Guest guest Posted December 1, 2005 Report Share Posted December 1, 2005 WHAT ARE ENZYMES? Enzymes are necessary to the body for proper food digestion and aiding in the repair of tissue. Plant enzymes are uniquely different from animal enzymes. Enzymes are the only nutrients that can supply the body with energy needed for its activities, therefore overuse can impair the functioning capacity of the body, making it susceptible to cancer, obesity, cardiovascular disease, and a host of other illnesses. WHAT DO THEY DO? Enzymes assist in almost every bodily function. In hydrolysis, digestive enzymes break down food for storage in the liver or muscles. This stored energy is converted by other enzymes for use by the body when needed. Enzymes also use food eaten to construct new muscle tissue, nerve cells, bone, skin, or glandular tissue. They also aid in the elimination of toxins by the colon, kidneys, lungs, and skin. Enzymes decompose poisonous hydrogen peroxide and liberate healthful oxygen from it. A healthy body produces almost 5 million units of the enzymes superoxide dismulase (SOD) and its partner, catalase, daily. SOD revitalizes the cells and reduces the rate of cell destruction. It also removes the most common free radical, superoxide. With aging comes the increase of free radical production as SOD levels are reduced. SOD naturally occurs in barley grass, wheatgrass, and most green plants. From what information that I have gathered, it looks as though enzymes can help deter aging and wrinkles! www.reaping-rewards.com Suzi What is a weed? A plant whose virtues have not yet been discovered. health/ www.onegrp.com/?mamanott organic cosmetics http://suziesgoats.wholefoodfarmacy.com/ Music Unlimited - Access over 1 million songs. Try it free. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 12, 2007 Report Share Posted January 12, 2007 Better yet, just eat more raw foods. Lots of tender leafy greens, raw fruits. Stay away from grains, legumes and excess of starches (pasta, potatoes and other cooked roots) as these all add to your already burdened colon. More salads and fruits will help more with enzymes. Learn about proper food combining too. Also cut down on or cut out altogether dairy and cut down on flesh food (if you eat them). The idea here is to make it easier for your body to do what it does without a excess of exertion (constipation, bowel movements, etc.) Don Carol Minnick wrote: > > Rita, > > > > There are three classes of enzymes. These include plant or food enzymes, found in all raw foods, which start food digestion; digestive enzymes, which are secreted by the pancreas to digest our food; and metabolic enzymes, produced in > the cells to run all body processes. However, " only plant enzymes initiate digestion in the stomach, which is why when you take plant enzymes it spares the pancreas from doing all of your digestion. " Unlike conventional drugs that control body chemistry, plant enzymes enhance nourishment, so that the body can control itself. > > > Your body makes metabolic and digestive enzymes. Metabolic enzymes > “run†your body – they are connected to every organ in the body. > Digestive enzymes are provided by your body to help you digest, use, > and eliminate your food. Digestive enzymes are activated by seeing, > smelling, chewing, or even just thinking about food. > > > > The other type of enzyme – food enzymes – your body cannot make. Food > enzymes come from only raw foods. Any time you cook a food above 110 > degrees, you kill the enzymes in that food. Raw foods contain > protease (breaks down protein found in meat, nuts, eggs and cheese), > amylase (breaks down starch, sugars and carbohydrates), lipase (breaks > down fats), and cellulase (breaks down fiber). > > > > Enzymes are the catalyst or the spark, so to speak, that makes all the > chemical processes in the body work. Without enzymes your body ceases > to function and you would be dead. There are in fact over 20,000 > different enzymes in the body. Science has been able to classify and > identify between 5,000 and 6,000. When you digest living foods they > are replete with enzymes, so your pancreas etc does not need to > manufacture digestive enzymes to digest your food. Eating cooked food > puts a strain on the body. Now there is a lack of enzymatic action, > and the body must work to produce enzymes to digest the food. Couple > that with the extreme acid producing foods that most people eat,(white > flour and sugar etc)and you get a terrible strain on the digestive system. > > > > Pick a high quality plant-based enzyme product – do the pudding test > to make sure they are active - open up a capsule and stir it into > pudding – the pudding should liquefy in a minute or two. If it > doesn’t, then the enzymes are dead and will not work in your body > either. Many on the market are dead, so do your research. > > > > Carol > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 12, 2007 Report Share Posted January 12, 2007 Eat more raw and you won't have to worry about a pudding test. Fieber wrote: > Rita > > Do you know of any good brands of enzymes that would pass the pudding > test? > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* Carol Minnick <mailto:carol@...> > *To:* health > <mailto:health > > *Sent:* Thursday, January 11, 2007 6:16 PM > *Subject:* Re: enzymes > > Rita, > > There are three classes of enzymes. These include plant or food enzymes, found in all raw foods, which start food digestion; digestive enzymes, which are secreted by the pancreas to digest our food; and metabolic enzymes, produced in > > the cells to run all body processes. However, " only plant enzymes initiate digestion in the stomach, which is why when you take plant enzymes it spares the pancreas from doing all of your digestion. " Unlike conventional drugs that control body chemistry, plant enzymes enhance nourishment, so that the body can control itself. > > > > Your body makes metabolic and digestive enzymes. Metabolic > enzymes “run†your body – they are connected to every organ in the > body. Digestive enzymes are provided by your body to help you > digest, use, and eliminate your food. Digestive enzymes are > activated by seeing, smelling, chewing, or even just thinking > about food. > > The other type of enzyme – food enzymes – your body cannot make. > Food enzymes come from only raw foods. Any time you cook a food > above 110 degrees, you kill the enzymes in that food. Raw foods > contain protease (breaks down protein found in meat, nuts, eggs > and cheese), amylase (breaks down starch, sugars and > carbohydrates), lipase (breaks down fats), and cellulase (breaks > down fiber). > > > > Enzymes are the catalyst or the spark, so to speak, that makes all > the chemical processes in the body work. Without enzymes your body > ceases to function and you would be dead. There are in fact over > 20,000 different enzymes in the body. Science has been able to > classify and identify between 5,000 and 6,000. When you digest > living foods they are replete with enzymes, so your pancreas etc > does not need to manufacture digestive enzymes to digest your > food. Eating cooked food puts a strain on the body. Now there is a > lack of enzymatic action, and the body must work to produce > enzymes to digest the food. Couple that with the extreme acid > producing foods that most people eat,(white flour and sugar > etc)and you get a terrible strain on the digestive system. > > Pick a high quality plant-based enzyme product – do the pudding > test to make sure they are active - open up a capsule and stir it > into pudding – the pudding should liquefy in a minute or two. If > it doesn’t, then the enzymes are dead and will not work in your > body either. Many on the market are dead, so do your research. > > Carol > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 12, 2007 Report Share Posted January 12, 2007 I’m fully in agreement with Don on this one. Lot of fresh whole foods and clean water. Until your digestive tract heals up it needs a rest. After it heals completely you need to add more fiber rich foods