Stress

[Guest guest]

Mike,

To my knowledge,what one should take for the adrenal support would depend on

how one's adrenal condition is.If you only have high cortisol problem than

you might make use of adaptogens or cortisol controlling agents like

Seriphos.At later stages things get little more complicated. You might need

to supplement Pregnenolone and or DHEA.You might also need some adrenal

cortex extract and raw adrenal glandular.I believe one must make a good

search before starting an adrenal supplement.Wrong supplementation may make

you worse.For example if you use DHEA when your dhea level is not low this

may suppress adrenal functioning. If you use adaptogens like panax ginseng

when your adrenals are exhausted,this may stimulate you and make you

worse.These are just couple of examples. That is what I have learned from my

research.

I am at later stages. I am currently using Pregnenolone,Adrenal cortex

extract,adrenal glandular and Seriphos. No stimulants like coffe,tea.

resting.

Thanks.

Nil

Re: Stress

| Hi Kathy and All,

| Kathy, what do you use to supplement your

| adrenal system?

|

|

| Thanks

|

| Mike

|

|

|

|

| This list is intended for patients to share personal experiences with each

other, not to give medical advice. If you are interested in any treatment

discussed here, please consult your doctor.

|

|

[Guest guest]

Hi Mike,

Like yourself, I believe in the physical laws and their governing

effect. When we achieve anything in life, it is by obedience to the

laws that predicate our receiving it. Our biggest problem at this

point is that we are not aware of all the laws that affect us. Life

is a trial and error, learn as you go, condition.

All the best,

Jim

Fibromyalgia: A Hypothesis of Etiology

http://www.xmission.com/~total/temple/index.html

> Hi Jim and All,

> I wish that I could have faith. I was

brought up

> on the science and

> the scientific method and I don't believe that there is a higher

power.

> I don't believe

> that there is a grand scheme of things. As far as I have seen in my

> life, everything

> goes according to physical laws until proven otherwise. I am not

> claiming to know

> everything and I respect people who believe.

>

>

Take

> Care

>

>

> Mike

[Guest guest]

Dear Mike,

In my former life I thrived on stress. I flew airplanes, raced cars and

sailboats and was in a very high stress, high reward profession. I was the work

hard, play hard sort and enjoyed my

life very much.

The onset of my illness came after being bitten by Brown Recluse Spiders 3X

within a month's span of time. To me, they were just the cute little brown

spiders that lived in my bathroom. It

turns out that their venom is quite poisonous, demylenating nerves, attacking

the immune system and causing severe colitis. (Hmmm, never made the colitis

connection before.)

About a month after the bites, after one of my regular sailing trips I came

down with the Flu from Hell.

I was running a business, flying all over the country, and had commitments to

clients. I simply refused to stop, although my body told me constantly to shut

down. I remember staggering to the

shower each morning and standing in the hot water, gutting up to face the day.

It got to where I would sleep 2 days, work 1. Finally, I hung it up, let my

employees go, closed my office, and

began shucking investments. In the mean time I had married a man who liked

being married to a woman who could finance his outdoor adventures and had a hard

time adjusting to the idea that we

weren't going to be living overlooking the golf course, instead in a small

duplex in a different part of town.

All of the above created severe psychological stress, and it was much harder

than some of the physical stress I put myself through backpacking, canoeing,

etc. and it has only been in the last

year that I have not had that constant psychological stress of living with an

unhappy person.

In the matter of psychological stress vs. physical stress, I have come to

the point where I simply don't physically challenge myself anymore than

necessary. I recently made a trip that

involved a 6 hour auto drive. I found that both ways I had to pull off and

sleep for about 45 minutes. For someone who used to drive semis, that seems

pretty wimpy, but absolutely necessary.

As for psychological stress, it has become a discipline to think positively,

period. If I allow myself to imagine negative consequences of anything, it

affects me physically. You may have

seen my post about using Omega 6 and 3 and ridding myself of depression. That

has helped considerably.

I also find that increasing my immunepro/IP-6 dosage helps during stressful

periods. Maybe Rich might have some thoughts about why this helps.

Beck

Mike wrote:

> Hi All,

> I have an extreme problem in dealing with stress. I think

> emotional stress

> is the hardest for me to deal with. Physical stress is also a problem.

> What happens

> is that I get easily stressed out and it makes me physically sick and

> also much harder

> for me to function mentally. The longer I am under the stress the sicker

> I get.

> At this point, when I get sicker, it takes me a real long time to

> recover and I always

> seem to lose some ground. I was wondering if other people have this

> problem.

