Sleep

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You could have adrenal issues - which cause sleep issues.

You should be on too low of a dose of iodoral - with hashi's if it is not high enough it kicks part of the system in gear but not the iodolipids to put the brakes on the h2o2 process.

Your thyroid meds could be too high.

Your sex hormones may be out of balance.

Have you had labs run recently?

Steph

sleep

Hi Everyone -I am normally a lurker here, but have posted a few times. I knowthis has been discussed before, but it seems that most people's sleepproblems when taking iodoral are solved by taking it first thing inthe morning. Even when I do this, after several days, I begin notsleeping well at all - and consequently feeling pretty awful. Thesame thing has always happened to me whenever I try to take selenium.And this is on only 12.5 mg. of iodoral. Any suggestions.I have hashis and am on a combo of Cytomel and Armour. I am also oncortef for my adrenals. My doc (who is iodine literate) seems tothink my thyroid meds are too high and that is why I can't toleratethe iodoral. Has this been anyone else's experience? I am in theprocess of trying to lower thyroid meds, but that itself is not goingwell. I have also tried to take testosterone which I have testedextremely low in and that also keeps me from sleeping. For somereason, it seems that when I take things that I have tested to bedeficient in, my body does not tolerate many of them very well at all.I am at a loss here....I have been struggling with these healthissues for several years now and I feel like over the past year I havemade very little forward motion and there is a BIG piece to the puzzlethat is missing. I was hoping it was the iodine (and maybe it stillis), but need some guidance.I have just ordered ATP co-factors hoping that helps somehow, butwondering if anyone has any other ideas.Thanks so much!Trish

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Thanks -

I had a BUNCH of stuff run about 1 1/2 months ago when I started

seeing a new doc. She is VERY knowledgeable about thyroid and

hormones etc., but flat out told me that I am a very difficult case

and she would do her best, but might have to send me on to someone

else. Anything in particular you'd like to see (thyroid, cortisol,

sex hormones - really just testosterone was low) I could post it all;

its pretty long though.

I have been on 32.5 mg cortef for almost 1 1/2 years plus supplements

etc. for my adrenals. Usually (although not always) if I take 5 mg.

cortef at bed, I sleep pretty well....until I start playing around

with stuff. I have been able to tolerate pretty high doses of cytomel

which I don't think I could have if my adrenals weren't stable. But,

who knows....

Interesting about the too low dose of iodoral. I quit taking even

12.5 because I was so much worse with it, than without it. I know I

need to figure this out though, because I KNOW that in the long run

the iodine will help.

I feel like so much of this is a guessing game....

>

> You could have adrenal issues - which cause sleep issues.

> You should be on too low of a dose of iodoral - with hashi's if it

is not high enough it kicks part of the system in gear but not the

iodolipids to put the brakes on the h2o2 process.

> Your thyroid meds could be too high.

> Your sex hormones may be out of balance.

>

> Have you had labs run recently?

>

> Steph

>

>

> sleep

>

>

> Hi Everyone -

>

> I am normally a lurker here, but have posted a few times. I know

> this has been discussed before, but it seems that most people's sleep

> problems when taking iodoral are solved by taking it first thing in

> the morning. Even when I do this, after several days, I begin not

> sleeping well at all - and consequently feeling pretty awful. The

> same thing has always happened to me whenever I try to take selenium.

> And this is on only 12.5 mg. of iodoral. Any suggestions.

>

> I have hashis and am on a combo of Cytomel and Armour. I am also on

> cortef for my adrenals. My doc (who is iodine literate) seems to

> think my thyroid meds are too high and that is why I can't tolerate

> the iodoral. Has this been anyone else's experience? I am in the

> process of trying to lower thyroid meds, but that itself is not going

> well. I have also tried to take testosterone which I have tested

> extremely low in and that also keeps me from sleeping. For some

> reason, it seems that when I take things that I have tested to be

> deficient in, my body does not tolerate many of them very well at all.

> I am at a loss here....I have been struggling with these health

> issues for several years now and I feel like over the past year I have

> made very little forward motion and there is a BIG piece to the puzzle

> that is missing. I was hoping it was the iodine (and maybe it still

> is), but need some guidance.

>

> I have just ordered ATP co-factors hoping that helps somehow, but

> wondering if anyone has any other ideas.

>

> Thanks so much!