and walk away from anything refined forever. Unfortunately diverticulitis will come back if you return to the diet that caused it. Janet From: health [mailto:health ] On Behalf Of Don Eitner Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2007 9:40 PM To: health Subject: Re: Re: enzymes Better yet, just eat more raw foods. Lots of tender leafy greens, raw fruits. Stay away from grains, legumes and excess of starches (pasta, potatoes and other cooked roots) as these all add to your already burdened colon. More salads and fruits will help more with enzymes. Learn about proper food combining too. Also cut down on or cut out altogether dairy and cut down on flesh food (if you eat them). The idea here is to make it easier for your body to do what it does without a excess of exertion (constipation, bowel movements, etc.) Don Carol Minnick wrote: > > Rita, > > > > There are three classes of enzymes. These include plant or food enzymes, found in all raw foods, which start food digestion; digestive enzymes, which are secreted by the pancreas to digest our food; and metabolic enzymes, produced in > the cells to run all body processes. However, " only plant enzymes initiate digestion in the stomach, which is why when you take plant enzymes it spares the pancreas from doing all of your digestion. " Unlike conventional drugs that control body chemistry, plant enzymes enhance nourishment, so that the body can control itself. > > > Your body makes metabolic and digestive enzymes. Metabolic enzymes > “run” your body – they are connected to every organ in the body. > Digestive enzymes are provided by your body to help you digest, use, > and eliminate your food. Digestive enzymes are activated by seeing, > smelling, chewing, or even just thinking about food. > > > > The other type of enzyme – food enzymes – your body cannot make. Food > enzymes come from only raw foods. Any time you cook a food above 110 > degrees, you kill the enzymes in that food. Raw foods contain > protease (breaks down protein found in meat, nuts, eggs and cheese), > amylase (breaks down starch, sugars and carbohydrates), lipase (breaks > down fats), and cellulase (breaks down fiber). > > > > Enzymes are the catalyst or the spark, so to speak, that makes all the > chemical processes in the body work. Without enzymes your body ceases > to function and you would be dead. There are in fact over 20,000 > different enzymes in the body. Science has been able to classify and > identify between 5,000 and 6,000. When you digest living foods they > are replete with enzymes, so your pancreas etc does not need to > manufacture digestive enzymes to digest your food. Eating cooked food > puts a strain on the body. Now there is a lack of enzymatic action, > and the body must work to produce enzymes to digest the food. Couple > that with the extreme acid producing foods that most people eat,(white > flour and sugar etc)and you get a terrible strain on the digestive system. > > > > Pick a high quality plant-based enzyme product – do the pudding test > to make sure they are active - open up a capsule and stir it into > pudding – the pudding should liquefy in a minute or two. If it > doesn’t, then the enzymes are dead and will not work in your body > either. Many on the market are dead, so do your research. > > > > Carol > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 13, 2007 Report Share Posted January 13, 2007 - Hi Don I am confused so I went to our book store today for some reading on health of the tract. Before this episode; attack I followed a regime every monday to move my bowels with two glasses of whole milk and 6-8 prunes it seemed to work for me a long time altho I let out some pretty loud music if you follow my drift! but they weren,t smelly. And every day I started my morning meal with 3-4 small baby carrots chewed. Spinach leaves, a good hand full and maga fish oil pills two kinds and a vitamin supplement with plain or wheat bread buttered and mondays garlic pill. later in the day I ate more carrots two or three sometimes big ones and lunch a normal food serving of meat and veggies cooked, bedtime usually was an apple .. but mind you only mondays was alot of milk and prunes constituted alot of flutance gas but I didn,t think it meant anything because my bowels moved without fail, usually partially diarerria. it didn,t hurt ever tho to strain as Id also do more than Id like to admit. Than I lifted a 24 bottles of 16oz water on sale in a local hardware which told me I hurt alittle in my lower abdomen area, left side but wasn,t concerned because it was hardly noticed or seemed to go away for awhile until I went to bed I began to feel pain when I lay down, by the next day Icouldn,t bring my head off the pillow without effert and the days following got worse with trying to lie down without pain up and down my spine it seemed. Needless to say I knew something was up and made an ppointment with my doctor 4 days later. I truly thought it was hernia related but she took me through some 'tricks' as she called them like tapping my heel on 'that side' and I told her I didn,t feel the little hammer she used, so thats the trick of fnding a hernia, " If you definitely feel more pain " than its a hernia, but mine she said is " diverticulitis. I was put on antibotic pills for ten days, and feel some discomfort at times but not like the attack. Thats why I wanted to fnd all I could about the digestive system and enzymes and how they originate. I brought a juicer and now use it to supplement raw carrots which I love! Its alittle work to clean the screen but so worth the taste! nothing like raw live juices beleive me! I use celery and might try various other veggies or fruit in my juicer. thanks for all the input on this forum.. its great to voice health concerns with such helpful people ! Rita -- In health , Don Eitner <mysticalherbalist@...> wrote: > > Eat more raw and you won't have to worry about a pudding test. > > Fieber wrote: > > Rita > > > > Do you know of any good brands of enzymes that would pass the pudding > > test? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > *From:* Carol Minnick <mailto:carol@...> > > *To:* health > > <mailto:health > > > *Sent:* Thursday, January 11, 2007 6:16 PM > > *Subject:* Re: enzymes > > > > Rita, > > > > There are three classes of enzymes. These include plant or food enzymes, found in all raw foods, which start food digestion; digestive enzymes, which are secreted by the pancreas to digest our food; and metabolic enzymes, produced in > > > > the cells to run all body processes. However, " only plant enzymes initiate digestion in the stomach, which is why when you take plant enzymes it spares the pancreas from doing all of your digestion. " Unlike conventional drugs that control body chemistry, plant enzymes enhance nourishment, so that the body can control itself. > > > > > > > > Your body makes metabolic and digestive enzymes. Metabolic > > enzymes “run†your body †" they are connected to every organ in the > > body. Digestive enzymes are provided by your body to help you > > digest, use, and eliminate your food. Digestive enzymes are > > activated by seeing, smelling, chewing, or even just thinking > > about food. > > > > The other type of enzyme †" food enzymes †" your body cannot make. > > Food enzymes come from only raw foods. Any time you cook a food > > above 110 degrees, you kill the enzymes in that food. Raw foods > > contain protease (breaks down protein found in meat, nuts, eggs > > and cheese), amylase (breaks down starch, sugars and > > carbohydrates), lipase (breaks down fats), and cellulase (breaks > > down fiber). > > > > > > > > Enzymes are the catalyst or the spark, so to speak, that makes all > > the chemical processes in the body work. Without enzymes your body > > ceases to function and you would be dead. There are in fact over > > 20,000 different enzymes in the body. Science has been able to > > classify and identify between 5,000 and 6,000. When you digest > > living foods they are replete with enzymes, so your pancreas etc > > does not need to manufacture