Re: wheatgrass

[Guest guest]

Barb,

I've tried wheatgrass, yes. I bought the Ann Wigmore books on how to make it, bought a wheatgrass juicer, got the trays, the dirt, the spray bottle, the sprouts, I did it all! Only to find out that wheatgrass gives me tremendous brain fog!

It was great fun for my family to grow it. The kids loved it, even the cat loved it..ha ha ha (I used to catch him chomping on it, little stinker). But I had to totally give up that idea, as hard as it was to admit that something that was supposed to be so good for health was bad for me. My husband still buys it by the shot or two at the health food store on occasion. It doesn't seem to affect him too badly, and he likes taking care of himself.

All green juices, (like kale, chard, watercress, mustard greens, etc.) give me brain fog. I had tried the Gerson therapy, which is big on juicing--one glass every hour for 13 hours--and it totally left me feeling buzzed and spaced out. I couldn't take it at all, had to quit.

I have since found out that those with Hashimoto's thyroid problems are advised to avoid or severly limit cabbage, mustard greens, bok choy, kohlrabi, cress, broccoli, rutabaga, cauliflower, brussel sprouts and kale....and now I know why. I used to think there's no way these foods can be bad for anyone, they are God's gift! But it seems that the issue is cytokines....that our levels may already be too high, and these raise them even higher. Not a good thing.

Barbara, if you try wheatgrass, (and I hope you do) would you please let us know if you find it helpful or not? Do you have any brain fog now?

Patty

----- Original Message -----

From: barbsul2002

Sent: Saturday, September 13, 2003 12:39 PM

Subject: wheatgrass

Did anyone try wheatgrass? I send a copy of some info on it, I was wondering if it was beneficial

[Guest guest]

Yes I have brain fog real bad , and the spacey, unreal feeling is

worse now I dont know if it has to due with my upcoming explant. I

am feeling so weak too I am wondering how I will pull through

surgery. I will let you know if I try the wheatgrass

Barbara

In , " *~Patty~* " <fdp@l...> wrote:

> Barb,

> I've tried wheatgrass, yes. I bought the Ann Wigmore books on how

to make it, bought a wheatgrass juicer, got the trays, the dirt, the

spray bottle, the sprouts, I did it all! Only to find out that

wheatgrass gives me tremendous brain fog!

>

> It was great fun for my family to grow it. The kids loved it, even

the cat loved it..ha ha ha (I used to catch him chomping on it,

little stinker). But I had to totally give up that idea, as hard as

it was to admit that something that was supposed to be so good for

health was bad for me. My husband still buys it by the shot or two

at the health food store on occasion. It doesn't seem to affect him

too badly, and he likes taking care of himself.

>

> All green juices, (like kale, chard, watercress, mustard greens,

etc.) give me brain fog. I had tried the Gerson therapy, which is

big on juicing--one glass every hour for 13 hours--and it totally

left me feeling buzzed and spaced out. I couldn't take it at all,

had to quit.

>

> I have since found out that those with Hashimoto's thyroid problems

are advised to avoid or severly limit cabbage, mustard greens, bok

choy, kohlrabi, cress, broccoli, rutabaga, cauliflower, brussel

sprouts and kale....and now I know why. I used to think there's no

way these foods can be bad for anyone, they are God's gift! But it

seems that the issue is cytokines....that our levels may already be

too high, and these raise them even higher. Not a good thing.

>

> Barbara, if you try wheatgrass, (and I hope you do) would you

please let us know if you find it helpful or not? Do you have any

brain fog now?

> Patty

> ----- Original Message -----

> From: barbsul2002

>

> Sent: Saturday, September 13, 2003 12:39 PM

> Subject: wheatgrass

>

>

> Did anyone try wheatgrass? I send a copy of some info on it, I

was

> wondering if it was beneficial

[Guest guest]

My surgery is Sept. 24th

[Guest guest]

Barbara,

You will make it through surgery just fine. Just try to relax and focus on positive thoughts, healing thoughts and the fact that you are taking care of your body in a tremendous way by getting those implants removed. You couldn't be doing anything better for yourself than that.

When is your surgery? (So sorry if you've posted it!)