> I would like to know if there are any substances that I can take that

> can make

> me more resistant to stress and allow me to recover faster and more

> fully.

> (Maybe I am asking for the panacea that we all want that is elusive and

> just around

> the corner). I do not want to take medications. Any ideas or help will

> be greatly

> appreciated.

>

> Thanks,

>

> Mike

>

> P.S. I was not this way all my life. It only happened as a result of

> the CFS.

> I used to to all sorts of high excitement / stress fun activities and

> handle life's

> stresses pretty well.

>

>

> This list is intended for patients to share personal experiences with each

other, not to give medical advice. If you are interested in any treatment

discussed here, please consult your doctor.

>

>

[Guest guest]

> I also find that increasing my immunepro/IP-6 dosage helps

during stressful periods. Maybe Rich might have some thoughts about

why this helps.

>

> Beck

>

Beck,

Nope, sorry, I don't know why this would help for stress. IP-6 is

known to chelate divalent metals, and probably helps to slow down the

Fenton reaction whereby iron ions catalyze the production of free

radicals, by binding iron ions. I take it because there's some

evidence that it prevents colon cancer, and I wouldn't like that to

come back! It also may help to produce IP-3, which is a signalling

molecule inside cells. ImmunePro supplies some proteins, including

quite a bit of cysteine, which helps glutathione production, and also

contains immunoglobulins, which should help immunity, and

lactoferrin, which also binds iron ions. So far I don't see how all

of this might tie into helping with stress, but it's interesting to

read that you have found this to be true.

Rich

[Guest guest]

I don't know if I'm going to word this very well, because I really struggle

with word recall, and brain fog, but I'll try to share a little of what I

thought as I read your e-mail.

Easily stressed can have a lot of factors associated with it. Weak adrenal

glands can mean not enough adrenal response, or too much adrenal response or

a shift in the cortisol circadian rhythm. Excess stress and excess adrenal

production can make the pituitary loose it's sensitivity to adrenaline, and

make it overproduce ACTH so that it stimulates too much adrenaline when

activated by stress, depleting the adrenal glands, causing a boom/bust

cycle.

Blood sugar problems can increase the demands on the adrenals, weakening

them, and problems of hypoglycemia can develop when the blood sugar levels

begin to fluctuate wildly, contributing t irritability, or less stress

tolerance because of insufficient fuel getting into the cells during times

of low blood sugar, and increasing the demands on the adrenal glands.

NMDA receptor sites in the brain can be overstimulated from excess nitric

oxide production and deplete GABA levels and stimulate excess norepinephrine

production. Long term pain or inflammation can also deplete opioids which

can contribute to depression, increased pain sensitivity, irritability, low

stress tolerance, etc. With less ability to exercise, it's harder to

stimulate the opiod neurotransmitters. Magnesium and potassium deficiencies

can increase NMDA receptor sensitivity. And magnesium deficiencies make it

harder to relax muscles.

Blockages in the Krebs cycle can affect brain chemistry causing depletion of

some neurochemicals. Over alkalinity in the blood can increase lactic acid

production, decrease oxygen carrying capacity, etc., which in turn can

increase irritability, contribute to anxiety and overreaction to stress, and

reduce stress tolerance.

Digestive difficulties can include malapsorption of stress nutrients,

leakage of toxins into the system from the intestines that can include

neurotoxins. (for example delta toxin produced by staphylococcus aureus can

act as a neurotoxin in the brain) With altered immune systems, we are more

vulnerable to more pathogens that can have unpredictable effects on our

brains and adrenal system.

Thyroid deficiencies, whether from high TSH levels, or Low T4 production, or

low T3 conversion, or reverse T3 production or thyroid resistance, can all

contribute to an inability to tolerate stress.

I'm almost overwhelmed by how complicated it can become with CFS to repair

the stress coping systems in the body and regain some adaptability with how

complicated everything can become because of the effects of CFS on our

systems.

