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No EO's or any smells of any sort near her right now - she has an immediate projectile vomit reaction (she can smell the plastic bags big time). I tried the nutrition in capsules and they didn't stay, so we're just not going to push anything right now like that until she's in a little better shape.

I'm looking thru my herbs to brew up a tea to add to her green tea. She can handle green tea and herbs are a wonderful source of nutrition as well as some can help get rid of the toxins. Slippery elm will be one herb for sure!!!!! She's on some serious meds to stop the vomiting and they aren't even touching it. Burdock root, alfalfa are on the top of the list I've got worked up so far.

I'll put a small spoonful of tofu or protein powder in her yogurt and see how that works also. Any creamy thick soup is not a good idea. I'd like to make up a good smoothie based on yogurt with protein in it and see if that'll work. I'm making some rejuvelac with wgheat berries instead of barley - she's allergic to barley right now. See if I can add a spoonful to her yogurt.

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It wouldn't stay down - I'm going to mix just a little bit with some other stuff to see if that works. Then start increasing the dosage as we can. I also made up some potassium broth and we'll see if that sounds good to her. It's watery.

Have you tried any ginger root tea.. to calm the stomach?

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Slippery elm for her stomach?

What about finding an EO that she loves the smell of and putting it near her when she eats?

Can she put the complete nutrition in a sippy cup or other covered cup so she can't smell it? In a zip lock bag with a straw? And drink while she holds the EO near her nose?

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Rejuvenac with rye berries also.. Have you tried any ginger root tea.. to calm the stomach? Suzibbarnyard82637@... wrote: No EO's or any smells of any sort near her right now - she has an immediate projectile vomit reaction (she can smell the plastic bags big time). I tried the nutrition in capsules and they didn't stay, so we're just not going to push anything right now like that until she's in a little better shape. I'm looking thru my herbs to brew up a tea to add to her green tea. She can handle green tea and herbs are a wonderful source of nutrition as well as some can help get rid of the toxins. Slippery elm will be one herb for sure!!!!! She's on some serious meds to stop the

vomiting and they aren't even touching it. Burdock root, alfalfa are on the top of the list I've got worked up so far. I'll put a small spoonful of tofu or protein powder in her yogurt and see how that works also. Any creamy thick soup is not a good idea. I'd like to make up a good smoothie based on yogurt with protein in it and see if that'll work. I'm making some rejuvelac with wgheat berries instead of barley - she's allergic to barley right now. See if I can add a spoonful to her yogurt. Becky Many people have eaten my cooking and gone on to lead normal lives.

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Essiac sometimes will help with the strength ...etc to help them start eating again. Gayla <goatclearing@...> wrote: Let me know what you come up with please. A friend is going through something similar right now. He has lost so much weight they won't treat him any more for the cancer because he is too weak. Even in the hospital he lost 9 1/2 pounds in 6 days. Trying to get nutrition by pouring Ensure into his feeding tube that goes directly to his small intestine. Has to sleep sitting up to keep anything down. I have suggested a few things, but he wants to get stronger before he tries anything new. Very frustrating, more to him

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My brother in law was eating tons of cheese and animal products. He was told he would heading for chemo / radiation so today was his visit to speak to dr. about his failed kidneys mass. Today dr. said his kidneys went from 30% function to now 60% functioning and he has gotten off red meat and a drug for his water retention. So far that's all I know he did. Dr. said...come back in 5 months. I suggested he still bump up dietary changes, but that's where my line is drawn unless he asks "how." Hope this will encourage others to give up meat and/or all animal products. Food for thought and no judgment. carolgbbarnyard82637@... wrote: That's rough Gayla! I am in California and he is in Pennsylvania. So I can't drop over to bully him. Too bad.

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Today dr. said his kidneys went from 30% function to now 60% functioning and he has gotten off red meat and a drug for his water retention

That's thrilling news and encouraging! :)) My friend changed her diet a long time ago and is still working on it.

Gayla - so far none of the ideas worked. Even talking about the rejuvalac caused serious heaving. Of course, just getting up out of her chair causes her to heave ho right now. The bad part is her congo african grey that automatically makes puking noises when he sees her get up. She'll think about it and get herself geared up for it and try it later on.