> Trish

>

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For low testosterone I take Tongkat Ali.It brings it up to a normal level from low and can be bought at:http://www.iherb.com/ProductDetails.aspx?pid=1504AliOn Jan 15, 2009, at 11:25 AM, Trisha Mountan wrote:Thanks -I had a BUNCH of stuff run about 1 1/2 months ago when I startedseeing a new doc. She is VERY knowledgeable about thyroid andhormones etc., but flat out told me that I am a very difficult caseand she would do her best, but might have to send me on to someoneelse. Anything in particular you'd like to see (thyroid, cortisol,sex hormones - really just testosterone was low) I could post it all;its pretty long though.I have been on 32.5 mg cortef for almost 1 1/2 years plus supplementsetc. for my adrenals. Usually (although not always) if I take 5 mg.cortef at bed, I sleep pretty well....until I start playing aroundwith stuff. I have been able to tolerate pretty high doses of cytomelwhich I don't think I could have if my adrenals weren't stable. But,who knows....Interesting about the too low dose of iodoral. I quit taking even12.5 because I was so much worse with it, than without it. I know Ineed to figure this out though, because I KNOW that in the long runthe iodine will help.I feel like so much of this is a guessing game....>> You could have adrenal issues - which cause sleep issues.> You should be on too low of a dose of iodoral - with hashi's if itis not high enough it kicks part of the system in gear but not theiodolipids to put the brakes on the h2o2 process.> Your thyroid meds could be too high.> Your sex hormones may be out of balance.> > Have you had labs run recently?> > Steph> > > sleep> > > Hi Everyone -> > I am normally a lurker here, but have posted a few times. I know> this has been discussed before, but it seems that most people's sleep> problems when taking iodoral are solved by taking it first thing in> the morning. Even when I do this, after several days, I begin not> sleeping well at all - and consequently feeling pretty awful. The> same thing has always happened to me whenever I try to take selenium.> And this is on only 12.5 mg. of iodoral. Any suggestions.> > I have hashis and am on a combo of Cytomel and Armour. I am also on> cortef for my adrenals. My doc (who is iodine literate) seems to> think my thyroid meds are too high and that is why I can't tolerate> the iodoral. Has this been anyone else's experience? I am in the> process of trying to lower thyroid meds, but that itself is not going> well. I have also tried to take testosterone which I have tested> extremely low in and that also keeps me from sleeping. For some> reason, it seems that when I take things that I have tested to be> deficient in, my body does not tolerate many of them very well at all.> I am at a loss here....I have been struggling with these health> issues for several years now and I feel like over the past year I have> made very little forward motion and there is a BIG piece to the puzzle> that is missing. I was hoping it was the iodine (and maybe it still> is), but need some guidance.> > I have just ordered ATP co-factors hoping that helps somehow, but> wondering if anyone has any other ideas.> > Thanks so much!> Trish>

[Guest guest]

Thanks for the info. I have not responded favorably to the

testosterone cream so I am glad to know there are other options. I'm

assuming that you haven't had any problems (and you ARE a woman) even

though the supplement says its only for adult males.

What benefits have you noticed from taking it? How much do you take

and how long have you been taking it?

Thanks!

Trish

> > >

> > > You could have adrenal issues - which cause sleep issues.

> > > You should be on too low of a dose of iodoral - with hashi's if it

> > is not high enough it kicks part of the system in gear but not the

> > iodolipids to put the brakes on the h2o2 process.

> > > Your thyroid meds could be too high.

> > > Your sex hormones may be out of balance.

> > >

> > > Have you had labs run recently?

> > >

> > > Steph

> > >

> > >

> > > sleep

> > >

> > >

> > > Hi Everyone -

> > >

> > > I am normally a lurker here, but have posted a few times. I know

> > > this has been discussed before, but it seems that most people's

> > sleep

> > > problems when taking iodoral are solved by taking it first thing in

> > > the morning. Even when I do this, after several days, I begin not

> > > sleeping well at all - and consequently feeling pretty awful. The

> > > same thing has always happened to me whenever I try to take

> > selenium.

> > > And this is on only 12.5 mg. of iodoral. Any suggestions.

> > >

> > > I have hashis and am on a combo of Cytomel and Armour. I am also on

> > > cortef for my adrenals. My doc (who is iodine literate) seems to

> > > think my thyroid meds are too high and that is why I can't tolerate

> > > the iodoral. Has this been anyone else's experience? I am in the

> > > process of trying to lower thyroid meds, but that itself is not

> > going

> > > well. I have also tried to take testosterone which I have tested

> > > extremely low in and that also keeps me from sleeping. For some

> > > reason, it seems that when I take things that I have tested to be

> > > deficient in, my body does not tolerate many of them very well at

> > all.

> > > I am at a loss here....I have been struggling with these health

> > > issues for several years now and I feel like over the past year I

> > have

> > > made very little forward motion and there is a BIG piece to the

> > puzzle

> > > that is missing. I was hoping it was the iodine (and maybe it still

> > > is), but need some guidance.

> > >

> > > I have just ordered ATP co-factors hoping that helps somehow, but

> > > wondering if anyone has any other ideas.

> > >

> > > Thanks so much!