As far as non-medication methods for managing emotional stress, you might

look into biomeridian forms of accupressure, such as EFT (Emotional Freedom

Technique) or TAT (Tapas Accupressure Technique) to help remove the

intensity of your emotions. (Here's a web site that has more information

about these and more: http://www.theamt.com/ )

You could also consider doing bioneurofeedback to retrain your brain wave

activity to lessen the emotional response. (Think of it as retraining your

brain after a stroke, only in this case it isn't a stroke, it is

intercellular metabolism problems, but to some degree you can still

stimulate it to adapt) There are bioneurofeedback devices that you can

purchase for home use, or you can find a bioneurofeedback therapist to work

with you. There are light/sound alpha wave inducers that can trigger a

relaxed state of mind to help reduce the impact of your emotions. (Although

with me they seem to trigger localized seizures that make me feel like parts

of my body are being electrocuted, so I can't personally vouch that they

work for everyone! But you never know till you try one.) Here's a couple web

sites that have more information:

http://www.pocket-neurobics.com/products.htm#Abhayamudra%20II and

http://www.siberimaging.com/

There are a lot of things that have been posted about adrenal support,

thyroid function, blood sugar control, healing leaky gut and malapsorption

problems, etc. and you might dig through the archives and see if any of it

sounds like it would be of benefit to you.

lindaj@...

Stress

> Hi All,

> I have an extreme problem in dealing with stress. I think

> emotional stress

> is the hardest for me to deal with. Physical stress is also a problem.

[Guest guest]

Hi Mike

I have this problem now too. I used to have what would be considered a high

stress job but never felt stress. Now the tiniest things are stressful and

freak me out and make me sick. So I avoid stress as much as possible.

There is no way around it, I think we all have to avoid stress. But when we

have to face stress, I find the 4,7,8 breathing method works pretty well. I

also personally practice a technique kind of like meditation called

releasing which I learned from some tapes. It allows me to quickly release

negative emotions, which at least helps. Having a great spouse to absorb

the stress for you is also terrific!

Have you tried herbs that are supposed to help with stress? I think lemon

balm is one... I am not sure how well these work for that.

Thanks,

Doris

----- Original Message -----

> I have an extreme problem in dealing with stress. I think

> emotional stress

> is the hardest for me to deal with. Physical stress is also a problem.

> What happens

> is that I get easily stressed out and it makes me physically sick and

> also much harder

> for me to function mentally. The longer I am under the stress the sicker

> I get.

> At this point, when I get sicker, it takes me a real long time to

> recover and I always

> seem to lose some ground. I was wondering if other people have this

> problem.

> I would like to know if there are any substances that I can take that

> can make

> me more resistant to stress and allow me to recover faster and more

> fully.

> (Maybe I am asking for the panacea that we all want that is elusive and

> just around

> the corner). I do not want to take medications. Any ideas or help will

> be greatly

> appreciated.

>

> Thanks,

>

> Mike

>

> P.S. I was not this way all my life. It only happened as a result of

> the CFS.

> I used to to all sorts of high excitement / stress fun activities and

> handle life's

> stresses pretty well.

>

>

>

>

> This list is intended for patients to share personal experiences with each

other, not to give medical advice. If you are interested in any treatment

discussed here, please consult your doctor.

>

>

[Guest guest]

I don't want this to denegrate into a religious discussion... but I believe

that a sense of well being is extremely important to fighting this illness.

Personally I have never believed in religion or in what people call god. I

too am a scientist. However, I have learned that there is a type of faith

that doesn't depend on god or religion. I don't know if I will be able to

describe it very well. But I will try. It is kind of an acceptance of

things as they are, and when you get to that point then you don't have to

fight it. You just believe that things will work out somehow. Or they

won't. (Buddist's call it detachment.) Ironically detachment allows you

get more engaged in your life. You do what you can to improve situations of

course, but you also realize that ultimately you do not have a lot of

control. So you just focus on what you can affect, that that is how you

live moment to moment. You make the best of each moment, you let the future

take care of itself, and then you get a kind of inner peace. That is what I

call faith, and I think anyone can get it. But it does take some work to

get there. Especially for those of us who grew up believing only in

science.

Thanks,

Doris

----- Original Message -----

From: " Mike " <mikes@...>

> Hi Jim and All,

> I wish that I could have faith. I was brought up

> on the science and

> the scientific method and I don't believe that there is a higher power.

> I don't believe

> that there is a grand scheme of things. As far as I have seen in my

> life, everything

> goes according to physical laws until proven otherwise.

[Guest guest]

Doris & All,

I don't want to start a discussion on faith matters, but I did want to

clarify that faith in God & science

are not disconnected at all. I know a good number of scientists, especially

in the area of molecular science,

who have no trouble having faith in God & in intelligent design as they look

more and more at the complexities

in a single cell and in DNA structure. Belief in random chance takes much

more faith considering

the statistical improbability of the structures somehow coming together

randomly.

Steve Du Pre

Webpage: http://www.angelfire.com/jazz/isaiah40soaringeagle/index.html

" By words the mind is winged. " Aristophanes

Doris wrote:

I don't want this to denegrate into a religious discussion... but I believe

that a sense of well being is extremely important to fighting this illness.