digestive enzymes to digest your > > food. Eating cooked food puts a strain on the body. Now there is a > > lack of enzymatic action, and the body must work to produce > > enzymes to digest the food. Couple that with the extreme acid > > producing foods that most people eat,(white flour and sugar > > etc)and you get a terrible strain on the digestive system. > > > > Pick a high quality plant-based enzyme product †" do the pudding > > test to make sure they are active - open up a capsule and stir it > > into pudding †" the pudding should liquefy in a minute or two. If > > it doesn’t, then the enzymes are dead and will not work in your > > body either. Many on the market are dead, so do your research. > > > > Carol > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 13, 2007 Report Share Posted January 13, 2007 - Hi Janet Wow all the help! I appreciate all the help and will continue to rest my colon for a few weeks more. My doctor is seeing me this week to schedule me for a colonoscopy because my dear sister died with colon cancer before it was discovered. But thats another story for another time when opportunity arises. right now I am afraid to eat hot dogs with souce and bologna because they are processed foods right? could you please give some examples of 'refined' foods to stay away from, thanks again. Rita -- In health , " Janet Hamilton " <dragonhealing@...> wrote: > > I'm fully in agreement with Don on this one. Lot of fresh whole foods and > clean water. Until your digestive tract heals up it needs a rest. After it > heals completely you need to add more fiber rich foods and walk away from > anything refined forever. Unfortunately diverticulitis will come back if > you return to the diet that caused it. > > > > Janet > > > > _____ > > From: health > [mailto:health ] On Behalf Of Don Eitner > Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2007 9:40 PM > health > Subject: Re: Re: enzymes > > > > Better yet, just eat more raw foods. Lots of tender leafy greens, raw > fruits. Stay away from grains, legumes and excess of starches (pasta, > potatoes and other cooked roots) as these all add to your already > burdened colon. More salads and fruits will help more with enzymes. > Learn about proper food combining too. Also cut down on or cut out > altogether dairy and cut down on flesh food (if you eat them). > > The idea here is to make it easier for your body to do what it does > without a excess of exertion (constipation, bowel movements, etc.) > > Don > > Carol Minnick wrote: > > > > Rita, > > > > > > > > There are three classes of enzymes. These include plant or food enzymes, > found in all raw foods, which start food digestion; digestive enzymes, which > are secreted by the pancreas to digest our food; and metabolic enzymes, > produced in > > the cells to run all body processes. However, " only plant enzymes initiate > digestion in the stomach, which is why when you take plant enzymes it spares > the pancreas from doing all of your digestion. " Unlike conventional drugs > that control body chemistry, plant enzymes enhance nourishment, so that the > body can control itself. > > > > > > Your body makes metabolic and digestive enzymes. Metabolic enzymes > > " run " your body - they are connected to every organ in the body. > > Digestive enzymes are provided by your body to help you digest, use, > > and eliminate your food. Digestive enzymes are activated by seeing, > > smelling, chewing, or even just thinking about food. > > > > > > > > The other type of enzyme - food enzymes - your body cannot make. Food > > enzymes come from only raw foods. Any time you cook a food above 110 > > degrees, you kill the enzymes in that food. Raw foods contain > > protease (breaks down protein found in meat, nuts, eggs and cheese), > > amylase (breaks down starch, sugars and carbohydrates), lipase (breaks > > down fats), and cellulase (breaks down fiber). > > > > > > > > Enzymes are the catalyst or the spark, so to speak, that makes all the > > chemical processes in the body work. Without enzymes your body ceases > > to function and you would be dead. There are in fact over 20,000 > > different enzymes in the body. Science has been able to classify and > > identify between 5,000 and 6,000. When you digest living foods they > > are replete with enzymes, so your pancreas etc does not need to > > manufacture digestive enzymes to digest your food. Eating cooked food > > puts a strain on the body. Now there is a lack of enzymatic action, > > and the body must work to produce enzymes to digest the food. Couple > > that with the extreme acid producing foods that most people eat, (white > > flour and sugar etc)and you get a terrible strain on the digestive system. > > > > > > > > Pick a high quality plant-based enzyme product - do the pudding test > > to make sure they are active - open up a capsule and stir it into > > pudding - the pudding should liquefy in a minute or two. If it > > doesn't, then the enzymes are dead and will not work in your body > > either. Many on the market are dead, so do your research. > > > > > > > > Carol > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 13, 2007 Report Share Posted January 13, 2007 Food which is heavily processed, usually contains excessive salt and sugar, and lacks any significant nutritional value and/or vitamins. Can you go without eating meat?? And if not, only eat organic meat..that has no chemicals etc... and don't eat it often.snowwolf1779 <snowwolf1779@...> wrote: -Hi JanetWow all the help! I appreciate all the help and will continue to rest my colon for a few weeks more. My doctor is seeing me this week to schedule me for a colonoscopy because my dear sister died with colon cancer before it was discovered. But thats another story for another time when opportunity arises. right now I am afraid to eat hot dogs with souce and bologna because they are processed foods right? could you please give some examples of 'refined' foods to stay away from, thanks again.Rita Everyone is raving about the all-new beta. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 13, 2007 Report Share Posted January 13, 2007 Here is a reply that was posted on another raw list I am on. I am including the original posters name with his permission: "..... Enzymes form a class of proteins, nothing more, nothing less. They perform 2 specific functions throughout all of Nature: they either put things together, or they take things apart. When they take things apart and they also happen to be located in the digestive system, we call them "digestive enzymes". When the very same enzymes are located on white blood cells and perform the very same function, we call them by other names. I mean, not the individual enzymes, but we no longer call them "digestive". Now they become part of our mythological "immune system". The human body is known to use more than 3000 (last time I checked) different enzymes throughout its metabolic infrastructure. Of these, approximately two dozen are classified as "digestive enzymes". There are simply not enough enzymes in any food of which I am aware to support digestion inside a human body in the time required for healthful digestion. That is, the vast majority of the digestive enzymes are ALWAYS provided by the body. Years ago (1930, 1937), a research scientist named Kouchakoff published two papers on his observations, noting that when people ate cooked foods, the body tended to initiate a response he called "digestive leukocytosis". In other words, white blood cells flooded the blood stream, presumably to deal with the cooked "food" as foreign matter. BUT ... Kouchakoff also found that by feeding a person a small quantity of a given food raw, then following with the same food cooked (or sometimes combined), the tendency toward digestive leukocytosis pretty much disappeared. To my knowledge, Kouchakoff's experiments have never been replicated, much less expanded upon. Some in the RF world have jumped upon his findings as a justification for eating RF. They are not. At the very most, we might observe that, perhaps, when the body receives