Patty

----- Original Message -----

From: barbsul2002

Sent: Saturday, September 13, 2003 1:44 PM

Subject: Re: wheatgrass

Yes I have brain fog real bad , and the spacey, unreal feeling is worse now I dont know if it has to due with my upcoming explant. I am feeling so weak too I am wondering how I will pull through surgery. I will let you know if I try the wheatgrassBarbara

[Guest guest]

> I was reading in Whole Foods Companion " about wheatgrass and it

discusses the health benefits of it. It contains SOD and P4D1(of which

I've never heard). Has anyone made it and found it useful?

>

> Phil

>

>

[Guest guest]

Phil-

>I was reading in Whole Foods Companion " about wheatgrass and it discusses

>the health benefits of it. It contains SOD and P4D1(of which I've never

>heard). Has anyone made it and found it useful?

Wheatgrass juice strikes me as the product of the insane idea that we're

supposed to be grazing herbivores.

-

[Guest guest]

How is it insane if it has benefical ingredients that are not readily found in

animal fat or protein ? Seems to me it's just another form of plant life.

Phil

Re: Wheatgrass

Phil-

>I was reading in Whole Foods Companion " about wheatgrass and it discusses

>the health benefits of it. It contains SOD and P4D1(of which I've never

>heard). Has anyone made it and found it useful?

Wheatgrass juice strikes me as the product of the insane idea that we're

supposed to be grazing herbivores.

-

[Guest guest]

Can I use a vegetable juicer? Don't really want to buy a special wheatgrass

juicer.

Phil

Re: Wheatgrass

> I was reading in Whole Foods Companion " about wheatgrass and it

discusses the health benefits of it. It contains SOD and P4D1(of which

I've never heard). Has anyone made it and found it useful?

>

> Phil

>

>

[Guest guest]

> Can I use a vegetable juicer? Don't really want to buy a special

wheatgrass juicer.

>

> Phil

> Re: Wheatgrass

>

>

> --- In , " REMOC " <REMOCLIHP@f...>

wrote:

> > I was reading in Whole Foods Companion " about wheatgrass and it

> discusses the health benefits of it. It contains SOD and P4D1(of which

> I've never heard). Has anyone made it and found it useful?

> >

> > Phil

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Phil-

>How is it insane if it has benefical ingredients that are not readily

>found in animal fat or protein ? Seems to me it's just another form of

>plant life.

I have several responses to that question.

First, our conception of what constitutes a " nutrient " is still severely

lacking. It's fashionable at the moment to speak of " phytonutrients " , for

example, but in general, a compound found in a plant is deemed a nutrient

if is found to exhibit some sort of physiological activity which is deemed

beneficial by the research community. Compounds which lower cholesterol,

for example, are dubbed " phytonutrients " even though I think most of us

would probably agree it would be more accurate to call them slow poisons or

at the very least antinutrients.

Second, if you believe in evolution, you ought to understand the idea of a

species-appropriate diet. Species evolve to digest and assimilate some

foods and not others. It's not for nothing that species adapted to

consuming grasses have evolved very elaborate and specialized digestive

apparatuses which are nowhere to be found in our systems. (The vermiform

appendix, after all, is a vestigial component of our digestive tract which

serves little or no purpose in modern man.)

Third, even when legitimate nutrients are to be found in foods our species

is ill-adapted to consume, the drawbacks of consuming those foods virtually

always outweighs any possible benefits. Antinutrients and poisons abound

in such foods.

-

[Guest guest]

Mati-

>On another note, the basis of the Ayurvedic diet for diabetes was grain

>that had been fed to livestock, recovered from their dung, washed and cooked.

Sounds like the Ayurvedic diet for diabetes was a really bad idea.

>Who's to say that this is not how early humans first began eating grain?

Grain as we know it didn't exist until we began cultivating its

ancestors. Same with pugs and dachshunds and whippets.

-

[Guest guest]

On 9/12/05, Mati Senerchia <senerchia@...> wrote:

>

> I dunno. Stomach contents of ruminants are on the menu here and there.

> It's very possible that the only thing standing between humans and

> wheatgrass is cellulose, and if steaming antelope gut porridge isn't

> available, a juicer is the next best thing.

This is the first post in the thread, and there's no quoted text. Yet

you appear to be responding to someone. Thus, I am confused.