Personally I have never believed in religion or in what people call god. I

too am a scientist. However, I have learned that there is a type of faith

that doesn't depend on god or religion. I don't know if I will be able to

describe it very well. But I will try. It is kind of an acceptance of

things as they are, and when you get to that point then you don't have to

fight it. You just believe that things will work out somehow. Or they

won't. (Buddist's call it detachment.) Ironically detachment allows you

get more engaged in your life. You do what you can to improve situations of

course, but you also realize that ultimately you do not have a lot of

control. So you just focus on what you can affect, that that is how you

live moment to moment. You make the best of each moment, you let the future

take care of itself, and then you get a kind of inner peace. That is what I

call faith, and I think anyone can get it. But it does take some work to

get there. Especially for those of us who grew up believing only in

science.

Thanks,

Doris

----- Original Message -----

[Guest guest]

I have a friend on Effexor and she's having a lot of trouble getting off of

it? Any knowledge or ideas out there? Apparently, it has many side effects.

Pretty scarey drug.

Max

[Guest guest]

, having a person/people around you who will listen can bring

you relief, or engaging in a group's activities (taking up a hobby)

to meet new people, or maybe you will have to make painful decisions.

It depends on the sort of problems you have.

You could also try drinking hop tea (quite bitter) or lavender tea

(nice).

Hope this helps,

Rose/Hun

[Guest guest]

-Im sorry to say where we live, I have not found any friends. The

people are not to friendly. We live in Northern CA and they have

there clicks. I originally from Southern CA where they are very

friendly. I have asked others and they feel the same way. I joined

a gym but there just to busy and not interested. So I keep to

myself. I know my problems are not insurmountable just frustrating.

My husband moved me here after living in a town for 20 years. I gave

up my job, friends and even my home. At first I believe it would be

better for us but it has become a total nightmare. Instead of owning

my own home we just rent. The joke I had was, I was only one step

from being homeless. The laugh is on me because my landlord wants

his house back and now I must move again. I know you probably say

buy, but there are circumstances within the last 2 1/2 years that we

cannot buy at this time. The enron scandal depleated my

retirement,stocks and any future assets that we had. Thanks for

listening

-- In @y..., " zilahionon " <zilahionon@y...> wrote:

> , having a person/people around you who will listen can bring

>

[Guest guest]

--Donna I know if I can get through the next 8 months I can make it.

Your right I did slip the last four days though but today I have been

faithful. I do drink once in a blue moon and have thought about it

but I didnt want to gain weight. I know that it would be to easy to

totally just give up at this time. I have been trying so hard and to

fall back into a pattern of junk food would be easy. Like right now

I want a bag of chips and a soda. Thank goodness I dont buy that

stuff or have any in the house or it would be gone. I just have to

think positively and progress not recess back to my old ways.

Thanks,

- In @y..., donnamae58@a... wrote:

> ,

>

> I have been really stressed also, and have been through a lot in

the last few

> years. I have found in general that adhering to the O diet is very

helpful.

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[Guest guest]

- it's lack of fat why you are having those cravings. Saturate

your body with HB fat & and things will get better. I promise.

Love

Re: stress

--Donna I know if I can get through the next 8 months I can make it.

Your right I did slip the last four days though but today I have been

faithful. I do drink once in a blue moon and have thought about it

but I didnt want to gain weight. I know that it would be to easy to

totally just give up at this time. I have been trying so hard and to

fall back into a pattern of junk food would be easy. Like right now

I want a bag of chips and a soda. Thank goodness I dont buy that

stuff or have any in the house or it would be gone. I just have to

think positively and progress not recess back to my old ways.

Thanks,

- In @y..., donnamae58@a... wrote:

> ,

>

> I have been really stressed also, and have been through a lot in

the last few

> years. I have found in general that adhering to the O diet is very

helpful.

>-text portions of this message have been removed]

[Guest guest]

-I live in Sutter up and around the corner from you. Near Yuba City.

Thanks for advice, I have considered working but I help take care of

Grandson since his mom works all the time. I believe it would be

great if I did, it would get me out of the House. My great, great

grandparents came from Ireland on my dads side. My daughter lives in

Europe and is expecting a baby this next June. Iam trying everything

I can think of to be with her. I swore to my children I would be

there for my grandchildren since there grandparents were not there

for them. Boy its a tuff decision, I was hoping we could stay where

we are until next August. But Iam beating a path to find a new home

soon for us. I guess this wouldn't bother me except the fact that my

son is hurting and I cant change was has gone on. We moved to make

it better for him. Since the school was not that good where we used

to live. The school he is in is great but he has the same problems

of not fitting in, mind you he is very personable and if people would

give him a chance. They would found out what a great kid he is and

fun to be around. Thanks for everything and I believe I have found a

riend.

