Enzymes

[Guest guest]

I take " essential enzymes " that I buy at the health food store. I take the

capsules with every meal. Then at the end of the meal I take the hydrocloric

acid capsule. I guess they are supposed to help my digestion system break

down food properly, so I can digest my food better, although I don't really

have serious problems with digestion (except for burping).

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 1/23/00 10:57:52 PM !!!First Boot!!!,

siuan.mcgahan@... writes:

<< I don't remember exactly which post you brought up the topic of

autoimmune disorders and protein absorption. I wanted to ask you more

about this though.

For instance, what do you think about taking digestive enzymes with

meals? Siuan>>

Hi Siuan,

Yes, I think it's very important to take digestive enzymes with your

meals. There are a lot of different digestive enzymes on the market and I

would recommend a good multiple with many different enzymes. There are

different enzymes for protein, fats, and carbohydrates. One member of the

group had a problem with bloating and discovered that her digestive enzyme

did not have the enzymes for carbohydrates. By adding a carbohydrate enzyme,

she was able to get over the bloating.

Since celiac disease is associated with eating gluten from grains,

possibly the missing enzymes are the carbohydrate enzymes. However, you

would suspect that any film that forms on the walls of the intestines which

is interfering with absorption would be protein-based and a good protein

enzyme would benefit the situation.

I think that I need to educate myself in the digestive enzymes because

these could be extremely important in overcoming thyroid disease. It's

possible that people with thyroid diseases and other autoimmune diseases are

lacking in certain digestive enzymes and this is the beginning point for

disease formation.

When I was recovering from hyperT I occasionally took digestive enzymes,

but usually found that they would increase my hyper symptoms. I now believe

that the reason for this was that I was unknowingly taking an excessive

amount of zinc (50-100 mg per day) and the digestive enzymes increased the

absorption of the zinc more than the other nutrients. When I didn't take the

enzymes, I was probably getting only a small amount of zinc into my system,

which helped my situation.

If I find out more detailed information about digestive enzymes, I'll let

you know.

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 2/20/2002 5:27:53 PM Eastern Standard Time,

meand@... writes:

<< Did take some Deflect beforehand though. >>

Does this work like an enzyme tablet? I find that when I accidently eat 3 or

4 pieces of bread, cake, etc., I take an enzyme tablet and it helps keep me

from blowing up like a tick.

Max

[Guest guest]

Max, Deflect is supposed to keep the lectins from attaching to your instestines,

or something like that,(especially wheat lectins) I always take it when I know

I'm going to " sin " . It also is supposed to help with weightloss, but I never get

really consistent and slack off after a while, so I don't know if it would help

me any.

Never tried enzymes .Am takimg Dr. D's probiotic every morning.

Emmi

[Guest guest]

I answered this in detail a few days ago , please look in the archives and you

will find it.

Hepatitis C

Dr Sharat Misra MD,DM,FACG

I am sorry if i hv posted this b4. However, cd u tell me what other

reasons would cause enzymes to be high. Please forgive me if i hv

asked this-it ws a topic in a discussion of what else besides liver

disease or hep that would cause a rise in enzymes. Thank you.

cheri

[Guest guest]

>

> Hi Bee,

>

> My son's doctor has recommended Enzymes. Is it a good idea? Will it add to

candida?

>

+++Hi . Digestive enzymes do not add to candida, but they are a waste of

money since they do not improve digestion and they are neutralized in the

stomach. The reason they don't help is explained in this article about Stomach

Acid:

http://www.healingnaturallybybee.com/articles/dig14.php

All the best, Bee

[Guest guest]

Question: Will the body produce more of them, only needing a " jump start " with

enzyme supplementation, OR: does supplementation and especially mega-dosing on

enzymes, even high-quality ones, INHIBIT the body's ability to produce them on

its own?

[i know that with age we need more anyway; but can too many, again, stop the

body from producing its own?]