> > > Trish

> > >

> >

> >

> >

>

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Trisha,I too tolerated high doses of Cytomel before supplementing w/enough HC. It just wasn't getting through w/o 30 mg HC. Just my experience. My Ferritin levels were also low. Have you had adrenal saliva tests? How much Cytomel & Armour are you on?On Jan 15, 2009, at 2:25 PM, Trisha Mountan wrote:Thanks -I had a BUNCH of stuff run about 1 1/2 months ago when I startedseeing a new doc. She is VERY knowledgeable about thyroid andhormones etc., but flat out told me that I am a very difficult caseand she would do her best, but might have to send me on to someoneelse. Anything in particular you'd like to see (thyroid, cortisol,sex hormones - really just testosterone was low) I could post it all;its pretty long though.I have been on 32.5 mg cortef for almost 1 1/2 years plus supplementsetc. for my adrenals. Usually (although not always) if I take 5 mg.cortef at bed, I sleep pretty well....until I start playing aroundwith stuff. I have been able to tolerate pretty high doses of cytomelwhich I don't think I could have if my adrenals weren't stable. But,who knows....Interesting about the too low dose of iodoral. I quit taking even12.5 because I was so much worse with it, than without it. I know Ineed to figure this out though, because I KNOW that in the long runthe iodine will help.I feel like so much of this is a guessing game....>> You could have adrenal issues - which cause sleep issues.> You should be on too low of a dose of iodoral - with hashi's if itis not high enough it kicks part of the system in gear but not theiodolipids to put the brakes on the h2o2 process.> Your thyroid meds could be too high.> Your sex hormones may be out of balance.> > Have you had labs run recently?> > Steph> > > sleep> > > Hi Everyone -> > I am normally a lurker here, but have posted a few times. I know> this has been discussed before, but it seems that most people's sleep> problems when taking iodoral are solved by taking it first thing in> the morning. Even when I do this, after several days, I begin not> sleeping well at all - and consequently feeling pretty awful. The> same thing has always happened to me whenever I try to take selenium.> And this is on only 12.5 mg. of iodoral. Any suggestions.> > I have hashis and am on a combo of Cytomel and Armour. I am also on> cortef for my adrenals. My doc (who is iodine literate) seems to> think my thyroid meds are too high and that is why I can't tolerate> the iodoral. Has this been anyone else's experience? I am in the> process of trying to lower thyroid meds, but that itself is not going> well. I have also tried to take testosterone which I have tested> extremely low in and that also keeps me from sleeping. For some> reason, it seems that when I take things that I have tested to be> deficient in, my body does not tolerate many of them very well at all.> I am at a loss here....I have been struggling with these health> issues for several years now and I feel like over the past year I have> made very little forward motion and there is a BIG piece to the puzzle> that is missing. I was hoping it was the iodine (and maybe it still> is), but need some guidance.> > I have just ordered ATP co-factors hoping that helps somehow, but> wondering if anyone has any other ideas.> > Thanks so much!> Trish>

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Well, I am on 32.5 mg. HC and have taken up to 35 mg, so that should

definitely be enough. My Adrenal Saliva Test results were horrible a

couple of years ago, thus the HC. My ferritin levels are fine. I

had been on 75 mg. Cytomel with 1/4 grain Armour and was sleeping okay

on that dose. I am now on 50 mg. Cytomel with 1/2 grain Armour (just

in the last few days) and am not sleeping well at all. My

pregnenolone is very low, which is the next thing my doc wants me to

add, but I have to get these other things straightened out before I do

something new. I am anxious to be able to take iodoral, but don't

even want to touch that until I am sleeping better with these other

issues.

> > >

> > > You could have adrenal issues - which cause sleep issues.

> > > You should be on too low of a dose of iodoral - with hashi's if it

> > is not high enough it kicks part of the system in gear but not the

> > iodolipids to put the brakes on the h2o2 process.

> > > Your thyroid meds could be too high.

> > > Your sex hormones may be out of balance.

> > >

> > > Have you had labs run recently?

> > >

> > > Steph

> > >

> > >

> > > sleep

> > >

> > >

> > > Hi Everyone -

> > >

> > > I am normally a lurker here, but have posted a few times. I know

> > > this has been discussed before, but it seems that most people's

> > sleep

> > > problems when taking iodoral are solved by taking it first thing in

> > > the morning. Even when I do this, after several days, I begin not

> > > sleeping well at all - and consequently feeling pretty awful. The

> > > same thing has always happened to me whenever I try to take

> > selenium.

> > > And this is on only 12.5 mg. of iodoral. Any suggestions.

> > >

> > > I have hashis and am on a combo of Cytomel and Armour. I am also on

> > > cortef for my adrenals. My doc (who is iodine literate) seems to

> > > think my thyroid meds are too high and that is why I can't tolerate

> > > the iodoral. Has this been anyone else's experience? I am in the

> > > process of trying to lower thyroid meds, but that itself is not

> > going

> > > well. I have also tried to take testosterone which I have tested

> > > extremely low in and that also keeps me from sleeping. For some

> > > reason, it seems that when I take things that I have tested to be

> > > deficient in, my body does not tolerate many of them very well at

> > all.

> > > I am at a loss here....I have been struggling with these health

> > > issues for several years now and I feel like over the past year I

> > have

> > > made very little forward motion and there is a BIG piece to the

> > puzzle

> > > that is missing. I was hoping it was the iodine (and maybe it still

> > > is), but need some guidance.

> > >

> > > I have just ordered ATP co-factors hoping that helps somehow, but

> > > wondering if anyone has any other ideas.

> > >

> > > Thanks so much!