the raw form of a food, the body picks up on what is needed to digest that food and then manages to digest the cooked form of the same food. But even this conclusion is speculative. Further, that notion that we have a fixed lifetime supply of enzymes, or of digestive enzymes, or whatever, is well-written nonsense -- it's simply false. The potential lifespan for our species is presently unknown. Most longevity experts agree that we have the potential to live at least 140-160 years, but that is more of an arm-wave then constructive science. Years ago, another scientist (whose name eludes my memory for the moment) at the Rockefeller Institute in New York took some human cells and put them into a culture dish. He (his team) provided nourishment and waste removal and observed. I cannot remember exactly, but I believe that, after watching the cells thrive without aging for more than thirty years, the team threw out the experiment, not knowing how to use their findings. The point of all this is that, if our individual cells can thrive in such a way, then our entire organism can, as well. Enzymes are simply not a primary reason for eating raw food, or anything else, for that matter. It is true that, when eating cooked food, adding a pile of digestive enzymes aids digestion, but people simply assume this occurs because the added enzymes enhance the digestive process directly. This may be so, to an extent, but it is equally likely that the body recognizes the enzymes, treats them as a model, and goes from there. Sorry to burst a big bubble! Best to all, Elchanan" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 13, 2007 Report Share Posted January 13, 2007 What you need is a colon flush- Heat one quart of distilled water, or better yet, Colloidal silver, to LUKE WARM, dissolve in it one tablespoon of sea salt, -not white salt, and drink it all down, it will bypass the Kidneys and flush out the entire digestive tract, -no more gas, but stay home that day, near a toilet. (It's not as bad as you think.) This is what I do. Good luck. > > > Rita > > > > > > Do you know of any good brands of enzymes that would pass the > pudding > > > test? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > *From:* Carol Minnick <mailto:carol@> > > > *To:* health > > > <mailto:health > > > > *Sent:* Thursday, January 11, 2007 6:16 PM > > > *Subject:* Re: enzymes > > > > > > Rita, > > > > > > There are three classes of enzymes. These include plant or > food enzymes, found in all raw foods, which start food digestion; > digestive enzymes, which are secreted by the pancreas to digest our > food; and metabolic enzymes, produced in > > > > > > the cells to run all body processes. However, " only plant > enzymes initiate digestion in the stomach, which is why when you take > plant enzymes it spares the pancreas from doing all of your > digestion. " Unlike conventional drugs that control body chemistry, > plant enzymes enhance nourishment, so that the body can control > itself. > > > > > > > > > > > > Your body makes metabolic and digestive enzymes. Metabolic > > > enzymes “run†your body †" they are connected to every > organ in the > > > body. Digestive enzymes are provided by your body to help you > > > digest, use, and eliminate your food. Digestive enzymes are > > > activated by seeing, smelling, chewing, or even just thinking > > > about food. > > > > > > The other type of enzyme †" food enzymes †" your body > cannot make. > > > Food enzymes come from only raw foods. Any time you cook a > food > > > above 110 degrees, you kill the enzymes in that food. Raw > foods > > > contain protease (breaks down protein found in meat, nuts, > eggs > > > and cheese), amylase (breaks down starch, sugars and > > > carbohydrates), lipase (breaks down fats), and cellulase > (breaks > > > down fiber). > > > > > > > > > > > > Enzymes are the catalyst or the spark, so to speak, that > makes all > > > the chemical processes in the body work. Without enzymes your > body > > > ceases to function and you would be dead. There are in fact > over > > > 20,000 different enzymes in the body. Science has been able to > > > classify and identify between 5,000 and 6,000. When you > digest > > > living foods they are replete with enzymes, so your pancreas > etc > > > does not need to manufacture digestive enzymes to digest your > > > food. Eating cooked food puts a strain on the body. Now there > is a > > > lack of enzymatic action, and the body must work to produce > > > enzymes to digest the food. Couple that with the extreme acid > > > producing foods that most people eat,(white flour and sugar > > > etc)and you get a terrible strain on the digestive system. > > > > > > Pick a high quality plant-based enzyme product †" do the > pudding > > > test to make sure they are active - open up a capsule and > stir it > > > into pudding †" the pudding should liquefy in a minute or > two. If > > > it doesn’t, then the enzymes are dead and will not work in > your > > > body either. Many on the market are dead, so do your research. > > > > > > Carol > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 13, 2007 Report Share Posted January 13, 2007 Hi Rita, Pretty much anything that is made by man in the way of foods is refined. Your best bet is to stay clear of anything that comes in a box, bottle, package or carton. You cannot trust the good folks at Nestles, General Mills, Tony Roma's or any other company that prepares your food for you. It is always in your best interest to purchase the raw, living, organic ingredients and prepare your own dishes. Any prepared meats are nothing more than toxins in a casing just waiting to poison and/or annihilate your digestive system. Be kind to yourself. Juices are fine but add the pulp back in. The body needs the pulp too. That carrot is a whole food why make it less so by removing the pulp. The Grand Designer made everything complete. All of our foods should be complete and whole, not fractionated. By the way, welcome to our family of geeks, nerds, Guido's, Guidettes, and other assorted off the wall personalities. We are all family and we do our best to act that way but Mama Suzi keeps us all in line. Don snowwolf1779 wrote: > - > > Hi Janet > > Wow all the help! I appreciate all the help and will continue to rest > my colon for a few weeks more. My doctor is seeing me this week to > schedule me for a colonoscopy because my dear sister died with colon > cancer before it was discovered. But thats another story for another > time when opportunity arises. right now I am afraid to eat hot dogs > with souce and bologna because they are processed foods right? could > you please give some examples of 'refined' foods to stay away from, > thanks again. > Rita > > -- In health , " Janet Hamilton " > <dragonhealing@...> wrote: > >> I'm fully in agreement with Don on this one. Lot of fresh whole >> > foods and > >> clean water. Until your digestive tract heals up it needs a rest. >> > After it > >> heals completely you need to add more fiber rich foods and walk >> > away from > >> anything refined forever. Unfortunately diverticulitis will come >> > back if > >> you return to the diet that caused it. >> >> >> >> Janet >> >> >> >> _____ >> >> From: health >> [mailto:health ] On Behalf Of Don >> > Eitner > >> Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2007 9:40 PM >> health >> Subject: Re: Re: enzymes >> >> >> >> Better yet, just eat more raw foods. Lots of tender leafy greens, >> > raw > >> fruits. Stay away from grains, legumes and excess of starches >> > (pasta, > >> potatoes and other cooked roots) as these all add to your already >> burdened colon. More salads and fruits will help more with enzymes. >> Learn about proper food combining too. Also cut down on or cut out >> altogether dairy and cut down on flesh food (if you eat them). >> >> The idea here is to make it easier for your body to do what it does >> without a excess of exertion (constipation, bowel movements, etc.) >> >> Don >> >> Carol Minnick wrote: >> >>> Rita, >>> >>> >>> >>> There are three classes of enzymes. These include plant