If anyone can address this question, I would appreciate it!Thanks in

advance!Louise

[Guest guest]

I have found is extremely important to use enzyme supplementation to get the

body to regain the knowledge of how to create them again like in the case of

lactose intolerance.

I use high amounts of enzymes to help people recover and heal faster, for

example of kidney issues I have had excellent results with high amounts of them.

Wil Spencer VMSP, Naturopath, author, researcher

www.bodyelectrician.com

________________________________

From: Everett <louise_everet93@...>

candida group <candidiasis >

Sent: Thu, March 3, 2011 10:11:10 PM

Subject: Re: re: Enzymes

Question: Will the body produce more of them, only needing a " jump start " with

enzyme supplementation, OR: does supplementation and especially mega-dosing on

enzymes, even high-quality ones, INHIBIT the body's ability to produce them on

its own?

[i know that with age we need more anyway; but can too many, again, stop the

body from producing its own?]

If anyone can address this question, I would appreciate it!Thanks in

advance!Louise

[Guest guest]

Is there a down-side if high amounts of enzymes are used and then withdrawn? As

in the case of mega-dosing on superfood supplements, for instance?

Thanks..Lousie

From: Wil Spencer <wilspencer@...>

Subject: Re: re: Enzymes

candidiasis

Date: Thursday, March 3, 2011, 10:54 PM

I have found is extremely important to use enzyme supplementation to get the

body to regain the knowledge of how to create them again like in the case of

lactose intolerance.

I use high amounts of enzymes to help people recover and heal faster, for

example of kidney issues I have had excellent results with high amounts of them.

Wil Spencer  VMSP, Naturopath, author, researcher

www.bodyelectrician.com

________________________________

From: Everett <louise_everet93@...>

candida group <candidiasis >

Sent: Thu, March 3, 2011 10:11:10 PM

Subject: Re: re: Enzymes

 

Question: Will the body produce more of them, only needing a " jump start " with

enzyme supplementation, OR: does supplementation and especially mega-dosing on

enzymes, even high-quality ones, INHIBIT the body's ability to produce them on

its own?

[i know that with age we need more anyway; but can too many, again, stop the

body from producing its own?]

If anyone can address this question, I would appreciate it!Thanks in

advance!Louise

[Guest guest]

There are three classes of enzymes. These include plant or food enzymes, found

in all raw foods, which start food digestion; digestive enzymes, which are

secreted by the pancreas to digest our food; and metabolic enzymes, produced in

the cells to run all body processes. However, only plant enzymes initiate

digestion in the stomach, which is why when you take plant enzymes it spares the

pancreas from doing all of your digestion.

Supplemental pancreatic enzymes from an animal source will work only in an

alkaline pH of about 7.8 to 8.4. This is fine for people who tend to be too

alkaline, but pancreatic enzymes won't work at all in people who tend to be too

acid. Most people are acidic.

Papaya enzymes are not as effective as plant enzymes because papaya works at an

optimal temperature of 105 degrees F, which is warmer than normal body

temperature of 98.6 degrees. Bromelain or pineapple enzymes are even less

effective because they work at an optimal temperature of 130 degrees.

When you buy enzymes make sure they are microblended with a whole food to supply

vitamins/minerals. Enzymes need cofactors to work (which are vitamins and

minerals). Most cheap enzymes don't have this.

And do the pudding test to make sure you are buying something that actually

works. Open a capsule and stir it into a cup of pudding. The pudding should

liquify in a minute, and if it doesn't they are not going to work inside you

either. Before I found the brand I am now using, I did this test on many brands

and none of them worked.

Somebody mentioned they take the NOW brand of enzymes, but if you look at the

ingredients you will see that they are just a bunch of nothingness (ox bile and

fruity enzymes) - they won't work. They are very cheaply made with cheap

ingredients so they are very cheap to buy.

Just make sure you read the ingredients. Find out where the ingredients come

from (a lot are sourced from China). If the company won't tell you, then don't

buy their brand.