> > > Trish

> > >

> >

> >

> >

>

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TSH, Free T3, Free T4, Estrogen(s), Testosterone, Progesterone.

Yes too low of a dose of Iodoral can be a problem for autoimmune thyroid people. It seems odd but it works for many. Make sure you are doing Vit C, selenium, magnesium too. The Cofactors will probably help you. Vit A can help too.

sleep> > > Hi Everyone -> > I am normally a lurker here, but have posted a few times. I know> this has been discussed before, but it seems that most people's sleep> problems when taking iodoral are solved by taking it first thing in> the morning. Even when I do this, after several days, I begin not> sleeping well at all - and consequently feeling pretty awful. The> same thing has always happened to me whenever I try to take selenium.> And this is on only 12.5 mg. of iodoral. Any suggestions.> > I have hashis and am on a combo of Cytomel and Armour. I am also on> cortef for my adrenals. My doc (who is iodine literate) seems to> think my thyroid meds are too high and that is why I can't tolerate> the iodoral. Has this been anyone else's experience? I am in the> process of trying to lower thyroid meds, but that itself is not going> well. I have also tried to take testosterone which I have tested> extremely low in and that also keeps me from sleeping. For some> reason, it seems that when I take things that I have tested to be> deficient in, my body does not tolerate many of them very well at all.> I am at a loss here....I have been struggling with these health> issues for several years now and I feel like over the past year I have> made very little forward motion and there is a BIG piece to the puzzle> that is missing. I was hoping it was the iodine (and maybe it still> is), but need some guidance.> > I have just ordered ATP co-factors hoping that helps somehow, but> wondering if anyone has any other ideas.> > Thanks so much!> Trish>

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TSH - .004 (.45 - 4.5)

Free T3 - 4.4 (2.3 - 4.2)

Free T4 - .30 (.61 - 1.76) This is low because I am on mostly T3. We

are working on switching out for some Armour.

Estradiol - 133 (I am not sure which lab range to use - there are 3

choices for luteal phase - +2, +6 or +12 - this was taken on day 21 of

my cycle) Luteal +2 is 58-157, Luteal +6 is 60-211, Luteal +12 is 55-150.

Estrone, Serum - 64 (50-114)

Testosterone, Serum - 27 (14-76)

Testosterone, Free (Direct) - <0.2 (0.0-2.2)

Androstenedione - 37 (47-268)

Androstane Diol Glucuronide - 136 (50-540)

Progesterone - 16.7 (4.4-28)

I already do the Vitamin C, Magnesium and get Vit. A in high Vitamin

CLO. I have the same problem when I take selenium that I do with

Iodoral. It disrupts my sleep. My testing did show a selenium

deficiency, however.

Thanks so much!

Trish

> >

> > You could have adrenal issues - which cause sleep issues.

> > You should be on too low of a dose of iodoral - with hashi's if it

> is not high enough it kicks part of the system in gear but not the

> iodolipids to put the brakes on the h2o2 process.

> > Your thyroid meds could be too high.

> > Your sex hormones may be out of balance.

> >

> > Have you had labs run recently?

> >

> > Steph

> >

> >

> > sleep

> >

> >

> > Hi Everyone -

> >

> > I am normally a lurker here, but have posted a few times. I know

> > this has been discussed before, but it seems that most people's

sleep

> > problems when taking iodoral are solved by taking it first thing in

> > the morning. Even when I do this, after several days, I begin not

> > sleeping well at all - and consequently feeling pretty awful. The

> > same thing has always happened to me whenever I try to take

selenium.

> > And this is on only 12.5 mg. of iodoral. Any suggestions.

> >

> > I have hashis and am on a combo of Cytomel and Armour. I am also on

> > cortef for my adrenals. My doc (who is iodine literate) seems to

> > think my thyroid meds are too high and that is why I can't tolerate

> > the iodoral. Has this been anyone else's experience? I am in the

> > process of trying to lower thyroid meds, but that itself is not

going

> > well. I have also tried to take testosterone which I have tested

> > extremely low in and that also keeps me from sleeping. For some

> > reason, it seems that when I take things that I have tested to be

> > deficient in, my body does not tolerate many of them very well

at all.

> > I am at a loss here....I have been struggling with these health

> > issues for several years now and I feel like over the past year

I have

> > made very little forward motion and there is a BIG piece to the

puzzle

> > that is missing. I was hoping it was the iodine (and maybe it still

> > is), but need some guidance.

> >

> > I have just ordered ATP co-factors hoping that helps somehow, but

> > wondering if anyone has any other ideas.

> >

> > Thanks so much!

> > Trish

> >

>

[Guest guest]

The T4 is the only thing that jumps at me. You can try taking L-Theanine. That helps make you tired / calm.

