5-HTP

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Do try inositol. Up to 6 grams a day. ***

I tried inossitol with Jon and he got worse/hyper. Is it the B's again.

do you need to keep with it for him to adjust? ( I just did one day and it

frightened me)

<<5 HTP probably 50 mg a day. Watch for low temperature, diarrhoea, and

reduced blood pressure and stop immeidately if you think these are

occurring. If this happens it will be prompt. Otherwise it is fine.>>>

Same reaction to this , I thought it was because of the B6. why would this cause

those symptoms of blood pressure?

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> My son is having a new problem. Biting himself. Previously he hit

> his legs when he was upset. Never left a mark. This summer he got

> on to biting , I think because he is loosing teeth. He is biting

> his arms and legs. >>>

Maddie, does he get red ears when he does this???

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I have not noticed red ears. He actually is much better

about " tantrumming " or " meltdowns " . They used to last up to 20

minutes. Slapping his legs was never a huge concern because

although they would turn red it would fade. The biting is leaving

bruises! I do give him B vitamins 3 times a day, a sort of B25

complex. Do you think this can cause distress? Maddie

--- In , " Prokofiew " <aprokofiew@e...>

wrote:

>

> > My son is having a new problem. Biting himself. Previously he

hit

> > his legs when he was upset. Never left a mark. This summer he

got

> > on to biting , I think because he is loosing teeth. He is

biting

> > his arms and legs. >>>

>

> Maddie, does he get red ears when he does this???

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

When my son was biting we raised his calcium and magnesium and the biting

went away. Could be the teeth too, when ever he's teething he bites, so we

give him something to chew on. Right now he has a tooth that is starting to

loosen, and has started chewing on his shirt. I don't worry about the shirt,

and send pears for snack and lunch to help ...pears don't aggravate his

yeast.

madelinemelissa wrote:

> I have not noticed red ears. He actually is much better

> about " tantrumming " or " meltdowns " . They used to last up to 20

> minutes. Slapping his legs was never a huge concern because

> although they would turn red it would fade. The biting is leaving

> bruises! I do give him B vitamins 3 times a day, a sort of B25

> complex. Do you think this can cause distress? Maddie

>

>

> >

> > > My son is having a new problem. Biting himself. Previously he

> hit

> > > his legs when he was upset. Never left a mark. This summer he

> got

> > > on to biting , I think because he is loosing teeth. He is

> biting

> > > his arms and legs. >>>

> >

> > Maddie, does he get red ears when he does this???

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

My son bites himself and others. I was told yesterday by his OT that biting

releases seratonin. They are trying some sensory stuff like massage and deep

pressure to get the seratonin that he needs so he hopefully wont need to bite.

karen

[Guest guest]

> Could someone who uses 5-htp with their child please tell me if a

dose of 150 mg a d

> ay is too much for a 12 yo, 95 pound child?

> thank you to anyone who can help me.

It should not be too much. My 8 yo 60 lb ds takes up to 200 mg per

day--it is split into two doses, 100 per time.

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 6/2/2004 10:40:39 PM Eastern Standard Time,

maxhouse8@... writes:

> Could someone who uses 5-htp with their child

Can you please tell me what you use 5-HTP for?

Thank you,

Robin

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We use it for my son's OCD. 5-htp raises serotonin levels. There

may be other uses as well.

> In a message dated 6/2/2004 10:40:39 PM Eastern Standard Time,

> maxhouse8@y... writes:

>

> > Could someone who uses 5-htp with their child

> Can you please tell me what you use 5-HTP for?

> Thank you,

> Robin

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

thank you, patricia, for responding to me.

do you happen to use GABA, too? and inositol?

Do you know what a safe dose of these would be?

the 5-htp and GABA and inositoal have made a miraculous improvement. i'm just a

stounded! i just want to know that i'm not giving too much since he is only a

child. any a

dvice on safe dose?

thanks again for responding.

cathy

> > In a message dated 6/2/2004 10:40:39 PM Eastern Standard Time,

> > maxhouse8@y... writes:

> >

> > > Could someone who uses 5-htp with their child

> > Can you please tell me what you use 5-HTP for?