Carol

[Guest guest]

This whole idea of super food is a marketing ploy and not at all based on

electrically or biologically true science. It is not about TRUE health. We are

designed to eat WHOLE food, period. Well today we do not have food that is

complete, but I will share some of my view of super food;

We have a frequency recognition for our intake of nutrients into us and that

resides in our GI tract. This is based on the correct stomach function and a

healthy intestinal tract, which virtually is very rare today.

Everything in nature has a frequency unique to itself. The job of the body is to

recognize nourishment or toxin and adjust accordingly as the food or so called

food is ingested.

Super food is not food! Putting a broad spectrum of elements in a container and

labeling it food does not make it so or just ingesting large amounts of

elements, that nutritional science has deemed good, in hope of some of it

getting in does not make you healthy.

It is like the scientists that took all the components of a chicken egg and

mixed them together, they could not get the ingredients to make a chick. Do you

get the idea? There is a wholistic view and an electrical, or almost spiritual,

view you need to consider here.

The job of the GI tract is to break down whole food into its elemental form so

the body can then use it as it sees fit. When we ingest elements that have been

already separated and then mixed back together it confuses the body and most of

the elements are not even used or able to be used.

On an electrical view of this; as I stated before everything has its own unique

frequency. When you take a huge amount of isolated elements and mix them up with

out mixing them in a specific order or by considering the frequency changes that

are taking place as you mix them you are not creating food. In most cases you

are creating a product that is not going to be very beneficial and have the

potential of creating a toxic effect over time.

For example, we know now that taking vitamin D over time will lead to a toxic

effect, or taking vitamin C on a continual bases will lead to hardening of the

vascular system as well as digestive issues.

This is why I have taken the time to learn from 2 of the worlds top electrical

formulators on the principals and science of how the body works from an

electrical view and biological view. As the new science is stating, we are all

electrical and our biology is actually just a 3 dimensional hologram which is

slower vibrating frequencies so our senses can be aware of them.

This is the new and emerging science that you all will do well to educate

yourself about. My earth based shaman forefathers just knew and lived this

without knowing any better. It is just natural laws, we would do well to get

back in touch with them.

Keep an eye on my web site. I will be adding more information this winter and

spring regarding the new science with an old knowing.

Wil Spencer VMSP, Naturopath, author, researcher

www.bodyelectrician.com

________________________________

From: Everett <louise_everet93@...>

candidiasis

Sent: Thu, March 3, 2011 11:20:20 PM

Subject: Re: re: Enzymes

Is there a down-side if high amounts of enzymes are used and then withdrawn? As

in the case of mega-dosing on superfood supplements, for instance?

Thanks..Lousie

From: Wil Spencer <wilspencer@...>

Subject: Re: re: Enzymes

candidiasis

Date: Thursday, March 3, 2011, 10:54 PM

I have found is extremely important to use enzyme supplementation to get the

body to regain the knowledge of how to create them again like in the case of

lactose intolerance.

I use high amounts of enzymes to help people recover and heal faster, for

example of kidney issues I have had excellent results with high amounts of them.

Wil Spencer VMSP, Naturopath, author, researcher

www.bodyelectrician.com

________________________________

From: Everett <louise_everet93@...>

candida group <candidiasis >

Sent: Thu, March 3, 2011 10:11:10 PM

Subject: Re: re: Enzymes

Question: Will the body produce more of them, only needing a " jump start " with

enzyme supplementation, OR: does supplementation and especially mega-dosing on

enzymes, even high-quality ones, INHIBIT the body's ability to produce them on

its own?

[i know that with age we need more anyway; but can too many, again, stop the

body from producing its own?]