or food >>> > enzymes, > >> found in all raw foods, which start food digestion; digestive >> > enzymes, which > >> are secreted by the pancreas to digest our food; and metabolic >> > enzymes, > >> produced in >> >>> the cells to run all body processes. However, " only plant enzymes >>> > initiate > >> digestion in the stomach, which is why when you take plant enzymes >> > it spares > >> the pancreas from doing all of your digestion. " Unlike conventional >> > drugs > >> that control body chemistry, plant enzymes enhance nourishment, so >> > that the > >> body can control itself. >> >>> Your body makes metabolic and digestive enzymes. Metabolic enzymes >>> " run " your body - they are connected to every organ in the body. >>> Digestive enzymes are provided by your body to help you digest, >>> > use, > >>> and eliminate your food. Digestive enzymes are activated by >>> > seeing, > >>> smelling, chewing, or even just thinking about food. >>> >>> >>> >>> The other type of enzyme - food enzymes - your body cannot make. >>> > Food > >>> enzymes come from only raw foods. Any time you cook a food above >>> > 110 > >>> degrees, you kill the enzymes in that food. Raw foods contain >>> protease (breaks down protein found in meat, nuts, eggs and >>> > cheese), > >>> amylase (breaks down starch, sugars and carbohydrates), lipase >>> > (breaks > >>> down fats), and cellulase (breaks down fiber). >>> >>> >>> >>> Enzymes are the catalyst or the spark, so to speak, that makes >>> > all the > >>> chemical processes in the body work. Without enzymes your body >>> > ceases > >>> to function and you would be dead. There are in fact over 20,000 >>> different enzymes in the body. Science has been able to classify >>> > and > >>> identify between 5,000 and 6,000. When you digest living foods >>> > they > >>> are replete with enzymes, so your pancreas etc does not need to >>> manufacture digestive enzymes to digest your food. Eating cooked >>> > food > >>> puts a strain on the body. Now there is a lack of enzymatic >>> > action, > >>> and the body must work to produce enzymes to digest the food. >>> > Couple > >>> that with the extreme acid producing foods that most people eat, >>> > (white > >>> flour and sugar etc)and you get a terrible strain on the >>> > digestive system. > >>> >>> Pick a high quality plant-based enzyme product - do the pudding >>> > test > >>> to make sure they are active - open up a capsule and stir it into >>> pudding - the pudding should liquefy in a minute or two. If it >>> doesn't, then the enzymes are dead and will not work in your body >>> either. Many on the market are dead, so do your research. >>> >>> >>> >>> Carol >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 13, 2007 Report Share Posted January 13, 2007 See my notes in RED. SV wrote: Here is a reply that was posted on another raw list I am on. I am including the original posters name with his permission: "..... Enzymes form a class of proteins, nothing more, nothing less. They perform 2 specific functions throughout all of Nature: they either put things together, or they take things apart. When they take things apart and they also happen to be located in the digestive system, we call them "digestive enzymes". When the very same enzymes are located on white blood cells and perform the very same function, we call them by other names. I mean, not the individual enzymes, but we no longer call them "digestive". Now they become part of our mythological "immune system". It is true that there is no such thing as an immune system. There is an immune response but no such thing as an immune system. All things are defined by their function and this even extends to enzymes, hence we have what we call digestive enzymes even though these very same enzymes may provide other functions in other parts of the body. The human body is known to use more than 3000 (last time I checked) different enzymes throughout its metabolic infrastructure. Of these, approximately two dozen are classified as "digestive enzymes". There are simply not enough enzymes in any food of which I am aware to support digestion inside a human body in the time required for healthful digestion. That is, the vast majority of the digestive enzymes are ALWAYS provided by the body. ????What kind of statement is that??? This is a very true statement to make about cooked food, certainly. There are more than enough enzymes in raw living foods to "support" and the key word here that the author used is "support" digestion in the human organism as it does in any living organism. However, digestion is much more than enzymes or enzymatic action. Digestion, as it is related to your continued good health and longevity is more about energy expenditure than it is about enzymes. It takes more digestive energy for the human organism to digest cooked food than it does for the same organism to digest raw living foods. Now tell me again that there are simply not enough enzymes in any food to support digestion inside the human body in the time required for healthful digestion. Years ago (1930, 1937), a research scientist named Kouchakoff published two papers on his observations, noting that when people ate cooked foods, the body tended to initiate a response he called "digestive leukocytosis". In other words, white blood cells flooded the blood stream, presumably to deal with the cooked "food" as foreign matter. BUT ... Kouchakoff also found that by feeding a person a small quantity of a given food raw, then following with the same food cooked (or sometimes combined), the tendency toward digestive leukocytosis pretty much disappeared. To my knowledge, Kouchakoff's experiments have never been replicated, much less expanded upon. Actually, they found that one had to eat about 50% of their meal raw and had to eat it before eating the cooked. However, this, as stated, has never been replicated nor expanded upon. Some in the RF world have jumped upon his findings as a justification for eating RF. They are not. I disagree. At the very most, we might observe that, perhaps, when the body receives the raw form of a food, the body picks up on what is needed to digest that food and then manages to digest the cooked form of the same food. But even this conclusion is speculative. Very speculative. Further, that notion that we have a fixed lifetime supply of enzymes, or of digestive enzymes, or whatever, is well-written nonsense -- it's simply false. The potential lifespan for our species is presently unknown. Most longevity experts agree that we have the potential to live at least 140-160 years, but that is more of an arm-wave then constructive science. Depending on what you eat will certainly determine whether or not you have a fixed supply of the proper functioning enzymes. The human body needs organic minerals, vitamins, simple sugars and amino acids, (that only come from 100% living raw foods) in order to manufacture these enzymes. Eating a totally cooked food based diet will not provide the necessary materials to build properly made and functioning enzymes. Now, I agree that the human body is very capable of living much, much longer than our present life spans. It isn't the enzymes we run short of it is the energy needed to continue living that we run short of. This happens when we eat a less than optimal diet and live a less than optimal lifestyle. It really and truly is all about energy, not enzymes, proteins, carbohydrates and such. When you run short of the necessary energy, clogging your body with metabolic wastes through attempting to survive on a cooked or toxic food regimen then you will run short of energy and will not be able to manufacture proper enzymes. Hell, you can't even manufacture proper cells living on a cooked or toxic food diet. This is why so many people have less than perfect organs and tissues. If you don't give the organism what it needs to properly build, repair and maintain all the microscopic cellular machinery then there is going to be a breakdown in the system which will eventually lead to serious problems or even death. Again this is truly not about