> > Thank you,

> > Robin

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

,

I've used GABA and inositol. Normally I buy amino acid formulations

that contain GABA. My child is much younger than yours, so I am

careful with the GABA. I remember reading that you must not give too

much GABA. Since your child is a teen, perhaps the recommended adult

dosage on the bottle would be fine--usually those dosages are for

ages 12 and up.

How much GABA and inositol do you give? We stopped the inositol with

no noticable changes, but I keep hearing about it and wondering if I

should restart it.

I buy my 5-htp from Pain and Stress center: www.painstresscenter.com.

If you have to open the capsules, they are the best because the taste

is very bland. Also the capsules are very small. Each capsule is 50

mg.

> thank you, patricia, for responding to me.

> do you happen to use GABA, too? and inositol?

> Do you know what a safe dose of these would be?

[Guest guest]

Dear ,

Thank you so much for responding to me.

This is what I'm giving my son (almost 12--in august).

125mg a day of 5-htp split up into three doses.

225mg a day of GABA split up into 2 doses.

60 mg. a day of inositol. one dose.

All of these are approximate as I break open the caps. they come in. I didn't

want to g

ive a regular capsule to him so I break it open and divide it. It is a hassle,

but i cant f

ind smaller dose sized capsules.

Do you think this sounds like too much for him?

Thank you again for helping me.

cathy

> > thank you, patricia, for responding to me.

> > do you happen to use GABA, too? and inositol?

> > Do you know what a safe dose of these would be?

[Guest guest]

Hi Lea. I did the same thing for the longest time.

Just as I started to drift I would turn around and be

fully awake. What I noticed was sometimes I was

startled. By what? I don't know! Sometimes I would

here a very loud noise like an explosion that was only

in my " head. " I had other, different symptoms of

insomnia. On most nights my back/behind/thigh muscles

would be very, very tight making it impossible for me

to fall asleep because I wasn't relaxed. There was

nothing I could do for the muscle tension. I tried all

different kinds of hydrotherapy to get my back to

relax. Nothing seemed to work. Anyhow, I would start

to drift but it wouldn't happen because of the back

tension. Same thing... start to drift and turn around

to be fully awake. It was so common that I could

predict when I would have insomnia. I wouldn't

actually fall asleep until about 4-5 AM. I wouldn't

look at the clock through the night because I didn't

want to become discouraged, but when I heard the birds

singing as the sun rose I would just want to break down

and cry! I can't just sleep when I want because I have

responsibilities. Another thing that I noticed (over

3-4 years) is that extreme phlegm in my throat would

always proceed my muscle tension. If I laid down for

the night and I had this phlegm (thick, in the back of

my throat and up towards the nasal area,) sure enough

my muscles would be tense and of course I couldn't fall

asleep. This hasn't happened now for about 3 months.

Insomnia was becoming very regular for me, usually

twice a week. I'm confounded by it, and pray that it

doesn't come back! The only thing so far that I can

come up with is that it may be an allergic reaction to

something. Phlegm is usually an indication of

allergies. I think muscle tension is too. I have yet

to figure it out. I know this doesn't help you but

maybe we can compare notes.

Kimmie

rheumatic 5-HTP

>

>

> I'd like to hear from the group about using 5-HTP for

> insomnia. I'm

> considering taking it. Also, if there are other

> remedies that work

> for insomnia, I'd like to know about them. I've

> tried all the usual,

> cool room, no light, regular bedtime & wake up time,

> warm milk, ideas

> from Mercola's web site, etc. It's not pain that

> keeps me from

> falling asleep it's something else and even 2 sleep

> study tests do not

> show what it is. Symptoms are that I get tired, go

> to bed and start

> to drift into sleep then something in my body makes

> it take a " U " turn

> and I come right out of it into full wakefulness.

> No, I don't have

> sleep Apnea. HELP!!!!

> Lea

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 4/11/2005 11:00:45 PM Eastern Standard Time,

kimmielee@... writes:

Phlegm is usually an indication of

allergies.

I take Humibid, one in the morning and one at night, and it helps reduce

this tremendously. I'm very allergic to dust and it's everywhere.

I also take 3 Magnesium pills every night. I had read this helps you sleep

and it works for me. I didn't believe it until I took some at noon one day

and slept like a log all afternoon. After that I take it at bedtime.