If anyone can address this question, I would appreciate it!Thanks in

advance!Louise

[Guest guest]

So then Wil, what is the difference between enzymes that are created/formulated

and put into pill/capsule form, and those that come from the body itself OR

drawn from whole foods that are living and have enzymes in them that I eat? I am

looking not just for " why " enzymes but especially " why more of them ingested " is

better than letting my body use what it would from all all all the fresh, raw

veges (60% of my diet) that I ingest.. ??? Thanks if you can help with

this..Louise (not Lousie ha)

From: Wil Spencer <wilspencer@...>

Subject: Re: re: Enzymes

candidiasis

Date: Thursday, March 3, 2011, 10:54 PM

I have found is extremely important to use enzyme supplementation to get the

body to regain the knowledge of how to create them again like in the case of

lactose intolerance.

I use high amounts of enzymes to help people recover and heal faster, for

example of kidney issues I have had excellent results with high amounts of them.

Wil Spencer  VMSP, Naturopath, author, researcher

www.bodyelectrician.com

________________________________

From: Everett <louise_everet93@...>

candida group <candidiasis >

Sent: Thu, March 3, 2011 10:11:10 PM

Subject: Re: re: Enzymes

 

Question: Will the body produce more of them, only needing a " jump start " with

enzyme supplementation, OR: does supplementation and especially mega-dosing on

enzymes, even high-quality ones, INHIBIT the body's ability to produce them on

its own?

[i know that with age we need more anyway; but can too many, again, stop the

body from producing its own?]

If anyone can address this question, I would appreciate it!Thanks in

advance!Louise

[Guest guest]

I agree with Wil on this subject with one exception that wasn't mentioned. If

the superfoods are fermented the body will love them. I've worked with

fermented superfoods for years and people just get a healthy glow from them.

The skin improves and obviously the digestion too. I met Donna Gates (after she

was on a plane from Japan and hadn't slept in a day!) and she really looked

amazing for someone over 60. Almost any food that's fermented becomes a

superfood and helps heal the gut. This is what kept people in cold climates

alive for centuries.

" Superfoods " that are just dried and powdered foods really don't benefit the

body at all unless a body is really, really starving for nutrition it could have

a short term benefit. Also people with bipolar and some other brain issues can

benefit from isolated nutrients since their brains burn them up in such

quantities they'd need to eat bushel baskets worth of food daily to get those

nutrients. Of course they should be using energy medicine as well to get this

situation balanced.

Sharon Hoehner

www.endcandidablog.com

>

> From: Wil Spencer <wilspencer@...>

> Subject: Re: re: Enzymes

> candidiasis

> Date: Thursday, March 3, 2011, 10:54 PM

>

> I have found is extremely important to use enzyme supplementation to get the

> body to regain the knowledge of how to create them again like in the case of

> lactose intolerance.

> I use high amounts of enzymes to help people recover and heal faster, for

> example of kidney issues I have had excellent results with high amounts of

them.

>

> Wil Spencer VMSP, Naturopath, author, researcher

> www.bodyelectrician.com

>

> ________________________________

> From: Everett <louise_everet93@...>

> candida group <candidiasis >

> Sent: Thu, March 3, 2011 10:11:10 PM

> Subject: Re: re: Enzymes

>

>

> Question: Will the body produce more of them, only needing a " jump start " with

> enzyme supplementation, OR: does supplementation and especially mega-dosing on

> enzymes, even high-quality ones, INHIBIT the body's ability to produce them on

> its own?

> [i know that with age we need more anyway; but can too many, again, stop the

> body from producing its own?]

>

> If anyone can address this question, I would appreciate it!Thanks in

> advance!Louise

>

>

[Guest guest]

As long as you eat raw food, those raw foods have the enzymes included to digest

that food. Your body won't have to go into overdrive to supply other enzymes to

digest those raw foods.

Your body doesn't make plant enzymes - they come only from raw plants.

So you would need plant enzymes when you eat the 40% of your diet which is

cooked.