Steph

sleep> > > > > > Hi Everyone -> > > > I am normally a lurker here, but have posted a few times. I know> > this has been discussed before, but it seems that most people'ssleep> > problems when taking iodoral are solved by taking it first thing in> > the morning. Even when I do this, after several days, I begin not> > sleeping well at all - and consequently feeling pretty awful. The> > same thing has always happened to me whenever I try to takeselenium.> > And this is on only 12.5 mg. of iodoral. Any suggestions.> > > > I have hashis and am on a combo of Cytomel and Armour. I am also on> > cortef for my adrenals. My doc (who is iodine literate) seems to> > think my thyroid meds are too high and that is why I can't tolerate> > the iodoral. Has this been anyone else's experience? I am in the> > process of trying to lower thyroid meds, but that itself is notgoing> > well. I have also tried to take testosterone which I have tested> > extremely low in and that also keeps me from sleeping. For some> > reason, it seems that when I take things that I have tested to be> > deficient in, my body does not tolerate many of them very wellat all.> > I am at a loss here....I have been struggling with these health> > issues for several years now and I feel like over the past yearI have> > made very little forward motion and there is a BIG piece to thepuzzle> > that is missing. I was hoping it was the iodine (and maybe it still> > is), but need some guidance.> > > > I have just ordered ATP co-factors hoping that helps somehow, but> > wondering if anyone has any other ideas.> > > > Thanks so much!> > Trish> >>

[Guest guest]

It's worth a try. See if you can get to 50 mgs. I started sleeping better when I got on Iodoral and I started at 50 mgs. If it is worse or doesn't work you can always stop.

Steph

sleep> > > > > > > > > Hi Everyone -> > > > > > I am normally a lurker here, but have posted a few times. Iknow> > > this has been discussed before, but it seems that most people's> sleep> > > problems when taking iodoral are solved by taking it firstthing in> > > the morning. Even when I do this, after several days, I begin not> > > sleeping well at all - and consequently feeling pretty awful. The> > > same thing has always happened to me whenever I try to take> selenium.> > > And this is on only 12.5 mg. of iodoral. Any suggestions.> > > > > > I have hashis and am on a combo of Cytomel and Armour. I amalso on> > > cortef for my adrenals. My doc (who is iodine literate) seems to> > > think my thyroid meds are too high and that is why I can'ttolerate> > > the iodoral. Has this been anyone else's experience? I am in the> > > process of trying to lower thyroid meds, but that itself is not> going> > > well. I have also tried to take testosterone which I have tested> > > extremely low in and that also keeps me from sleeping. For some> > > reason, it seems that when I take things that I have tested to be> > > deficient in, my body does not tolerate many of them very well> at all.> > > I am at a loss here....I have been struggling with these health> > > issues for several years now and I feel like over the past year> I have> > > made very little forward motion and there is a BIG piece to the> puzzle> > > that is missing. I was hoping it was the iodine (and maybe itstill> > > is), but need some guidance.> > > > > > I have just ordered ATP co-factors hoping that helps somehow, but> > > wondering if anyone has any other ideas.> > > > > > Thanks so much!> > > Trish> > >> >>

[Guest guest]

I am in so much pain when I sit or lay down. I cannot sleep.

There must be someway to put weight on our skinny bodies. I look

like I am anorexic. The pain of sitting is unbearalbe at times.

There must be something to do to help one sleep. > Thanks

> Ellen

Hi Ellen

I'm boney too. I sit on one of those inflatable " donuts " at all

times, very helpful. They're about $7 at WalMart. On my bed is a foam

mattress pad which I've folded over 3 times so it's thicker. Very

comfy. Best, Susie

[Guest guest]

I do all that and it still does not help. There has got to be a way

we can gain weight. This seems crazy that there is not way we can

gain weight. I have been doing this since Aug.

Thanks

Ellen

> I am in so much pain when I sit or lay down. I cannot sleep.

> There must be someway to put weight on our skinny bodies. I look

> like I am anorexic. The pain of sitting is unbearalbe at times.

> There must be something to do to help one sleep. > Thanks

> > Ellen

>

> Hi Ellen

> I'm boney too. I sit on one of those inflatable " donuts " at all

> times, very helpful. They're about $7 at WalMart. On my bed is a

foam

> mattress pad which I've folded over 3 times so it's thicker. Very

> comfy. Best, Susie

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Ellen,

Some people find they gain weight when they eat olive oil.

>

> I do all that and it still does not help. There has got to be a way

> we can gain weight. This seems crazy that there is not way we can

> gain weight. I have been doing this since Aug.

>

>

> Thanks

> Ellen

[Guest guest]

Forgive me but how do you eat olive oil. I use it in my salad dressing

but other than that do you have any suiggesitons.

Thanks

Ellen

> >

> > I do all that and it still does not help. There has got to be a

way

> > we can gain weight. This seems crazy that there is not way we can

> > gain weight. I have been doing this since Aug.

> >

> >

> > Thanks

> > Ellen

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Ellen,

You can pour it over any foods that you are eating. Just remember not

to use it for cooking.

I don't eat olive oil that often. Maybe other people can chime in and

give you more suggestions. Have you tried making the mayonnaise

recipe on Bee's site?

http://www.healingnaturallybybee.com/recipes/menu1_3.php

>

> Forgive me but how do you eat olive oil. I use it in my salad

dressing but other than that do you have any suiggesitons.