-- In @y..., donnamae58@a... wrote:

> ,

>

> It sounds like you have been isolated since your move to No.

California.

> FYI, I live in the SF Bay Area, grew up in the LA area. I have to

agree with

[Guest guest]

What is HB fat? Thanks, Debra

" Dekany "

<info@foodforyour

blood.com> cc:

Subject: RE: Re:

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11/11/2002 08:36

PM

Please respond to

- it's lack of fat why you are having those cravings. Saturate

your body with HB fat & and things will get better. I promise.

Love

Re: stress

--Donna I know if I can get through the next 8 months I can make it.

Your right I did slip the last four days though but today I have been

faithful.  I do drink once in a blue moon and have thought about it

but I didnt want to gain weight.  I know that it would be to easy to

totally just give up at this time.  I have been trying so hard and to

fall back into a pattern of junk food would be easy.  Like right now

I want a bag of chips and a soda.  Thank goodness I dont buy that

stuff or have any in the house or it would be gone.  I just have to

think positively and progress not recess back to my old ways.

Thanks,

- In @y..., donnamae58@a... wrote:

> ,

>

> I have been really stressed also, and have been through a lot in

the last few

> years.  I have found in general that adhering to the O diet is very

helpful.

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[Guest guest]

Highly Beneficial

debra.wallin@... wrote:

What is HB fat? Thanks, Debra

" Dekany "

<info@foodforyour

blood.com> cc:

Subject: RE: Re:

stress

11/11/2002 08:36

PM

Please respond to

- it's lack of fat why you are having those cravings. Saturate

your body with HB fat & and things will get better. I promise.

Love

Re: stress

--Donna I know if I can get through the next 8 months I can make it.

Your right I did slip the last four days though but today I have been

faithful. I do drink once in a blue moon and have thought about it

but I didnt want to gain weight. I know that it would be to easy to

totally just give up at this time. I have been trying so hard and to

fall back into a pattern of junk food would be easy. Like right now

I want a bag of chips and a soda. Thank goodness I dont buy that

stuff or have any in the house or it would be gone. I just have to

think positively and progress not recess back to my old ways.

Thanks,

- In @y..., donnamae58@a... wrote:

> ,

>

> I have been really stressed also, and have been through a lot in

the last few

> years. I have found in general that adhering to the O diet is very

helpful.

>-text portions of this message have been removed]

[Guest guest]

Olive/flax

Re: stress

--Donna I know if I can get through the next 8 months I can make it.

Your right I did slip the last four days though but today I have been

faithful. I do drink once in a blue moon and have thought about it

but I didnt want to gain weight. I know that it would be to easy to

totally just give up at this time. I have been trying so hard and to

fall back into a pattern of junk food would be easy. Like right now

I want a bag of chips and a soda. Thank goodness I dont buy that

stuff or have any in the house or it would be gone. I just have to

think positively and progress not recess back to my old ways.

Thanks,

- In @y..., donnamae58@a... wrote:

> ,

>

> I have been really stressed also, and have been through a lot in

the last few

> years. I have found in general that adhering to the O diet is very

helpful.

>-text portions of this message have been removed]

[Guest guest]

-Donna

I cant help out at my grandson's school because its state run.

The students come in and learn how to deal with preschoolers. I do

take my grandson to the park. But I have to seperate my time between

my son and grandson. That ok. Im doing better today and no I havent

read any other books of Dr. D'Adamo's books, maybe I will check into

them. Ive got go, talk to you soon and Thanks for the advice.

Ps. This next year I will have 4 Grandchildren and Iam only 44. I

say no more. They all keep me busy. I talk to them daily.

-- In @y..., donnamae58@a... wrote:

> ,

>

> Thank you for saying you've met a friend! I feel like everyone on

this list

> is my friend, and I try to be a friend to all as well. It is a

great group,

> and has given me a lot of support and information.

>

>

[Guest guest]

I have to agree to with you Lori. One factor that does cause stress though is eating something you shouldn't. That can throw me into anxiety attacks to the point of thinking I am going nuts.

The health problems do cause stress on the body due to the chemicals we all use that aren't natural for someone who doesn't have Samter's. There is no trade off if you want to breathe, us use the medications and lots of them are stimulants.