Jill

[Guest guest]

Hi Lea,

Try meditation. You will find information on the web - while there are

many forms of meditation, the simplest is just to concentrate on your

breathing. If your thoughts wander, just gently guide them back to your

breathing.

If you can learn abdominal breathing then even better.

Chris.

On 12/04/2005, at 9:48 AM, leatanner01 wrote:

>

>

> I'd like to hear from the group about using 5-HTP for insomnia. I'm

> considering taking it. Also, if there are other remedies that work

> for insomnia, I'd like to know about them. I've tried all the usual,

> cool room, no light, regular bedtime & wake up time, warm milk, ideas

> from Mercola's web site, etc. It's not pain that keeps me from

> falling asleep it's something else and even 2 sleep study tests do not

> show what it is. Symptoms are that I get tired, go to bed and start

> to drift into sleep then something in my body makes it take a " U " turn

> and I come right out of it into full wakefulness. No, I don't have

> sleep Apnea. HELP!!!!

> Lea

>

>

>

>

>

>

> To unsubscribe, email: rheumatic-unsubscribeegroups

>

>

[Guest guest]

I always thought my problem was related to having done shift work when I was

younger. I met myself coming and going. I was an air traffic controller

and we changed shifts every 3 weeks in the Center, but when I went to a tower,

we changed weekly, and within some weeks worked 3 different shifts. Now day

or night it doesn't seem to matter, I can sometimes sleep and sometimes not.

It's like I have no rhythm at all!

As I said before though, the magnesium (no more than 3 a day) helps me more

than anything else I've tried. For me that's a real shock.

Maybe people with these diseases don't have a normal biorhythm or whatever

it's called. Or, conversely, not having a normal biorhythm is a precursor to

the diseases.

I'll never be convinced of the autoimmune approach. When I first read the

Scammel book, it was like reading the history of my life.

Just rattling, I'll stop now.

Jill

[Guest guest]

Hi Lea! Geoff here.

You wrote:

> I'd like to hear from the group about using 5-HTP for insomnia. I'm

> considering taking it. Also, if there are other remedies that work

> for insomnia, I'd like to know about them. I've tried all the usual,

Have you tried Hyland's Standard Homeopathic Calms Forte? If not and it were

me, that's where I would start. I would also give really, really serious

consideration to my diet. I'm not talking about the obvious caffeine here, but

about anything you taste after you've eaten it, e.g., vinegar, fried food, etc.,

and anything that causes belching or gas.

(If you have gas that does not smell, that's a good indication you need

probiotics.)

You may also want to consider Melatonin, available at Costco and Costco online.

Also, you may want to give tart cherries a very serious look

(http://tinyurl.com/52dsf). For more on this go to http://tinyurl.com/3zyct.

Also, ensure you are getting adequate amounts of calcium, magnesium and Vitamin

D in your diet, e.g., broccoli, etc., (not cow's milk.) Adequate Ca is needed

for calming, as is Mg, but excessive Mg can result in an emergency run to the

necessary, as it makes a great laxative.

If you're going to take 5-HTP, you might want to consider taking it " in context "

with other nutrients, e.g.:

Metagenics brand, product: Somnolin

L-5-Hydroxytryptophan

(L-5-HTP from Griffonia simplicifolia) 100 mg

Theanine 100 mg

Vitamin B6 20 mg

Vitamin B12 (as methylcobalamin) 250 mcg

L-5-methyl tetrahydrofolate 200 mcg

NF Formulas also makes 5-HTP. I tend to trust the Hyland's and NF items more

than off-the-shelf at " X " Mart types, but YMMV. You can find the homeopathics at

most good health food stores -- stick with the brand. HYO handles Hyland's and

NF if you can't get them locally or they are too expensive. The Metagenics you

can get in various places but beware, Doctors who sell the stuff mark it up

something awful.

Geoff

soli Deo gloria

There is no money in health.

The real money is in chronic, non-terminal disease.

www.HealingYou.org

[Guest guest]

Hi All,

I have also had similar sleep problem since I quite smoking 4 years ago.