enzymes but about energy. The body doesn't use vitamins. The body doesn't use minerals. The body doesn't use proteins. The body uses energy that it extracts from these materials. It is the energy that is needed to assemble the bodies enzymes in the first place. It is the energy that is needed to make a cell, or an organelle. It is energy that is used to split cells. It is all energy. But there are different forms of energy. True there is energy in cooked foods but it is of a very low vibration. Whereas energy in living foods is very high indeed and is what is needed by the human organism for continued good health and longevity. Years ago, another scientist (whose name eludes my memory for the moment) at the Rockefeller Institute in New York took some human cells and put them into a culture dish. He (his team) provided nourishment and waste removal and observed. I cannot remember exactly, but I believe that, after watching the cells thrive without aging for more than thirty years, the team threw out the experiment, not knowing how to use their findings. The point of all this is that, if our individual cells can thrive in such a way, then our entire organism can, as well. Enzymes are simply not a primary reason for eating raw food, or anything else, for that matter. It is true that, when eating cooked food, adding a pile of digestive enzymes aids digestion, but people simply assume this occurs because the added enzymes enhance the digestive process directly. This may be so, to an extent, but it is equally likely that the body recognizes the enzymes, treats them as a model, and goes from there. I agree that enzymes are not the primary reason for eating raw living foods. The primary reason for eating raw living foods is to give the body the necessary organic building materials that it needs to repair, rebuid and maintain a fully funtioning, energetic and healthy body. However, the enzymes in living raw foods do assist the human organism in that we need to expend much less energy in digesting raw foods than we do in digesting cooked foods. This is the role played by enzymes in raw living foods. It all comes down to energy and choice. Sorry to burst a big bubble! Best to all, Elchanan" Don't see that any bubble was burst but I do see a lack of information as this post is quite one sided and from my perspective and in my humble opinion shows a lack of understanding or is aimed at misinformation. Just my thoughts. Don Quai Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 13, 2007 Report Share Posted January 13, 2007 Hi Shari, I know Elchanan and he does state that he is a practioner of Natural Hygiene. There are a lot of practitioners of Natural Hygiene but that doesn't mean they know what they are talking about necessarily. You want truth in a lot of this listen to the advice of Rust. He has, from my opinion, a much more developed ideology on these topics than Elchanan. I am not putting Elchanan down either. I like how thinks and reasons. Elchanan seems a bit ...hmmm... how to say, well he seems to gloss over or mis-state key issues such as, " there not being enough enzymes in raw food to " support " digestion in the human body " of those foods we eat. In cooked food yes, in raw food I believe he misunderstands some key concepts. I am not purporting that I am above reproach here either. Just my way of thinking. I see Elchanan as being more biased in his approach to some of his ideologies whereas, presents the facts and truth of the matter from all angles. Okay, I have given it some thought and I feel that spends more time in reflecting and contemplating the issues than does Elchanan. This is not a put down either just my opinion for whatever it is worth. I have seen conversations 'twixt the two and clearly, at least in my mind, is much better at presenting the issues and disspelling any false data that may be hanging around said issues. I know that you have seen these same conversations on Rawschool or maybe even over at RawFood. Don SV wrote: > Interesting, Don. This man is a practioner of Natural Hygiene and I > thought what he had to say was quite good; but what do I know. > > I take enzymes when I eat cooked food. > > Shari > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 13, 2007 Report Share Posted January 13, 2007 In reality though, the human body does not need anything but energy. This energy is derived from the action of organic minerals and vitamins along with glucose (a simple sugar) and amino acids and enzymes. The building blocks for the entire body come from raw living foods which is the only food that can give the body these building blocks without a great expenditure of energy. Anything less than raw living foods will require a greater expenditure of energy from the organism. You know a lot Shari, why sell yourself short with a self-defeating statement like " What do I know! " You know just as much as anyone else on any subject. After all, all knowledge is already inside each and everyone of us. Just most of us have not figured out the best way to tap into it is all. Man's original food is the light of God; Material food is not for him; But from disease, his mind has fallen into the delusion That day and night he should eat only this food. He is pale, weak and faint: Where is the food of heaven which has starry tracks? That is the food of the chosen, Food eaten without fork or throat. -Rumi SV wrote: > Interesting, Don. This man is a practioner of Natural Hygiene and I > thought what he had to say was quite good; but what do I know. > > I take enzymes when I eat cooked food. > > Shari > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 13, 2007 Report Share Posted January 13, 2007 Pretty much anything that is made by man in the way of foods is refined. Your best bet is to stay clear of anything that comes in a box, bottle, package or carton. The only processed foods that I buy are oils, occasionally tofu, miso, organic soymilk and sometimes canned tomatoes. I get organic canned tomatoes but not the organic ones they sell in the grocery store. I believe DelMonte makes some but read the label...they have sugar in them. I can't think of the name of the ones I get but they are just organic tomatoes in a can...nothing else added. In the supermarket I bascially just hit the produce stand and that's it. Oh...and I have one unopened bag of frozen corn in the freezer "just in case". Can't get fresh corn right now. Gloria Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 13, 2007 Report Share Posted January 13, 2007 Hi Rita, I get a colonoscpoy yearly, as my father died from colon cancer. I hate getting them, but recognize the necessity. I am basically vegitarian, but absolutely LOVE red meat. I indulge once in a while. And to totally gross you out, when I eat it, I eat it raw. My body cannot handle cooked meat, but I have no problem digesting raw meat. I make sure it is organic and range fed. Stay away from bologna and hot dogs!! Consider them radioactive! They carry The Plague. Aliens are using them to take over our minds! Run Run RUN!!! Also try to avoid unsprouted flour, or flour in general. Try switching to other grain breads like spelt. Lots of fresh raw veggies. And remember, LOTS OF WATER!! Up to a gallon and a half a day if you are doing average activities. More if you do daily heavily physical stuff. And LAUGH!!! Enjoy the Moment. Take in the love that others have for you, and commit random acts of kindness. Peace, love, laughter > > - > > Hi Janet > > Wow all the help! I appreciate all the help and will continue to rest > my colon for a few weeks more. My doctor is seeing me this week to > schedule me for a colonoscopy because my dear sister died with colon > cancer before it was discovered. But thats another story for another > time when opportunity arises. right now I am afraid to eat hot dogs > with souce and bologna because they are processed foods right? could > you please give some examples of 'refined' foods to stay away from, > thanks again. > Rita Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 13, 2007 Report Share Posted January 