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How long has she been in chemo? The most recent round = All last winter for a liver turmor until June - then brain surgery and radiation July Aug Sept for brain tumors - then another tumor on her back and kidneys a week after the brain radiation stopped. 22 more days of radiation on her back, and then all of last week with chemo. What is her doctor giving her for the vomiting? They do not know what else to try she was told. They checked again for another brain tumor this week because they were afraid this isn't right and may have a cause other than chemo and meds. She still has a brain and no tumors :)). Does she have health insurance, so she can afford the drugs that will help her? Nope - but she's on some sort of program and that's not been too much of a problem so far. Has she discussed the vomiting with her doctor? For the past 3 weeks - they can't get it stopped. He's a fantastic dr that doesn't give up and does a lot of researching on her behalf. So far messing with her diet has done the most good. She lost 10# in one week. How much longer is she going to be in chemo? She'll have a scan done next week to check the back/kidney tumor - so it's possible she's done with chemo if she gets a good report. What anti-cancer chemo is she getting (I got Cisplatin and 5 FU). She was on the Cisplatin before - I don't remember what this round is - she was on it the very first time and has been on several different kinds - some that you can only use once in your lifetime. Some experimental that they didn't know would work on her cancer and did. She tells me all the names of what she takes and shows them to me, but they pass right over my head.

I figure her body is just worn out from everything she has recently gone thru. We were making progress before the chemo this past week and she lost ground again. Right before the chemo, she was getting back on solid foods and keeping them down - her blood levels were all high. She did get a blood transfusion last Thursday, but that really didn't help her energy levels. The drs are watching her very closely and we are doing all these little things like juicing and digestive enzymes that we can. She was in a panic mode last night over it all thinking she's going into starvation mode, but today was a lot better and she's willing to relax and let herself rest.

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From a friend who is going through it right now...

How long has she been in chemo? What is her doctor giving her for the vomiting? Does she have health insurance, so she can afford the drugs that will help her? Has she discussed the vomiting with her doctor? How much longer is she going to be in chemo? What anti-cancer chemo is she getting (I got Cisplatin and 5 FU).

The answers to these questions will give me a little bit of a line on what *I* can do to help. It's a helluva risk for me, BUT ... the stupid VA renewed a couple prescriptions that I got originally when I was getting chemo. I do not need them. I cannot return them. One of them only cost $15 at the drug store. The other costs $600 for 15 pills. It's a powerful drug called Zofran (ondansetron HCL 8 MG). At $40 a pill , it ought to be strong.

Get her to answer the questions above. Then get her to call her oncologist and ask about this drug. Is it dangerous? If so, I would think my doc would have told me so. All he did tell me was to take one bill every 8 hours, as needed.

Let me know what you find out. Bottom line on chemo and vomiting: My dox told me no one should ever have to go through a lot of vomiting on chemo; there are too many really good drugs to prevent it.

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Bill, I posted this to the Barn in hopes someone might help. Do you have any ideas for her? She is vomiting just trying to stand up. The awful, funny part is that she has an African Grey parrot who makes vomiting sounds when he sees her try to stand up from her chair. Not funny! Maybe it will be in 10 years.

I have a question for anyone who has had chemo. A friend of a friend has horrible vomiting and can't even stand the smell of most foods. We are looking for ideas to help her get nutrition. You can answer offlist if you want. Thanks!

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I should add that I know the things I am posting from chemo survivors are contradictory to many of the ideas here on this list. My theory is to survive however you can, live to cleanse another day.

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Becky you are doing a fantastic job. I know your support is better than meds for her right now. You are an angel!! Just keep on letting your light shine into her and she will come around.