That said, the inevitable result of wheat grass for me is itchiness at

best and an inability to breathe well at worst. Although I must say

that the Odwalla super-food drink gives me much worse breathing

problems, which combines wheat grass with chlorella, spirulina, and

some other grass juice or juices.

Primal Defense gives me no problems, and the fermentation substrate is

wheat and barley juice. I guess because it's fermented.

I don't know what menu you're talking about, but the gut contents in

an animal is pre-digested and partially fermented. I do not see how

this is any way even remotely approximated by juicing. I suppose it

would be accomplished through fermentation though.

Chris

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[Guest guest]

> >

> > I dunno. Stomach contents of ruminants are on the menu here and

there.

> > It's very possible that the only thing standing between humans and

> > wheatgrass is cellulose, and if steaming antelope gut porridge isn't

> > available, a juicer is the next best thing.

>

> This is the first post in the thread, and there's no quoted text. Yet

> you appear to be responding to someone. Thus, I am confused.

>

> That said, the inevitable result of wheat grass for me is itchiness at

> best and an inability to breathe well at worst. Although I must say

> that the Odwalla super-food drink gives me much worse breathing

> problems, which combines wheat grass with chlorella, spirulina, and

> some other grass juice or juices.

>

> Primal Defense gives me no problems, and the fermentation substrate is

> wheat and barley juice. I guess because it's fermented.

>

> I don't know what menu you're talking about, but the gut contents in

> an animal is pre-digested and partially fermented. I do not see how

> this is any way even remotely approximated by juicing. I suppose it

> would be accomplished through fermentation though.

>

> Chris

> --

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Many people do seem to have bad reactions to it, but many people will

have bad reactions to other very detoxifying things such as kombucha.

I have grown and juiced plenty of wheatgrass in the past year, and I

do feel better and have more stamina on days when I drink it. I

certainly didn't feel good when I first started drinking it, but I

must say I'm glad I kept on drinking it because I feel my organs

function much better, and I haven't gotten remotely sick in over a

year. Don't waste your money on premade products though, the only

thing you should spend money on is a stainless steel manual juicer,

and growing it should cost you nearly nothing!

[Guest guest]

On 9/12/05, gdawson6 <gdawson6@...> wrote:

> Many people do seem to have bad reactions to it, but many people will

> have bad reactions to other very detoxifying things such as kombucha.

I'm not saying my experience should be generalized to a universal, but

my reaction definitely has nothing to do with detoxing and is pretty

clearly an allergic reaction-- which is unsurprising, considering that

it's a raw grass. I would think raw grass juice would be incredibly

allergenic to most people who have a tendency towards allergies.

I've never heard of anyone having an allergic reaction to kombucha.

Detox, yes, but that's usually mild unless someone completely ignores

the advice of starting slow with it. That's not to say no one has

allergies to it-- I've just never heard from someone who has. And I

think it's pretty safe to assume that a raw grass juice is going to

produce allergies in a lot more people than fermented sugar-tea, for

pretty obvious reasons.

> I have grown and juiced plenty of wheatgrass in the past year, and I

> do feel better and have more stamina on days when I drink it. I

> certainly didn't feel good when I first started drinking it, but I

> must say I'm glad I kept on drinking it because I feel my organs

> function much better, and I haven't gotten remotely sick in over a

> year.

I'm glad to hear you have good experience with it, but I'm guessing I

might end up in the hospital or something if I continued to drink lots

of it.

> Don't waste your money on premade products though, the only

> thing you should spend money on is a stainless steel manual juicer,

> and growing it should cost you nearly nothing!

Umm... I'm not going to waste my *health and well-being* drinking

something that makes my mouth itchy and gives me asthmatic symptoms.

I've had plenty of detoxifying things even in high doses, and I'm

incredibly positive that itchiness on contact and asthmatic symptoms

are NOT detox reactions, but allergies.

Chris

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[Guest guest]

Hi-

>Many people do seem to have bad reactions to it, but many people will

>have bad reactions to other very detoxifying things such as kombucha.

I'm kind of bemused by what seems to me like the belief in some circles

that any negative reaction to something is an effect of detoxing rather

than an indication that the something just isn't good for you. By this

logic, wouldn't cyanide be a great detoxer? Or a bullet to the brain? I'm

not equating wheat grass juice with either of those (quite) but still, some

things just aren't healthy.