Carol

>

> So then Wil, what is the difference between enzymes that are

created/formulated and put into pill/capsule form, and those that come from the

body itself OR drawn from whole foods that are living and have enzymes in them

that I eat? I am looking not just for " why " enzymes but especially " why more of

them ingested " is better than letting my body use what it would from all all all

the fresh, raw veges (60% of my diet) that I ingest.. ??? Thanks if you can help

with this..Louise (not Lousie ha)

[Guest guest]

The only parts of my diet that are cooked are the meats, eggs and fish.. (And

the milk which is home-cultured with unfortunately as I live in land, and

raw milk is unavailable: pasteurized organic whole milk--reckoning pasteurized

as " cooked " obviously..)

I think I have done so well for so long on the (now I know they are cheaply

made) enzymes have been using as they also contain good amounts of (yum) ox bile

and hcl.. 

Now am on the MMS/AOT I do not need the excessive amount of hcl (betaine

hydrochloride) that I did to aid in digesting proteins, *prior* to getting on

MMS/AOT.. I have been cutting back on hcl considerably with good results..

(60% of my diet is raw low-carb veges; 15% is cultured milk; 15% is meats, fish

and eggs; 5% maybe, might be the 1 piece of fruit I am testing myself on/day; 5%

is my colloidal minerals I get from Wil, some digestive aids ie hcl/nutritional

supplements/probiotic soil-borne organisms (also from Wil), spices and healthy

oils.. NO grains, NO high-carb veges and VERY limited fruit..)

(All this for folk's info, as this diet has helped me with the systemic fungus,

to help keep it in check.. The MMS/AOT however, is actually KILLING the fungus

and ELIMINATING it--far more effective than simply diet controls ever would or

could!!!)

Hope some of this helps.. Happy Friday!LouisePS I am still somewhat confused. If

the fungus was hindering my digestion of *proteins,* and hcl was prescribed to

me to aid with that (and has been working), then why enzymes? Again, the hcl

works for the proteins' digestion, so why enzymes? Thanks again!!

From: algaelady1

<carol@...>

Subject: Re: Enzymes

candidiasis

Date: Friday, March 4, 2011, 11:56 AM

As long as you eat raw food, those raw foods have the enzymes included to digest

that food.  Your body won't have to go into

overdrive to supply other enzymes to digest those raw foods. 

Your body doesn't make plant enzymes - they come only from raw plants.

So you would need plant enzymes when you eat the 40% of your diet which is

cooked.

Carol

>

> So then Wil, what is the difference between enzymes that are

created/formulated and put into pill/capsule form, and those that come from the

body itself OR drawn from whole foods that are living and have enzymes in them

that I eat? I am looking not just for " why " enzymes but especially " why more of

them ingested " is better than letting my body use what it would from all all all

the fresh, raw veges (60% of my diet) that I ingest.. ??? Thanks if you can help

with this..Louise (not Lousie

ha)

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[Guest guest]

I had used Bromelain but due to it being a salicylate had to stop. I was

thinking about Papaya too but still not sure even though it is considered low

salicylate. Then the other one I was considering was Digest Basic by Enzymatic.

I like that they don't use any fillers. With our multiple food sensitivities it

is hard to find one that works. It also cannot contain pork. Any suggestions?

[Guest guest]

With bromelain and papaya you would have to know what your pH level is, because

they both work only when your pH level is around 2 or 3. Those Digest Basic are

very cheap, so I doubt there is no filler in them, or they are just made from

cheap ingredients or the ingredients come from China.

Look for enzymes that have a whole food blended in, something that will supply

minerals. Enzymes don't work without minerals. These are the only ones I found

that have a food blended in, it is an edible organic microalgae which supplies

minerals - http://tinyurl.com/mkwo or http://tinyurl.com/ey8l

Carol

>

> I had used Bromelain but due to it being a salicylate had to stop. I was

thinking about Papaya too but still not sure even though it is considered low

salicylate. Then the other one I was considering was Digest Basic by Enzymatic.

I like that they don't use any fillers. With our multiple food sensitivities it

is hard to find one that works. It also cannot contain pork. Any suggestions?

>