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How long has she been in chemo? The most recent round = All last winter for a liver turmor until June - then brain surgery and radiation July Aug Sept for brain tumors - then another tumor on her back and kidneys a week after the brain radiation stopped. 22 more days of radiation on her back, and then all of last week with chemo. What is her doctor giving her for the vomiting? They do not know what else to try she was told. They checked again for another brain tumor this week because they were afraid this isn't right and may have a cause other than chemo and meds. She still has a brain and no tumors :)). Does she have health insurance, so she can afford the drugs that will help her? Nope - but she's on some sort of program and that's not been too much of a problem so far. Has she discussed the vomiting with her doctor? For the past 3 weeks - the y can't get it stopped. He's a fantastic dr that doesn't give up and does a lot of researching on her behalf. So far messing with her diet has done the most good. She lost 10# in one week. How much longer is she going to be in chemo? She'll have a scan done next week to check the back/kidney tumor - so it's possible she's done with chemo if she gets a good report. What anti-cancer chemo is she getting (I got Cisplatin and 5 FU). She was on the Cisplatin before - I don't remember what this round is - she was on it the very first time and has been on several different kinds - some that you can only use once in your lifetime. Some experimental that they didn't know would work on her cancer and did. She tells me all the names of what she takes and shows them to me, but they pass right over my head. I figure her body is just worn out from everything she has recently gone thru. We were making progress before the chemo this past week and she lost ground again. Right before the chemo, she was getting back on solid foods and keeping them down - her blood levels were all high. She did get a blood transfusion last Thursday, but that really didn't help her energy levels. The drs are watching her very closely and we are doing all these little things like juicing and digestive enzymes that we can. She was in a panic mode last night over it all thinking she's going into starvation mode, but today was a lot better and she's willing to relax and let herself rest. Becky Many people have eaten my cooking and gone on to lead normal lives.

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This is just an idea..... and I'm sure it's not the best thing in the world to eat but keeping anything down at this point would be nice.....

when I was younger and had a BAD case of pneumonia I lost 11 pounds in just a couple weeks from vomiting and not keeping food down (and I was so young I only weighed 60 pounds to begin with).

The ONLY thing I could keep down for almost a month was canned peaches and pears with the syrup rinsed off of them.

Not sure why but that was the ONLY thing that went down and stayed there. I couldn't even keep WATER down.

Just an idea.

Candace

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Stifle that bird! Oh my! that is not funny, but it is funny! And of course the noise sets her off too.

What about a castor oil pack on her stomach?

I will ask my friend in PA if he has any ideas for keeping things down. He is still loosing weight, but feeling better.

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Hi Gayla,

I've been reading all these posts about chemo and this one I had to

respond to. I agree, most of these drugs that are being suggested

are against what we believe on this list, but, it's not us that are

suffering from cancer, it's the people who are dependent on doctors

and drugs. So, we are not able to help them with natural medicine

and have to go along with whatever they want. It's a shame because

chemo is more deadly than the cancer.

Judy

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> I should add that I know the things I am posting from chemo

survivors are contradictory to many of the ideas here on this list.

My theory is to survive however you can, live to cleanse another day.

> Gayla

> Always Enough Ranch

> Acampo, California

> Check out our SALE PAGE at

> www.bouncinghoofs.com/alwaysenoughhobbysale.html

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least once a day. Elbert Hubbard

>

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If you choose chemo, take essiac with it.... I knew someone who did... it helped tremendously. suzijmb20346 <jmb20346@...> wrote: Hi Gayla,I've been reading all these posts about chemo and this one I had to respond to. I agree, most of these drugs that are being suggested are against what we believe on this list, but, it's not us that are suffering from cancer, it's the people who are dependent on doctors and drugs. So, we are not able to help them with natural medicine and have to go along with whatever they want. It's a shame because chemo is more deadly than the cancer.

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Gayla, Tell him that my friend who went thru chemo etc... said the essiac actually made him feel better - he said it lessened the pain (besides curing him)... Gayla <goatclearing@...> wrote: I sent some essiac to my friend in Pennsylvania who has had radiation, surgery and chemo. Sadly, he is not going to take it. He read the directions that said it would make him feel worse before it made him feel better and he said he could not stand it if he felt any worse. He wanted to return it to me; I told him just to hold on to it for a while. Maybe try a drop or two at a time. Maybe he will, anyway it is there for him if he chooses to use it. I offered to send him a spare juicer I have and

he refused that too. It is his life and his choice. I must honor that, even if it tears me up.

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My friend never said anything... and when I was giving it to the cats.. their bms were fine... I've taken it in the past just to take it and I can't say I noticed that much difference... SuziGayla <goatclearing@...> wrote: One other thing that concerns him about essiac is the diuretic and laxative effects it says it has. He is already having to get up to pee every half hour and I am not sure on the BMs, but a lot. Any comments from those who have taken it? Gayla Always Enough RanchAcampo, CaliforniaCheck out our SALE PAGE at www.bouncinghoofs.com/alwaysenoughhobbysale.htmlA

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--I think he could eat a banana every day.which tends to be

constipating.now,what else?I dont take essiac as I cannot get the

turkey rhubarb,but I take burdock root and sheep sorrell a lot,mostly

in the pre winter months....

