thank you.

Minc

>>

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Bernie, we have to take responsibility for what we read regardless of who

writes it. We have to weigh the pros and the cons and decide for our own

selves what is best for our own children. Rose and Albert

[ ] re: 5-HTP

> Bernie, I don't deal in rumors. I don't write in shady tones. I mean

> what I write. Look at the good side of things and give my son and me

> credit for what we have read. My son is a very excellent reader. I

> have a master's degree from an accredited institution in education and

> psychology. I believe I know how to read , too. Rose

> **************

> I wasn't saying you were spreading rumors. You read what you

> read. I am familiar with what I think you read and your understanding

> of what it said is likely accurate. but that doesn't mean that the

> source was being accurate and balanced. I've been told by someone doing

> research and writing a book that is in publisher review/editing

> currently something that is relevant to this discussion that I can't

> disclose until after the book is published, which I hope will be soon.

> It has relevance to mercury problems.

> But you should also be aware there is a huge war and spin battle going

> on out there regarding pharmaceuticals versis alternative, and there is

> a lot of information you can't take at face value, and lack of balance

> in presentation. Like, yours has possible adverse effects, we won't

> mention that the alternatives have even more.

> More on this after the book is published.

> Bernie

>

>

>

>

> =======================================================

>

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You live with the consequences of what you do with your kids. People

who wrote this or that paper, or book, or whatever don't. Myself

included. You really do have to accept personal responsibility to

decide what is actually correct because there are so many conflicting

opinions and so many different parties advocating a supposed " medical "

position for bureaucratic or legal reasons.

Andy

> Bernie, we have to take responsibility for what we read regardless

of who

> writes it. We have to weigh the pros and the cons and decide for

our own

> selves what is best for our own children. Rose and Albert

> [ ] re: 5-HTP

>

>

> > Bernie, I don't deal in rumors. I don't write in shady tones. I

mean

> > what I write. Look at the good side of things and give my son and

me

> > credit for what we have read. My son is a very excellent reader.

I

> > have a master's degree from an accredited institution in education

and

> > psychology. I believe I know how to read , too. Rose

> > **************

> > I wasn't saying you were spreading rumors. You read what

you

> > read. I am familiar with what I think you read and your

understanding

> > of what it said is likely accurate. but that doesn't mean that

the

> > source was being accurate and balanced. I've been told by someone

doing

> > research and writing a book that is in publisher review/editing

> > currently something that is relevant to this discussion that I

can't

> > disclose until after the book is published, which I hope will be

soon.

> > It has relevance to mercury problems.

> > But you should also be aware there is a huge war and spin battle

going

> > on out there regarding pharmaceuticals versis alternative, and

there is

> > a lot of information you can't take at face value, and lack of

balance

> > in presentation. Like, yours has possible adverse effects, we

won't

> > mention that the alternatives have even more.

> > More on this after the book is published.

> > Bernie

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > =======================================================

> >

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--- Grullon <grullonm@...> wrote:

> Hi all,

>

> Can any of you tell me something about

> 5-hydroxytryptophan, 50mg

> hypo-allergenic dietary supplement suggested to help

> my son with

> hyperactivity, high frustration levels? Thanks.

>

> Best regards,

>

>

>

I've had my son on this for the past two weeks, it's

been working well. I found some information on the

internet www.thorne.com/altmedrev/fulltext/5htp3-4.

html which was very informative. When I went to

pick it up at GNC, the lady at the counter mentioned

several people who have eating disorders requesting

it. My son is very slim, so I was a little apprehen-

sive about purchasing it. So far the new baby sitter

said he's doing much better, since he's started taking

it.

The website mentioned it comes from a medicinal plant

in West Africa, I feel that God put the herbs on earth

to help us. I'd rather try the 5-htp than the drugs,

I'm an anti-prescription drug type person.

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apparently it raises blood serotonin but not brain serotonin in the

same degree and this is a problem.

http://www.lef.org/magazine/hotlines3.html

tryptophan sounds a better choice

> Hi all,

>

> Can any of you tell me something about 5-hydroxytryptophan, 50mg

> hypo-allergenic dietary supplement suggested to help my son with

> hyperactivity, high frustration levels? Thanks.

>

> Best regards,

>

>

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,

I just started my son on this today. His nutritionist recommended it

to try to restore the seratonin in his gut after trying to remove him

from zoloft and having him become very constipated. She thought it might

help with stool softening. Heck, if it also helps with high frustration

and hyperactivity, I will have an added bonus!

Phyllis

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Phyllis,

Are you also giving him pro-biotics?That helped my son alot when he was

constipated, and also lots of bottled water.

R

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Yes, he takes pro culture gold from kirkman and the only thing he drinks

is water.

phyllis

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on 24/4/03 10:48 AM, Colnes at lcolnes@... wrote:

>>>> if you accept that he is going to wake once it might be better to

> giev a small quantity of melatonin when he wakes after two hours. as

> littl as 100 mcg can be effective.<<<

>

> I have tried doing this but it doesn't seem to help him get back to sleep

> any faster. I did it the other night and he was still up for almost 3 hours

> before finally going back to sleep.

>

>

>

>>>> there is also time release avaliable from lef.org, it lasts longer,

> you could try giving that on bedtime, if you search on this board i

> have posted previously on the topic.<<<

>

> Thanks. I'll check into that kind.

>

>

>

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Hi ,

Could be Yeast issues....have you tried Caprylic Acid in the slow release

form. Your child does have to be able to swallow a capsule whole though.

marion

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Hi

When do you take the 5HTP, I mean time of day? I am getting to sleep but

night wakening and early morning is killing me I wake at the time we

should be giving doses of chelators - even when we're not on a

round.............