-

[Guest guest]

--- In , Idol <Idol@c...>

wrote:

> Mati-

>

> >On another note, the basis of the Ayurvedic diet for diabetes was

grain

> >that had been fed to livestock, recovered from their dung, washed

and cooked.

Hmmmm. I wonder how that grain differs from grain (maize) that has

been soaked in lime water?

[Guest guest]

On 9/13/05, Mati Senerchia <senerchia@...> wrote:

> It's not really that confusing -

I have no idea what you're referring to-- was I confused?

> but then, you seem to be discombobulated by

> my suggestion to look for dosing methods of difficult foods that maximize

> the pleasure : mortification of the flesh ratio.

Ok, now I'm certainly getting there.

> Apparently, feeling sick,

> if only for a few moments, is both acceptable and preferable to the " hassle "

> of enjoying it as food.

Yes, I'm confused.

> I've never been smacked so hard for a friendly

> sharing of pertinent knowledge/experience.

Why did you perceive me as " smacking " you? From what I recall I said

that I have reactions in which I'm unable to breathe when I drink

these grassy super-food drinks and at best react with itchiness in my

mouth related areas-- and then you replied by seeming to suggest I

should continue drinking it.

While, if that were my intention, I'd appreciate the suggestions on

what type of juicer to use, it seemed like you were responding to me

without listening to what I was saying. Had you not written to *me*

about what type of juicer to use, I would not even have responded.

But that you would write this to *me* after sharing experience that

clearly indicated I'm allergic to the stuff strikes me as very odd.

Actually, even dangerous. I mean, if you had a friend who said they

tried wheat juice but after a few sips they couldn't breathe well for

a few hours, would you actually feel comfortable telling them it was a

detox reaction and they should keep on drinking it? That kind of

reasoning is very dangerous in a literal sense.

I didn't mean to " smack " you, but just to respond to what you said and

explain why what I experienced was an allergy and not a detox symptom.

> I respond to a digest. Life is short. I only have so much time and

> patience to cut and paste. May I suggest that if it is difficult for you to

> keep even a tenuous grasp on threads of a conversation that is taking place

> within the same day and, my goodness, with the same heading, that some

> crucial micronutrients - say, humor and flexibility - may be lacking?

Well I respond to more than one list, and do so in and out of spending

most of my day reading and writing. I read basically a whole book

yesterday, and am on a candidasis list with 3500 or so people on it,

this list, the chapter leaders list, gluten/casein-free list, and

several others.

I'm not sure what is deficient about your email client that you do not

have a backquoting system, but I do not see why your business should

trump universal netiquette which requires selective backquoting of

relevant portions of text that you are responding to. You're the one

who is deviating from common practice. I'm not the first person to

complain about it, so I suppose if you want to alienate yourself from

the rest of the internet population by making it very difficult to

communicate with you that's your choice, but-- even if all this simply

derives from my own mental inferiority as you suggest-- there is not

really much I can do about it.

After all, if I'm just stupid, it's pretty hopeless, and if I'm

deficient in micronutrients, it has to be an absorption problem, given

the nutrient-density of my diet, and there's really nothing I can do

to resolve my digestive/absorptive issues beyond what I'm currently

doing.

I've never been on a digest, but with a good email client you should

be able to simply highlight the text and hit " reply " with only the

highlighted text appearing in backquoted form. If you wanted to be

particularly considerate to the flow of the list, you could add in the

same subject line that was being used in the thread, which would be of

great help especially to those who organize their emails by thread.

If this is too difficult, you might want to find another way of

reading lists or get a better email client (Gmail is really good for

list-reading). I obviously can't force you to do that, but the way

you respond to lists it will be absolutely inevitable that people will

have trouble following what you're writing, and others will complain

from time to time, your own mental superiority notwithstanding.

Chris

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[Guest guest]

> but with a good email client you should

> be able to simply highlight the text and hit " reply " with only the

> highlighted text appearing in backquoted form.

Oh wow. Didn't know that was possible. Anyone know how to make the full

version of Outlook do this magical thing? Doesn't work as described.

Ron

[Guest guest]

> Many people do seem to have bad reactions to it,

I had a very interesting wheatgrass experience just this past weekend.