- In health , " Gayla "

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> One other thing that concerns him about essiac is the diuretic and

laxative effects it says it has. He is already having to get up to

pee every half hour and I am not sure on the BMs, but a lot. Any

comments from those who have taken it?

> Gayla

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Thanks I will suggest the banana. He has only 1/4 of his stomach left, so he

may just eat a few bites. Better than nothing. I appreciate the suggestion.

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> --I think he could eat a banana every day.which tends to be

> constipating.now,what else?I dont take essiac as I cannot get the

> turkey rhubarb,but I take burdock root and sheep sorrell a lot,mostly

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>> One other thing that concerns him about essiac is the diuretic and

> laxative effects it says it has. He is already having to get up to

> pee every half hour and I am not sure on the BMs, but a lot. Any

> comments from those who have taken it?

>> Gayla

>> Always Enough Ranch

>> Acampo, California

>> Check out our SALE PAGE at

>> www.bouncinghoofs.com/alwaysenoughhobbysale.html

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>> http://coloredboers.home.att.net/always.html

>> There is no failure except in no longer trying.

>> Elbert Hubbard

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> traditional dialup connections from $13.33/month! See the demo for

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Hi Gayla,

I drink Essiac tea every day for maintenance and have absolutely no

side effects. It does it's thing silently:o)

Judy

>

> One other thing that concerns him about essiac is the diuretic and

laxative effects it says it has. He is already having to get up to

pee every half hour and I am not sure on the BMs, but a lot. Any

comments from those who have taken it?

> Gayla

> Always Enough Ranch

> Acampo, California

> Check out our SALE PAGE at

> www.bouncinghoofs.com/alwaysenoughhobbysale.html

> A day without Bill Barnhill is like a day without sunshine!

> goatclearing@b...

> http://coloredboers.home.att.net/always.html

> There is no failure except in no longer trying.

> Elbert Hubbard

>

>

>

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My cousin has been diagnosed with cancer of the tonsils. Of course he's had surgery, 84 radiation treatments and on the off days chemo. Now they are cutting him from ear to ear by way of his chest to take out his lymph nodes.

He knows what I do and what I'm about and has asked a few questions. When I asked him when he was going to change things his answer was (and I'm not lying this is what he said) "I'm waiting to feel better before I start to eat healthy." What the happy heck is that supposed to mean?!

My friend in Hawaii with Hep C is "going to start eating better AFTER Interferon".

I'm with you, I put the offer out, I gave the information, what they do with it is up to them.

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"I'm waiting to feel better before I start to eat healthy." "going to start eating better AFTER Interferon". Shari

AAAAAAARRRRRGGGGGGGGGGGG!!!!! But you are right .....nothing we can do except by example and what we can offer. I am a FAR cry from perfect in my eating and other habits, so maybe I will burn out my sorrowful energy by cleaning up my own act. Be better for me in the long run.

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hello all,

this reminds me a bit of my email to my uncle and aunt who was

diagnosed with cancer. he wrote to us about my ant that she needed

to be operated on, i mean operated! cancer everywhere and was going

to be hallowed out......... he said that there was no choice but do

this, i asked him if he wanted to think of an 3rd option, natural

healing. i told them i could send him information about natural

healing etc etc. liks... after a long time he wrote us back to ask

us not to mention this again, they had the best surgeons in

america....bla bla bla..... last time i saw him he asked what

organic ment.......... i think they don't even know what this is all

about, and she worked in a hospitol for a long time...... i don't

get it. anyhoo, i tried, it's up to them, it is their choice. rik

> My cousin has been diagnosed with cancer of the tonsils. Of

course he's had surgery, 84 radiation treatments and on the off days

chemo. Now they are cutting him from ear to ear by way of his chest

to take out his lymph nodes.

>

> He knows what I do and what I'm about and has asked a few

questions. When I asked him when he was going to change things his

answer was (and I'm not lying this is what he said) " I'm waiting to

feel better before I start to eat healthy. " What the happy heck is

that supposed to mean?!

>

> My friend in Hawaii with Hep C is " going to start eating better

AFTER Interferon " .

>

> I'm with you, I put the offer out, I gave the information, what

they do with it is up to them.

>

> Shari

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