>

> Thanks

> Ellen

[Guest guest]

>

> I have been on the cadida diet since August. I was not taking the

> cocount oil but am putting 1tsp or more in my par darc tea. That

is

> the only way I can get it down other than cooking with it. I am

> loosing so much weight. I know you say don't worry about it but

now I

> have periformos symdrom because I am sitting bone against bone. I

am

> in so much pain when I sit or lay down. I cannot sleep. There

must

> be someway to put weight on our skinny bodies. I look like I am

> anorexic. The pain of sitting is unbearalbe at times. There must

be

> something to do to help one sleep. I took melatonian last night

and

> nothing and then took something stronger. Because I have addison's

> disease sleep is vitally important for my adrenal s to heal. Any

> ideas for both of these issues.

>

+++Hi Ellen. This my recommendation for you only! Start eating

buckwheat pancakes - here's the recipe:

http://www.healingnaturallybybee.com/recipes/recipe186.php

Remember to have at least 1 1/2 tsp. per day of good ocean sea salt

since it is extremely important for your adrenals. Also see Adrenal

Malfunction & How to Improve It:

http://www.healingnaturallybybee.com/articles/treat1.php

Here's some things you can do to improve your sleep:

http://www.healingnaturallybybee.com/articles/sleep1.php

I hope that helps. Let us know on how you are doing.

Healing Hugs, Bee

[Guest guest]

>

> Forgive me but how do you eat olive oil. I use it in my salad

dressing

> but other than that do you have any suiggesitons.

+++ Ellen, instead of increasing your intake of olive oil, I

recommend " only for you " that you eat buckwheat pancakes.

Bee

[Guest guest]

Have you had his adrenals tested ?

It may be the case that he has high cortisol at bedtime and that this

si what is keeping him awake.

It took until my son was 20 to figure this out - he did not need to

sleep until 10 pm or so as I said and he was OK on that, it was onky as

he got older and the adrenal fatigue progressed that this became more

prolematic.

Along with symptoms appearing which I did not recognise as

adrenal/thyroid because I knew nothing of this area myself at that time.

Didn;t we talk about this before ?

Mo

[Guest guest]

Here is some info from the lab that offers the ASI test. They

seem to be making a connection between adrenal stress - SigA - autism?

Mo

http://www.leakygut.co.uk/Comp%20Adrenal%20Stress%20Index%20Patient%

20Info.pdf

[Guest guest]

So many of us have sleep issues from what I've read here. I use

melatonin by Natrol (3 mg with a small amount of calcium and B6 in it's

formula). My fibro doc, Dr. Dantini from Florida whom I found on

the internet) recommends 5-10 mg nightly for his patients, to be cut

back as needed later on after rested up. It took six months on 9 mg,

then six months on 6 mg, now 3 mg dose nightly works for me. I have a

friend who can't get to sleep on this, has tried 5HTP, L-tryptophan, and

is now trying Gaba Calm. Ambien only lets her get 2-6 hours depending

but she wants off the prescription drugs. I have read those here using

up to 20 mg melatonin, some can only use mcgs, some get depression from

it (it is a hormone), others said they use sublingual melatonin if they

awaken in the night to get back to sleep, etc.. When I added Ultra-Cal

Night by Source Naturals I started dreaming, in color, and remembering

my dreams, so that is a plus for me. Other issues could be needing a

new mattress (I have osteo-arthritis in my back also), different

pillows, too cold or too hot at night (I needed hormones because of hot

flashes), a hot bath or drink to relax, relaxation techniques (I have to

force myself to relax my muscles before I sleep or I wake up more tight

the next day). I personally never went the route of the sleeping pills

as my grandmother and father-in-law got addicted to valium and took

years to get off it.

Best wishes for rest and sleep; it's a definite need for all of us. I

remember the TV commercial I think it was for Unisom, where a woman was

awake in bed, looking at the clock, saying, " I can get by on 4 hours of

sleep, I've done it before; I can get by on 3 hours of sleep, I've done

it before. " I remember identifying with this as I was so sleep

deprived. For me, I am blessed with being able to sleep in until my

body wakes me up. Some days it's as early as 7:00 AM (and I wish I

could sleep longer) but most days it's 8:30 AM, then I work on paperwork

at home for 2-3 hours, eat and go back to bed for a rest of sleep, then

work 4-7 PM. This schedule is good for me. I do my best mental work

AM, then need a rest, then am good for the rest of the day.

in La Selva Beach

56 years young and still strong and blessed

[Guest guest]

I also talked with Dr. Dantini--last October. He recommended 20mg of

melatonin, said any brand was all right, and said he did not have

information on taking other things with the melatonin. I tried the 20mg

for many weeks, and it never did anything at all for me. I saw no

effect, either beneficial or otherwise.

What works for one person does not necessarily work for another.