As for what we inherit, yep I totally agree. My health is copying my folks health as I get older, and all my Uncles on my father's side all died of heart problems back to the late 1800's. (genealogy buff)

Just my two cents. Had a bad attack yesterday of anxiety, stress and plain craziness. Got off my Feingold program ate salicylates big time for days and it hit bad yesterday. My breaking point is crowds of people and living in a tourist area with only 2 grocery stores within 150 miles makes for some bad days for me.

in AK

-- stress

I don't think that stress causes Samters, it can just bring on the Samters that are already "wired" to get. I really believe this. People think of gentics sometimes in a simplistic way, like oh if I have Samters I will pass it on, or if I inherited it I must have "gotten" it from someone. But different genes combine to give us predispositions to things, it's not like, oh, if I have this ONE gene I will get Samters. My dad had nasal polyps and my mom is allergic to aspirin .... I feel very sure that the genes responsible for those things were passed on to me and contributed to my (very severe) case of Samters.

Lori

[Guest guest]

Dear ,

Anything I can do to support you with the Feingold diet? I've done it for

years now.

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[Guest guest]

All the Doctors we talk to say that Hep C and liver disease have nothing to

do with stress. All the people we know think this is laughable.

My viral load has doubled since my husband got sick. I'm showing signs of

inflammation which has never happened before.

Feedback???? Experience???

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

Thank you for mentioning reiki and it's help with stress (big for Os). Your

post has made me realize that, although on my other lists I am eager to

recommend/mention ER4YT, I try to keep this lists posting on-topic always, and

have therefore not been as helpful as I could be.

I am a Reiki master (Level 3), and do primarily distant treatments. I was

attuned to level 1 in February and later attuned to master level in April of

this year and have been channeling reiki on a regular basis since. I also do

EFT (Emotion Freedom Technique), and in some instances combine the two. If

anyone would like more information, or to experience a session, please just

email me offlist - I'll be more than happy to give you a distant treatment.

BTW, this is not a commercial solicitation, the treatments are usually

complimentary, and if I ever charge, it is just a modest fee for my time only

(a full session can last up to 1 hour). Reiki is something that we are ALL able

to do with minimal instructions, after attunement.

So if anyone would like some reiki, or an attunement, just ask!

Reiki Blessings and Lights,

Jannette O +, Sec: Unknown

Michele

For the Stress I would recommend you look for a Reiki Practitioner in your

area. A 1 hour session with a Reiki Master would/should totally relax you

and remove a lot of stress for you. Reiki also helps remove toxins from

your system and speed up the healing process. It is a wonderful way to help

you heal yourself without adding medicine/chemicals to your system.

[Guest guest]

Michele,

I have been using Light and Sound for over 7 years as my main choice for stress

reduction. As a non

pharmaceutical approach, I find it impossible to beat. It is mediatation made

impossibly easy for the

rest of us. I've put people to sleep at high noon who had to take heavy

tranquilizers to nod off in the

evening.

I recently started using Pulsed Magnetic Fields with it. This combination I am

finding is beyond what

most people ever experience in a lifetime. When doing sessions I feel like I

have reentered " the womb " ,

spun my own cocoon, instantly trasported myself to a deserted paradise island.

And I do this at home

whenever I feel like it....routinely when retiring in the evening. The asians

have been using Pulsed Magnetic

Fields for acupuncture now for sometime. Energies are balanced.....well. You

can feel the effects of

the field.

For Audio Seminars and Video on how Pulsed Magnetic Fields can improve your

health, go to

http://www.quantronresonance.com/membersonly.html

username: q7361

password: q7361

There is a whole range of health conditions covered. If acupuncture benefits

the condition, Pulsed Magnetic

Fields will benefit. PEMFS are the cadillac of the magnet industry. Forget

static magnets which come nowhere

near the complete body penetration that PEMFS cover.

If and when you come to the conclusion that this might be something to try,

don't buy it directly from the

company. I use a company called Mindcare that will beat anyones price. I

bought mine from Nick.

http://www.mindcare.com

Hope this will help you in your quest. It has certainly done it for my

arthritis, stress, and insomnia.

Sincerely,

Ann on

Voices for Values

>

> Michele

>

> For the Stress I would recommend you look for a Reiki Practitioner in

> your

> area. A 1 hour session with a Reiki Master would/should totally relax

> you

> and remove a lot of stress for you. Reiki also helps remove toxins from

> your system and speed up the healing process. It is a wonderful way to

> help

> you heal yourself without adding medicine/chemicals to your system.

> Another

> thing would be a Neurovascular Balance, this is part of the 'Touch for

> Health' system.