TIA

MAndi in UK

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,

I have been taking 5-HTP for a few months. My SIL who is a doctor recommended it

to me because I was waking up so much in the night. I had NO problem falling

asleep but would wake up 1-2 times each night for a hour or 2. The 5-HTP helped

me alot. I was moving around so much trying to sleep that my legs ached all the

time and that stopped too.

I do not know anything about giving it to children however I did want to let you

know that it worked for me. I still wake up sometimes but that is compliments of

one of the boys LOL

HTH

RE: Digest Number 1882

>>>>I tried 5-HTP for approx. 7 weeks with my son. A disaster! I knew his

serotonin was low in 2 areas of the brain because of his PET Scan showing

serotonin synthesis. No luck here - he was very irritable and noticeably

better after removing it. I also was recommended to take him off it by his

doctor at the Pfeiffer Treatment Center.

I've heard better things about Inositol. You may want to look into that.

Good Luck!

Carla<<<<

Thanks Carla. I'll check that out!

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Mandi

>>When do you take the 5HTP<<< I take it 30-45 minutes before I go to bed. That

is what my SIL said and it works for me. I take 100mg but started at 50mg for

the first few weeks. I hope it works for you, it works great for me...I do miss

all those wonderful infomercials that run at 2am (NOT) LOL

Re: 5-HTP

Hi

When do you take the 5HTP, I mean time of day? I am getting to sleep but

night wakening and early morning is killing me I wake at the time we

should be giving doses of chelators - even when we're not on a

round.............

TIA

MAndi in UK

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>>>I am also interested to learn more

regarding 5-HTP. Good things, bad things, and so on. Or, if someone

could direct me to a post message #, if you don't feel up to

rehashing something already posted. <<<

Hi there. We tried it for a while in hopes of helping with Sammy's sleep

issues but it didn't help with that at all. We saw no improvements on it so

his nutritionist toldus to stop. We tried for about 3 weeks. I THINK his

hand/eye stimming actually got a little worse on it but can't say that with

100% confidence b/c it's hard to measure that.

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5htp will put serotonin in the gut and body but not necessarily the

brain. very small doses may help with constipation.

tyrptophan will put serotonin in the brain but needs to be combined

with a low rda broad spectum b i think.

if you are giving b6 already u need to be aware that b6 converts both

5htp and tryptophan to serotonin(though 5htp is only one step

away...serotonin is 5hp? i think) so b6 will mean that all the 5htp

tends to be converted in the body and very little will reach the

brain. since the gut and brain are a unity then tryptophan is the

best option i think, though expensive, with b vits not much is needed.

> >>>I am also interested to learn more

> regarding 5-HTP. Good things, bad things, and so on. Or, if

someone

> could direct me to a post message #, if you don't feel up to

> rehashing something already posted. <<<

>

> Hi there. We tried it for a while in hopes of helping with Sammy's

sleep

> issues but it didn't help with that at all. We saw no improvements

on it so

> his nutritionist toldus to stop. We tried for about 3 weeks. I

THINK his

> hand/eye stimming actually got a little worse on it but can't say

that with

> 100% confidence b/c it's hard to measure that.

>

>

[Guest guest]

>> He still is very sensitive to

> citrus, esp. orange juice, even with enzymes.

My son cannot have oranges and many other orange foods, even with

enzymes. This is improving with chelation. If your child has

problems with orange juice with enzymes, consider removing other

orange/red/green foods, that might help.

Dana

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In a message dated 06/10/2003 02:33:30 GMT Daylight Time,

madelinemelissa@... writes:

> My son is having a new problem. Biting himself. Previously he hit

> his legs when he was upset. Never left a mark. This summer he got

> on to biting , I think because he is loosing teeth. He is biting

> his arms and legs. This is so disturbing. I am hoping maybe 5-HTP

> will help this problem. What dose do I give a 60 pound, 7 1/2 yo

> child? Thank you for any help you can give, Maddie : )

>

Sam bites and pinches if he has bacterial flare I hope you get it sorted

soon

Mandi in UK

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Do try inositol. Up to 6 grams a day.

5 HTP probably 50 mg a day. Watch for low temperature, diarrhoea, and

reduced blood pressure and stop immeidately if you think these are

occurring. If this happens it will be prompt. Otherwise it is fine.

Andy . . . .. . .

> My son is having a new problem. Biting himself. Previously he hit

> his legs when he was upset. Never left a mark. This summer he got

> on to biting , I think because he is loosing teeth. He is biting

> his arms and legs. This is so disturbing. I am hoping maybe 5-HTP

> will help this problem. What dose do I give a 60 pound, 7 1/2 yo

> child? Thank you for any help you can give, Maddie :

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Maddie, I know how distressing this is Jon has done this off and on for the past

year along with screams and hitting his face. I have also been searching for

something to calm him more and tried the 5-HTP with no help and then went to the

L-Tryptophan and built up to 2500 mgs within a month with still no difference.

Magnesium seems to help him somewhat but he still seems so distressed. This

seems the same with or without yeast issues and I am really stumped. My heart

goes out to you and I hope we can both find something real soon for them. Maybe

the 5-HTP might help for him though since our children have different chemistry.

I hope someone else has some good ideas for us both

since this is so distressing. Is he also having problems at school? Maybe this

is stress related?

[ ] 5-HTP

My son is having a new problem. Biting himself. Previously he hit

his legs when he was upset. Never left a mark. This summer he got

on to biting , I think because he is loosing teeth. He is biting

his arms and legs. This is so disturbing. I am hoping maybe 5-HTP

will help this problem. What dose do I give a 60 pound, 7 1/2 yo

child? Thank you for any help you can give, Maddie : )

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