I have been totally gluten free for 12 weeks now. After doing a little bit

of inquiry I found out that wheatgrass is indeterminate in the GF world.

Some people tolerate it, others do not. So I was at our new really cool

whole foods type store (Earth Fare) and bought a round of 1oz shots of fresh

wheatgrass juice for myself, my wife and my GF 24 yo daughter. I reacted to

it immediately with the identical sensations that I get when I drink a beer.

An instant pick-me-up. Followed by a crash. The sensation was so similar

to my former beer experiences that it helped me understand that my heavy

beer drinking in the not so deep dark past was most likely a product of my

need for the dissolved liquid highly digestible gluten as much as it was for

the alcohol. I still drink wine pretty regularly and definitely do not get

the same reaction.

My daughter reacted quickly also -- all of her mucous membranes dried up for

about a half hour.

Ron

[Guest guest]

I thought I'd give it a try but I don't want to go out and buy the trays until

I determine if it's helpful or not. I tried to find a site on the Web to show

how to grow it but everything I find is selling a book about it.If someone can

direct me to a decent site I'd appreciate it.

Phil

Re: Wheatgrass

> I was reading in Whole Foods Companion " about wheatgrass and it

discusses the health benefits of it. It contains SOD and P4D1(of which

I've never heard). Has anyone made it and found it useful?

>

> Phil

>

>

[Guest guest]

On 9/12/05, REMOC <REMOCLIHP@...> wrote:

> How is it insane if it has benefical ingredients that are not readily found

> in animal fat or protein ? Seems to me it's just another form of plant

> life.

I've never researched it, so I don't know if it's fantastic or toxic,

but I do know that I can't tolerate. Any grass is likely to be a

common allergen. For example, I'm sure you at least know one person

or more who sneezes when they're around freshly cut grass. I've tried

wheat grass juice a couple times, and it consistently makes my mouth

and throat itchy. When I tried Odwalla's super-food drink, which has

wheat and barley grass, plus chlorella and some of those super-foods,

I couldn't breathe very well for hours.

If you have a problem with allergies at all, I'd at least try it

somewhere else and see how you react to it before investing in growing

your own. If you don't have any problems with allergies, maybe you'd

be all set.

Chris

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[Guest guest]

I've decide to forgo the trouble of trying to make the stuff after I read an

article about reactions people have had to the wheatgrass; actually their

reaction was to the mold that can growm on the surface. If one plants hard

winter wheat and harvest it yourself then the re is not a mold problem and thus

no adverse reaction. Anyway I can drink kefir and kombucha and they're

certainly not the pain that making wheatgrass is.

Phil

Re: Wheatgrass

On 9/12/05, REMOC <REMOCLIHP@...> wrote:

> How is it insane if it has benefical ingredients that are not readily found

> in animal fat or protein ? Seems to me it's just another form of plant

> life.

I've never researched it, so I don't know if it's fantastic or toxic,

but I do know that I can't tolerate. Any grass is likely to be a

common allergen. For example, I'm sure you at least know one person

or more who sneezes when they're around freshly cut grass. I've tried

wheat grass juice a couple times, and it consistently makes my mouth

and throat itchy. When I tried Odwalla's super-food drink, which has

wheat and barley grass, plus chlorella and some of those super-foods,

I couldn't breathe very well for hours.

If you have a problem with allergies at all, I'd at least try it

somewhere else and see how you react to it before investing in growing

your own. If you don't have any problems with allergies, maybe you'd

be all set.

Chris

--

[Guest guest]

Is wheatgrass just sprouted wheat allowed to grow a bit? Any certain kind of wheat?

I use organic hard red wheat. I sprout it for a day or two, then plant it in some soil and put it on the windowsill and spritz it with water everyday. In about a week or so it can be cut and put through the wheatgrass juicer. I think it has to be about 8 inches high to be effective as wheat grass juice.

Gloria

[Guest guest]

Can it be made into a tea with the same benifits???

It can be made into tea but I would say nothing is as powerful as raw wheatgrass juice. Try to get the wheatgrass juicer. If it's manual, get all stainless steel. There are some that have aluminum parts and they rust. Miracle is a pretty reputable brand. If you grow the grass, the juicer is worth every penny.

Gloria