>

> I believe our friend Axel has taken 1st level Reiki, and maybe second

> level

> by now. I remember him talking about it a year or so ago.

>

> If you want to e-mail me off line I could elaborate on the health

> benifits

> for you. I could help you locate a Reiki practitioner in your area if

> you

> want.

>

> from Canada

>

>

> >From: " Michele Townsend " <mtownsend29@...>

> >Reply-

> >

> >Dear ,

> >Yes, I am on a Lyme list, Osteoporosis list, Arthritis list, several

> CFS

> >lists, Fibormyalgia list, Candida list, and off and others as I am able

> to

> >read if I learn anything good from them. Sorry, but somehow I don't

> quite

> >recognize your name, but don't take it personal, as I often forget my

> >husband's name, hehe!

> >Hugs, Michele

>

>

> Hilchie

> 'Be Well and Prosper'

> Nikken Independent Wellness Consultant

> http://www.5pillars.com/maryhilchie

>

> _________________________________________________________________

> Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online

> http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi ! What would one purchase to start light & sound & what company

do you recommend? Does it work for every one or have you seen people who

were not helped by it?

http://www.foodforyourblood.com

Re: Stress

Michele,

I have been using Light and Sound for over 7 years as my main choice for

stress reduction. As a non

pharmaceutical approach, I find it impossible to beat. It is

mediatation made impossibly easy for the

rest of us. I've put people to sleep at high noon who had to take heavy

tranquilizers to nod off in the

evening.

I recently started using Pulsed Magnetic Fields with it. This

combination I am finding is beyond what

most people ever experience in a lifetime. When doing sessions I feel

like I have reentered " the womb " ,

spun my own cocoon, instantly trasported myself to a deserted paradise

island. And I do this at home

whenever I feel like it....routinely when retiring in the evening. The

asians have been using Pulsed Magnetic

Fields for acupuncture now for sometime. Energies are

balanced.....well. You can feel the effects of

the field.

For Audio Seminars and Video on how Pulsed Magnetic Fields can improve

your health, go to

http://www.quantronresonance.com/membersonly.html

username: q7361

password: q7361

There is a whole range of health conditions covered. If acupuncture

benefits the condition, Pulsed Magnetic

Fields will benefit. PEMFS are the cadillac of the magnet industry.

Forget static magnets which come nowhere

near the complete body penetration that PEMFS cover.

If and when you come to the conclusion that this might be something to

try, don't buy it directly from the

company. I use a company called Mindcare that will beat anyones price.

I bought mine from Nick.

http://www.mindcare.com

Hope this will help you in your quest. It has certainly done it for my

arthritis, stress, and insomnia.

Sincerely,

Ann on

Voices for Values

>

> Michele

>

> For the Stress I would recommend you look for a Reiki Practitioner in

> your

> area. A 1 hour session with a Reiki Master would/should totally relax

> you

> and remove a lot of stress for you. Reiki also helps remove toxins

from

> your system and speed up the healing process. It is a wonderful way

to

> help

> you heal yourself without adding medicine/chemicals to your system.

> Another

> thing would be a Neurovascular Balance, this is part of the 'Touch for

> Health' system.

>

> I believe our friend Axel has taken 1st level Reiki, and maybe second

> level

> by now. I remember him talking about it a year or so ago.

>

> If you want to e-mail me off line I could elaborate on the health

> benifits

> for you. I could help you locate a Reiki practitioner in your area if

> you

> want.

>

> from Canada

>

>

> >From: " Michele Townsend " <mtownsend29@...>

> >Reply-

> >

> >Dear ,

> >Yes, I am on a Lyme list, Osteoporosis list, Arthritis list, several

> CFS

> >lists, Fibormyalgia list, Candida list, and off and others as I am

able

> to

> >read if I learn anything good from them. Sorry, but somehow I don't

> quite

> >recognize your name, but don't take it personal, as I often forget my

> >husband's name, hehe!

> >Hugs, Michele

>

>

> Hilchie

> 'Be Well and Prosper'

> Nikken Independent Wellness Consultant

> http://www.5pillars.com/maryhilchie

>

> _________________________________________________________________

> Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online

> http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

,

> Hi ! What would one purchase to start light & sound

I have purchased several machines throughout the years including a DAVID

Paradise, a DAVID Paradise XL,

a Nova Pro 100, and a Proteus. Over the years I have come to prefer my DAVID XL

over the others

especially the Nova. The DAVIDs have very smooth white light goggles. I can

use it daily even 3x per

day without overstimulation. The Nova provides allot of stimulation, too much

for me.