Schmidt wrote:

>

> So many of us have sleep issues from what I've read here. I use

> melatonin by Natrol (3 mg with a small amount of calcium and B6 in it's

> formula). My fibro doc, Dr. Dantini from Florida whom I found on

> the internet) recommends 5-10 mg nightly for his patients, to be cut

> back as needed later on after rested up. It took six months on 9 mg,

> then six months on 6 mg, now 3 mg dose nightly works for me. I have a

> friend who can't get to sleep on this, has tried 5HTP, L-tryptophan, and

> is now trying Gaba Calm. Ambien only lets her get 2-6 hours depending

> but she wants off the prescription drugs. I have read those here using

> up to 20 mg melatonin, some can only use mcgs, some get depression from

> it (it is a hormone), others said they use sublingual melatonin if they

> awaken in the night to get back to sleep, etc.. When I added Ultra-Cal

> Night by Source Naturals I started dreaming, in color, and remembering

> my dreams, so that is a plus for me. Other issues could be needing a

> new mattress (I have osteo-arthritis in my back also), different

> pillows, too cold or too hot at night (I needed hormones because of hot

> flashes), a hot bath or drink to relax, relaxation techniques (I have to

> force myself to relax my muscles before I sleep or I wake up more tight

> the next day). I personally never went the route of the sleeping pills

> as my grandmother and father-in-law got addicted to valium and took

> years to get off it.

>

> Best wishes for rest and sleep; it's a definite need for all of us. I

> remember the TV commercial I think it was for Unisom, where a woman was

> awake in bed, looking at the clock, saying, " I can get by on 4 hours of

> sleep, I've done it before; I can get by on 3 hours of sleep, I've done

> it before. " I remember identifying with this as I was so sleep

> deprived. For me, I am blessed with being able to sleep in until my

> body wakes me up. Some days it's as early as 7:00 AM (and I wish I

> could sleep longer) but most days it's 8:30 AM, then I work on paperwork

> at home for 2-3 hours, eat and go back to bed for a rest of sleep, then

> work 4-7 PM. This schedule is good for me. I do my best mental work

> AM, then need a rest, then am good for the rest of the day.

>

> in La Selva Beach

> 56 years young and still strong and blessed

>

>

[Guest guest]

" retractap@... " <retractap@...> wrote:

>

> I also talked with Dr. Dantini--last October.

> He recommended 20mg of melatonin, said any brand

> was all right, and said he did not have

> information on taking other things with the melatonin.

> I tried the 20mg

> for many weeks, and it never did anything at all for me. I saw no

> effect, either beneficial or otherwise.

>

> What works for one person does not necessarily work for another.

>

>

20 mg melatonin is HUGE, and the med lit suggests that small

amounts such a 0.5-3 mg are more effective than the larger

amounts.

Small amounts of 2 or more sedating substances can be more

effective than larger amounts of one. Caution any time using

sedating substances and especially when combining them -

danger of respiratory arrest.

Carol W.

[Moderator: it is likely a good exercise to keep a list of what supplements

seem to be good wakeup and poor before bed items, and the reverse. For example,

aspirin, grapeseed-extract, piracetam, niacin tend to be good wakeup items but

will keep most people too awake to get to sleep. Wormwood, Olive Leaf Extract,

vin (low dosage) can be useful to assist at bed time... Everyone mileage

will be different....]

[Guest guest]

I should say, Dr. Carol, that during more than 20 years of suffering

with CFS, I have tried many, many things for sleep, one of which have

worked well for me. Of course, I tried many times taking the smaller

doses of melatonin prior to Dr. D recommending the 20 mg. The smaller

doses never did anything either.

As I said before, what works for one of us does not necessarily work for

another.

cbwillis9 wrote:

>

> " retractap@... " <retractap@...> wrote:

> >

> > I also talked with Dr. Dantini--last October.

> > He recommended 20mg of melatonin, said any brand

> > was all right, and said he did not have

> > information on taking other things with the melatonin.

> > I tried the 20mg

> > for many weeks, and it never did anything at all for me. I saw no

> > effect, either beneficial or otherwise.

> >

> > What works for one person does not necessarily work for another.

> >

> >

>

> 20 mg melatonin is HUGE, and the med lit suggests that small

> amounts such a 0.5-3 mg are more effective than the larger

> amounts.

>

> Small amounts of 2 or more sedating substances can be more

> effective than larger amounts of one. Caution any time using

> sedating substances and especially when combining them -

> danger of respiratory arrest.

>

> Carol W.

>

> [Moderator: it is likely a good exercise to keep a list of what

> supplements seem to be good wakeup and poor before bed items, and the

> reverse. For example, aspirin, grapeseed-extract, piracetam, niacin

> tend to be good wakeup items but will keep most people too awake to

> get to sleep. Wormwood, Olive Leaf Extract, vin (low dosage) can

> be useful to assist at bed time... Everyone mileage will be different....]