I'm tired. I fall asleep and then I will be wide awake, or sometimes stay

awake from the beginning. I seem to fall asleep between 3-4 am. It may

have something to do with body rhythms. My body does not seem to be as

relaxed when those episodes happen, but it is not particularly stiff. It

does not seem to have any correlation to whether or not I have coffee, any

type food, exercise or activity. The insomnia seems to be an entity unto

itself. Natural things don't seem to help and I have resorted to Ambien on

occasion so I at least get a good night's sleep every now and then. It

makes such a difference. It has improved the past year, but I still have

insomnia on occasion. It has been interesting to hear of others with a

similar sleep pattern. It also would be interesting to find the real root

of the problem. A doctor of chinese medicine told me I wasn't breathing

deeply enough and it had to do with circulation. Now I try to breath more

deeply when I go to sleep as well as throughout the day. It seems to help.

[Guest guest]

I also have resorted to Ambien but my rheumatologist only allows me to take it

2-3 times/per week. Ambien helps me to go to sleep and to sleep uninterrupted

for 5-6 hours/night. This really helps since I'm trying to continue working

full-time.

[Guest guest]

I forgot to mention that I have heat pack that I often heat up in the microwave

and put under my back when I go to bed. This helps relax my back and can aid in

going drifting on off to sleep. And if I don't go to sleep, it still feels

great.

I will have to try the magnesium. Natural things appeal to me more than drugs,

and I don't like taking the Ambien unless as a last resort.

Re: rheumatic 5-HTP

I always thought my problem was related to having done shift work when I was

younger. I met myself coming and going. I was an air traffic controller and we

changed shifts every 3 weeks in the Center, but when I went to a tower, we

changed weekly, and within some weeks worked 3 different shifts. Now day or

night it doesn't seem to matter, I can sometimes sleep and sometimes not. It's

like I have no rhythm at all!

As I said before though, the magnesium (no more than 3 a day) helps me more

than anything else I've tried. For me that's a real shock.

Maybe people with these diseases don't have a normal biorhythm or whatever

it's called. Or, conversely, not having a normal biorhythm is a precursor to

the diseases.

I'll never be convinced of the autoimmune approach. When I first read the

Scammel book, it was like reading the history of my life.

Just rattling, I'll stop now.

Jill

[Guest guest]

How much magnesium do you take? I take 400 mgs at bedtime but it

doesn't help me. I also take ambien,5 mgs, and pamelor 25 mgs and it

still takes me 3 hours or so to fall asleep. I fall asleep around 3am

and twist and turn all night--mostly from pain. I think I am going to

have a sleep study done.

Carol E from NY

Jknitl@... wrote:

>I always thought my problem was related to having done shift work when I was

>younger. I met myself coming and going. I was an air traffic controller

>and we changed shifts every 3 weeks in the Center, but when I went to a tower,

>we changed weekly, and within some weeks worked 3 different shifts. Now day

>or night it doesn't seem to matter, I can sometimes sleep and sometimes not.

>It's like I have no rhythm at all!

>

>As I said before though, the magnesium (no more than 3 a day) helps me more

>than anything else I've tried. For me that's a real shock.

>

>Maybe people with these diseases don't have a normal biorhythm or whatever

>it's called. Or, conversely, not having a normal biorhythm is a precursor to

>the diseases.

>

>I'll never be convinced of the autoimmune approach. When I first read the

>Scammel book, it was like reading the history of my life.

>

>Just rattling, I'll stop now.

>

>Jill

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Someone on this list several weeks ago talked about 5-HTP for RLS. How much were you talking about?

I have been taking 100 mg 3X/day (dose in a book entitled 5-HTP - the Natural way to overcome depression, obesity and insomnia, by Murray)

It is a very good book with lots of good information.

My RLS has virtually disappeared in the 2 week time period this perosn mentioned.

mary

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>Can you have too much of this? My daughter needs it for mood

>stability. She was on lithium, but I switched it up at the advice of

>my health coach. Does anyone know if too much 5-HTP can be bad for

>you?

>Thanks, Wyndie

From Prescription for Natural Healing (Balch, 2000):

" If you take over 300mg of 5-HTP/day, you should check your

eosinophil (a type of white blood cell) levels every 3 months. "

Standard dose is 100-200mg/day, to increase the body's production of

serotonin, thus helping alleviate depression. It is NOT, to my

knowledge, indicated to promote mood stability. Lithium orotate is a

less potent form of lithium, available without prescription, and

thought to be less harmful than the lithium carbonate commonly

prescribed for mood instability associated with Bi-polar Disorder.