There is a new model, the DAVID XL PLUS that if money were not an issue, I would

go for.

For starters and for far less money, the Proteus will do what the others will do

with fewer options. This

is probably the best starter machine. But make sure to get White Light goggles.

Use Dr. 's Delta Sleep System in combo.

> & what company do you recommend?

I paid full price for my DAVID Paradise when I first got into this but later

found http://www.mindcare.com which

has saved me allot of money throughout the years. I have searched extensively,

but Mindcare has consistently

beaten everyones pricing.

>Does it work for every one or have you seen people who

> were not helped by it?

It is very very very rare that it would not have an effect. I can't really

remember anyone that did not have

some degree of the relaxation response occur. When combined with Pulsed

Magnetic Fields, the sedative effect is

even more dramatic. It is at least equal to or perhaps even beyond a

pharmaceutical approach. This is wave energy.

As the light and sound energy waves slow down and the PEMFS slow down, your

bodies biological

systems naturally slow down. This is a far more natural gentle approach than

taking a sedative which penetrates

every cell of your body and has the potential to become addictive.

Hope this helps,

>

>

> http://www.foodforyourblood.com

>

> Re: Stress

>

> Michele,

>

> I have been using Light and Sound for over 7 years as my main choice for

> stress reduction. As a non

> pharmaceutical approach, I find it impossible to beat. It is

> mediatation made impossibly easy for the

> rest of us. I've put people to sleep at high noon who had to take heavy

> tranquilizers to nod off in the

> evening.

>

> I recently started using Pulsed Magnetic Fields with it. This

> combination I am finding is beyond what

> most people ever experience in a lifetime. When doing sessions I feel

> like I have reentered " the womb " ,

> spun my own cocoon, instantly trasported myself to a deserted paradise

> island. And I do this at home

> whenever I feel like it....routinely when retiring in the evening. The

> asians have been using Pulsed Magnetic

> Fields for acupuncture now for sometime. Energies are

> balanced.....well. You can feel the effects of

> the field.

>

> For Audio Seminars and Video on how Pulsed Magnetic Fields can improve

> your health, go to

>

> http://www.quantronresonance.com/membersonly.html

>

> username: q7361

> password: q7361

>

> There is a whole range of health conditions covered. If acupuncture

> benefits the condition, Pulsed Magnetic

> Fields will benefit. PEMFS are the cadillac of the magnet industry.

> Forget static magnets which come nowhere

> near the complete body penetration that PEMFS cover.

>

> If and when you come to the conclusion that this might be something to

> try, don't buy it directly from the

> company. I use a company called Mindcare that will beat anyones price.

> I bought mine from Nick.

>

> http://www.mindcare.com

>

> Hope this will help you in your quest. It has certainly done it for my

> arthritis, stress, and insomnia.

>

> Sincerely,

>

> Ann on

> Voices for Values

>

>

>

>

> >

> > Michele

> >

> > For the Stress I would recommend you look for a Reiki Practitioner in

> > your

> > area. A 1 hour session with a Reiki Master would/should totally relax

>

> > you

> > and remove a lot of stress for you. Reiki also helps remove toxins

> from

> > your system and speed up the healing process. It is a wonderful way

> to

> > help

> > you heal yourself without adding medicine/chemicals to your system.

> > Another

> > thing would be a Neurovascular Balance, this is part of the 'Touch for

>

> > Health' system.

> >

> > I believe our friend Axel has taken 1st level Reiki, and maybe second

> > level

> > by now. I remember him talking about it a year or so ago.

> >

> > If you want to e-mail me off line I could elaborate on the health

> > benifits

> > for you. I could help you locate a Reiki practitioner in your area if

>

> > you

> > want.

> >

> > from Canada

> >

> >

> > >From: " Michele Townsend " <mtownsend29@...>

> > >Reply-

> > >

> > >Dear ,

> > >Yes, I am on a Lyme list, Osteoporosis list, Arthritis list, several

> > CFS

> > >lists, Fibormyalgia list, Candida list, and off and others as I am

> able

> > to

> > >read if I learn anything good from them. Sorry, but somehow I don't

> > quite

> > >recognize your name, but don't take it personal, as I often forget my

>

> > >husband's name, hehe!

> > >Hugs, Michele

> >

> >

> > Hilchie

> > 'Be Well and Prosper'

> > Nikken Independent Wellness Consultant

> > http://www.5pillars.com/maryhilchie

> >

> > _________________________________________________________________

> > Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online

> > http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963

> >

> >

> >

> >