>

>

[Guest guest]

I agree, 20 mg is HUGE. Having worked with Dr. Dantini, I believe he

might have said " up to 20 mg " rather than " take 20 mg, " as in 2003 he

was saying 5-10 mg per night. For some, if they aren't sleeping, the

higher amounts would be to get more rested up, not a continual permanent

dose. It took me six months on 9 mg per night to get rested up as I was

very sleep/rest deprived, but I also added other things such as HRT for

the hot flashes, anti-inflammatories for the osteo-arthritis in back and

neck, warmer pjs at night so I don't get chilled, food allergy rotation

diet because I have severe food allergies or sensitivities, Ultra-Cal

NIght by Source Naturals which gave me back dreams at night so I assume

I am getting better quality REM sleep, Recuperation for the right

combination of minerals to alleviate leg cramps, etc.

Dr. Dantini has a book out now that I found helpful, The New

Fibromyalgia Theory. Of course I have found bits and pieces of helpful

information in almost all of the CFS/FMS books too. So keep reading and

learning out there. There are helpful things for us. We all have to find

what works for us with our individual problems in addition to the

CFS/FMS we each uniquely have.

in La Selva Beach CA

cbwillis9 wrote:

>

> " retractap@... " <retractap@...> wrote:

> >

> > I also talked with Dr. Dantini--last October.

> > He recommended 20mg of melatonin, said any brand

> > was all right, and said he did not have

> > information on taking other things with the melatonin.

> > I tried the 20mg

> > for many weeks, and it never did anything at all for me. I saw no

> > effect, either beneficial or otherwise.

> >

> > What works for one person does not necessarily work for another.

> >

> >

>

> 20 mg melatonin is HUGE, and the med lit suggests that small

> amounts such a 0.5-3 mg are more effective than the larger

> amounts.

>

> Small amounts of 2 or more sedating substances can be more

> effective than larger amounts of one. Caution any time using

> sedating substances and especially when combining them -

> danger of respiratory arrest.

>

> Carol W.

>

> [Moderator: it is likely a good exercise to keep a list of what

> supplements seem to be good wakeup and poor before bed items, and the

> reverse. For example, aspirin, grapeseed-extract, piracetam, niacin

> tend to be good wakeup items but will keep most people too awake to

> get to sleep. Wormwood, Olive Leaf Extract, vin (low dosage) can

> be useful to assist at bed time... Everyone mileage will be different....]

>

> __

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I know what Dr. Dantini said to me in 2008. He said to take 20 mg of

melatonin a night for sleep. I do not need you to tell me what he said

to me. Perhaps his approach has changed since you have spoken with

him. I have read his book. I did not find anything new in it. I have

been suffering with CFS for more than 20 years and I have read many,

many books and medical studies in that time.

One more time: What works for one person does not necessarily work for

another person with CFS.

Schmidt wrote:

>

> I agree, 20 mg is HUGE. Having worked with Dr. Dantini, I believe he

> might have said " up to 20 mg " rather than " take 20 mg, " as in 2003 he

> was saying 5-10 mg per night. For some, if they aren't sleeping, the

> higher amounts would be to get more rested up, not a continual permanent

> dose. It took me six months on 9 mg per night to get rested up as I was

> very sleep/rest deprived, but I also added other things such as HRT for

> the hot flashes, anti-inflammatories for the osteo-arthritis in back and

> neck, warmer pjs at night so I don't get chilled, food allergy rotation

> diet because I have severe food allergies or sensitivities, Ultra-Cal

> NIght by Source Naturals which gave me back dreams at night so I assume

> I am getting better quality REM sleep, Recuperation for the right

> combination of minerals to alleviate leg cramps, etc.

>

> Dr. Dantini has a book out now that I found helpful, The New

> Fibromyalgia Theory. Of course I have found bits and pieces of helpful

> information in almost all of the CFS/FMS books too. So keep reading and

> learning out there. There are helpful things for us. We all have to find

> what works for us with our individual problems in addition to the

> CFS/FMS we each uniquely have.

>

> in La Selva Beach CA

>

> cbwillis9 wrote:

> >

> > " retractap@... " <retractap@...> wrote:

> > >

> > > I also talked with Dr. Dantini--last October.

> > > He recommended 20mg of melatonin, said any brand

> > > was all right, and said he did not have

> > > information on taking other things with the melatonin.

> > > I tried the 20mg

> > > for many weeks, and it never did anything at all for me. I saw no

> > > effect, either beneficial or otherwise.

> > >

> > > What works for one person does not necessarily work for another.

> > >

> > >

> >

> > 20 mg melatonin is HUGE, and the med lit suggests that small

> > amounts such a 0.5-3 mg are more effective than the larger

> > amounts.

> >

> > Small amounts of 2 or more sedating substances can be more

> > effective than larger amounts of one. Caution any time using

> > sedating substances and especially when combining them -

> > danger of respiratory arrest.

> >

> > Carol W.

> >

> > [Moderator: it is likely a good exercise to keep a list of what

> > supplements seem to be good wakeup and poor before bed items, and the

> > reverse. For example, aspirin, grapeseed-extract, piracetam, niacin

> > tend to be good wakeup items but will keep most people too awake to

> > get to sleep. Wormwood, Olive Leaf Extract, vin (low dosage) can

> > be useful to assist at bed time... Everyone mileage will be

> different....]

> >

> > __

> >

> >

> >

>

>