13, 2007 Your a smart girl Gloria. The vegetable/fruit section in any grocery store is the only section worth buying anything from at all, IMHO. ;-) MorningGlory113@... wrote: Pretty much anything that is made by man in the way of foods is refined. Your best bet is to stay clear of anything that comes in a box, bottle, package or carton. The only processed foods that I buy are oils, occasionally tofu, miso, organic soymilk and sometimes canned tomatoes. I get organic canned tomatoes but not the organic ones they sell in the grocery store. I believe DelMonte makes some but read the label...they have sugar in them. I can't think of the name of the ones I get but they are just organic tomatoes in a can...nothing else added. In the supermarket I bascially just hit the produce stand and that's it. Oh...and I have one unopened bag of frozen corn in the freezer "just in case". Can't get fresh corn right now. Gloria Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 14, 2007 Report Share Posted January 14, 2007 Hi Don and this wonderful forum! Iwon,t answer each email this time because reading each one is a save for me. I am grateful for all of the answers and caring family here. I will add the pulp back in as suggested because it seems such a waste to throw it out, perhaps I can even add it in a stew or jello. Rita Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 14, 2007 Report Share Posted January 14, 2007 Enzymes are only proteins. They are not bacteria and yes, all living things consist of enzymes that will break down the organism. Your own body enzymes will break down your body after death. Don snowwolf1779 wrote: > Hi Don and everyone > > One last question, could you say that enyzmes are 'good bacteria' or > does it breakdown bacteria? just wondering > > Rita > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 15, 2007 Report Share Posted January 15, 2007 There is no immune system???? Uh huh. I'm having a very difficult time accepting that piece of information. What is your source for that statement? Lynn in CA. On 1/12/07, Don Eitner <mysticalherbalist@...> wrote: See my notes in RED.SV wrote: Here is a reply that was posted on another raw list I am on. I am including the original posters name with his permission: " ..... Enzymes form a class of proteins, nothing more, nothing less. They perform 2 specific functions throughout all of Nature: they either put things together, or they take things apart. When they take things apart and they also happen to be located in the digestive system, we call them " digestive enzymes " . When the very same enzymes are located on white blood cells and perform the very same function, we call them by other names. I mean, not the individual enzymes, but we no longer call them " digestive " . Now they become part of our mythological " immune system " . It is true that there is no such thing as an immune system. There is an immune response but no such thing as an immune system. All things are defined by their function and this even extends to enzymes, hence we have what we call digestive enzymes even though these very same enzymes may provide other functions in other parts of the body. Recent Activity 3 New Members Visit Your Group Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 16, 2007 Report Share Posted January 16, 2007 Hi Lynn, Look in any Anatomy and physiology book Lynn. There is no such thing as an immune system. The body will have an immune response but there is not a system (by itself) as one does not exist. What we commonly call an immune system is the lymphatic system and it is not just for immunity. The body has a circulatory system, a skeletal system, a lymphatic system (and yes it does help in providing for immunity but so does the circulatory system, the skeletal system, etc.). There is no one system that is known specifically as an immune system. Don Lynn wrote: > > There is no immune system???? Uh huh. I'm having a very difficult > time accepting that piece of information. What is your source for > that statement? > > Lynn > in CA. > > > > On 1/12/07, *Don Eitner* <mysticalherbalist@... > <mailto:mysticalherbalist@...>> wrote: > > See my notes in RED. > > SV wrote: > >> Here is a reply that was posted on another raw list I am on. I >> am including the original posters name with his permission: >> >> " ..... >> Enzymes form a class of proteins, nothing more, nothing less. >> They perform 2 specific functions throughout all of Nature: they >> either put things together, or they take things apart. When they >> take things apart and they also happen to be located in the >> digestive system, we call them " digestive enzymes " . When the very >> same enzymes are located on white blood cells and perform the >> very same function, we call them by other names. I mean, not the >> individual enzymes, but we no longer call them " digestive " . Now >> they become part of our mythological " immune system " . It is true >> that there is no such thing as an immune system. There is an >> immune response but no such thing as an immune system. All things >> are defined by their function and this even extends to enzymes, >> hence we have what we call digestive enzymes even though these >> very same enzymes may provide other functions in other parts of >> the body. >> > Recent Activity > > * > 3 > New Members > <health/members;_ylc=X3oDMTJnbmVpN2\ 02BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzEyNDgwOTk0BGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNTA2MDgxNQRzZWMDdnRsBHNsaw\ N2bWJycwRzdGltZQMxMTY4NjY3NzU0> > > Visit Your Group > <health;_ylc=X3oDMTJmc3I2Z2lyBF9TAz\ k3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzEyNDgwOTk0BGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNTA2MDgxNQRzZWMDdnRsBHNsawN2Z2hwBH\ N0aW1lAzExNjg2Njc3NTQ-> > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 16, 2007 Report Share Posted January 16, 2007 Or looking at it another way, there is no surgeon in the world who has ever operated on an immune system. A lymphatic system, a circulatory system, the skeletal system, etc. yes, but no one has ever operated on the immune system. Immunity is performed by the whole organism and not just a single part. Hope this helps Lynn. I know that medical knowledge tends to lead us to believe that there really is a separate system that we can call the immune system but in fact there really is no such single animal. It is the combined organism the provides and immune response and nothing more. Don Lynn wrote: > > There is no immune system???? Uh huh. I'm having a very difficult > time accepting that piece of information. What is your source for > that statement? > > Lynn > in CA. > > > > On 1/12/07, *Don Eitner* <mysticalherbalist@... > <mailto:mysticalherbalist@...>> wrote: > > See my notes in RED. > > SV wrote: > >> Here is a reply that was posted on another raw list I am on. I >> am including the original posters name with his permission: >> >> " ..... >> Enzymes form a class of proteins, nothing more, nothing less. >> They perform 2 specific functions throughout all of Nature: they >> either put things together, or they take things apart. When they >> take things apart and they also happen to be located in the >> digestive system, we call them " digestive enzymes " . When the very >> same enzymes are located on white blood cells and perform the >> very same function, we call them by other names. I mean, not the >> individual enzymes, but we no longer call them " digestive " . Now >> they become part of our mythological " immune system " . It is true >> that there is no such thing as an immune system. There is an >> immune response but no such thing as an immune system. All things >> are defined by their function and this even extends to enzymes, >> hence we have what we call digestive enzymes even though these >> very same enzymes may provide other functions in other parts of >> the body. >> > Recent Activity > > * > 3 > New Members > <health/members;_ylc=X3oDMTJnbmVpN2\ 02BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzEyNDgwOTk0BGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNTA2MDgxNQRzZWMDdnRsBHNsaw\ N2bWJycwRzdGltZQMxMTY4NjY3NzU0> > > Visit Your Group > <health;_ylc=X3oDMTJmc3I2Z2lyBF9TAz\ k3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzEyNDgwOTk0BGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNTA2MDgxNQRzZWMDdnRsBHNsawN2Z2hwBH\ N0aW1lAzExNjg2Njc3NTQ-> > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 16, 2007 Report Share Posted January 16, 2007 He’s right, it is a misnomer. There are multiple systems in the body that deal with immunity. Janet From: health [mailto:health ] On Behalf Of Don Eitner Sent: Monday, January 15, 2007 10:05 PM health Subject: Re: Re: enzymes Hi Lynn, Look in any Anatomy and physiology book Lynn. There is no such thing as an immune system. The body will have an immune response but there is not a system (by itself) as one does not exist. What we commonly call an immune system is the lymphatic system and it is not just for immunity. The body has a circulatory system, a skeletal system, a lymphatic system (and yes it does help in providing for immunity but so does the circulatory system, the skeletal system, etc.). There is no one system that is known specifically as an immune system. Don Lynn wrote: > > There is no immune system???? Uh huh. I'm having a very difficult > time accepting that piece of information. What is your source for > that statement? > > Lynn > in CA. > > > > On 1/12/07, *Don Eitner* <mysticalherbalist > <mailto:mysticalherbalist >> wrote: > > See my notes in RED. > > SV wrote: > >> Here is a reply that was posted on another raw list I am on. I >> am including the original posters name with his permission: >> >> " ..... >> Enzymes form a class of proteins, nothing more, nothing less. >> They perform 2 specific functions throughout all of Nature: they >> either put things together, or they take things apart. When they >> take things apart and they also happen to be located in the >> digestive system, we call them " digestive enzymes " . When the very >> same enzymes are located on white blood cells and perform the >> very same function, we call them by other names. I mean, not the >> individual enzymes, but we no longer call them " digestive " . Now >> they become part of our mythological " immune system " . It is true >> that there is no such thing as an immune system. There is an >> immune response but no such thing as an immune system. All things >> are defined by their function and this even extends to enzymes, >> hence we have what we call digestive enzymes even though these >> very same enzymes may provide other functions in other parts of >> the body. >> > Recent Activity > > * > 3 > New Members > <health/members;_ylc=X3oDMTJnbmVpN202BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzEyNDgwOTk0BGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNTA2MDgxNQRzZWMDdnRsBHNsawN2bWJycwRzdGltZQMxMTY4NjY3NzU0> > > Visit Your Group > <health;_ylc=X3oDMTJmc3I2Z2lyBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzEyNDgwOTk0BGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNTA2MDgxNQRzZWMDdnRsBHNsawN2Z2hwBHN0aW1lAzExNjg2Njc3NTQ-> > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 16, 2007 Report Share Posted January 16, 2007 Huh. The Essentials of Human Anatomy and Physiology by Elaine Marieb, contains the Immune System. Lynn in CA. On 1/15/07, Don Eitner <mysticalherbalist@...> wrote: Hi Lynn,Look in any Anatomy and physiology book Lynn. There is no such thing asan immune system. The body will have an immune response but there is nota system (by itself) as one does not exist. What we commonly call an immune system is the lymphatic system and it is not just for immunity.The body has a circulatory system, a skeletal system, a lymphatic system(and yes it does help in providing for immunity but so does the circulatory system, the skeletal system, etc.). There is no one systemthat is known specifically as an immune system.DonLynn wrote:> > There is no immune system???? Uh huh. I'm having a very difficult > time accepting that piece of information. What is your source for> that statement?> > Lynn> in CA.>> .. -- We are happier in many ways when we are old than when we were young. The young sow wild oats. The old grow sage. - Sir Winston Churchill (1874-1965) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 17, 2007 Report Share Posted January 17, 2007 Hi Lynn, I realize that your medical training is not much different from mine. However, contrary to what your medical books will tell you there is no immune system. It is a misnomer. Yes, my A & P book contains and immune system too but look a little deeper. The immune system they talk about is in fact comprised of the whole organism. The lymphatic system being the base as it is the major part of the sewer system of the body. The so called immune system even comprises the circulatory system, the skeletal system, the integumentary. Matter of fact, the so called " immune system " is comprised of the whole body. You cannot separate out the immune system as you can the lymphatic system, etc. This is why I have made the statement that there is no such system but the whole organism is the system. Don't know if this helps you understand any but you are totally entitled to your choice in beliefs. Don Lynn wrote: > > Huh. The Essentials of Human Anatomy and Physiology by Elaine Marieb, > contains the Immune System. > > Lynn > in CA. > > > > > On 1/15/07, *Don Eitner* <mysticalherbalist@... > <mailto:mysticalherbalist@...>> wrote: > > Hi Lynn, > > Look in any Anatomy and physiology book Lynn. There is no such > thing as > an immune system. The body will have an immune response but there > is not > a system (by itself) as one does not exist. What we commonly call an > immune system is the lymphatic system and it is not just for immunity. > > The body has a circulatory system, a skeletal system, a lymphatic > system > (and yes it does help in providing for immunity but so does the > circulatory system, the skeletal system, etc.). There is no one system > that is known specifically as an immune system. > > Don > > Lynn wrote: > > > > There is no immune system???? Uh huh. I'm having a very difficult > > time accepting that piece of information. What is your source for > > that statement? > > > > Lynn > > in CA. > > > > > > . > > > > > -- > We are happier in many ways when we are old than when we were young. > The young sow wild oats. The old grow sage. > - Sir Winston Churchill (1874-1965) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 17, 2007 Report Share Posted January 17, 2007 Oww!!! My thinking is being stretched! I guess I never really thought about it, just took it for granted. So, unlike the Nervous System, which is basically nerve pathways and the brain; or the Digestive System, which we all can picture, the " Immune System " really is not a single cohesive, physical system, but rather a synergestic working of many other " systems " to affect an immunilogical response in the (host) body. So, in a metaphorical sense, it is still a " system " . OUCH!!!! Peace, love, laughter > > Hi Lynn, > > I realize that your medical training is not much different from mine. > However, contrary to what your medical books will tell you there is no > immune system. It is a misnomer. Yes, my A & P book contains and immune > system too but look a little deeper. The immune system they talk about > is in fact comprised of the whole organism. The lymphatic system being > the base as it is the major part of the sewer system of the body. The so > called immune system even comprises the circulatory system, the skeletal > system, the integumentary. Matter of fact, the so called " immune system " > is comprised of the whole body. You cannot separate out the immune > system as you can the lymphatic system, etc. This is why I have made the > statement that there is no such system but the whole organism is the system. > > Don't know if this helps you understand any but you are totally entitled > to your choice in beliefs. > > Don Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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