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Laurie,

It is true that glutathione is needed to detox mercury from the body.

I regard a high mercury reading in hair analysis as evidence that the

particular PWC is in what I call the main subset, i.e., the one that

is caused by glutathione depletion. These are the people who I

believe will be helped by ImmunePro and other nondenatured whey

protein products.

Taking N-acetylcysteine (NAC) is another way to build glutathione,

since it supplies cysteine, which is usually the limiting substrate

for glutathione synthesis. However, it has been argued by Dr.

Bounous, the developer of Immunocal, that it is not as good as whey.

I don't understand the pros and cons of this yet.

Dr. Quig of Doctor's Data Laboratories recommends that the NAC

dose be limited to 200 to 300 mg per day, together with a high

protein

diet, if a person has a big mercury load. The reason he gives is

that

higher dosages of NAC under this circumstance can move mercury from

other parts of the body into the brain, rather than eliminating it

from the body.

Rich

> Has anyone tried this? From http://www.nutritionfocus.com

>

> " DESCRIPTION

> N-acetyl cysteine is derived from cysteine found in food and

> synthesized in the body. It helps the body synthesize glutathione.

>

> ACTIONS

> Antidote (acetaminophen poisoning), antioxidant, bronchomucolytic,

> corneal vulnerary, expectorant, helps maintain levels of

glutathione,

> mucolytic.

>

> INDICATIONS

> Acetaminophen poisoning, asthma, bronchitis, emphysema,

environmental

> toxins, HIV1, heart disease, respiratory disorders.

> REFERENCES

> 1. de Quay B., Malinverni R., Lauterburg B.H. Glutathione depletion

> in HIV-infected patients: role of cysteine deficiency and effect of

> oral N-acetylcysteine. AIDS 1992; 6: 815-819. "

>

> And from

> http://www.tyler-inc.com/detox.htm

> This is a description of their product, and so it doesn't give any

> information to back up its statement...the usual thing to sell the

> item. The Tyler line is sold by Modern Herbalist

> http://www.modernherbalist.com

> and I get 10 undecenoic acid from them, Formula 722, which is very

> good, if that means anything about the tyler item. The reason I

> included it in this post is the statement about mercury toxicity

> occuring through intracellular glutathione depletion. Comments?

>

> " Mercury Detox - No. 703 - 60 caps

> Contains specific nutrients and cofactors utilized by

detoxification

> pathways involved with mercury elimination. Sources of mercury

> exposure include dental amalgam, contaminated fish, soil, water and

> other environmental sources. Mercury toxicity occurs primarily

> through intracellular glutathione depletion and oxidative damage. N-

> Acetyl-L-Cysteine has been shown to increase both intracellular and

> mitochondrial glutathione levels, and to exhibit chelating effects

on

> mercury and other heavy metals. Selenium has been shown to take

part

> in mercury detoxification through competition for binding sites,

> formation of inactive mercury-selenium compounds and prevention of

> oxidative damage. "

>

> Laurie Lassesen

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Laurie,

I have tried NAC - it made me really sick - no doubt about it. It depends

on how well you tolerate sulfur type substances which are the Hg chelators.

These worlds are crossed and welcome to them! Some people do really really

well with NAC - it is in alot of holistic dentists and mds protocols prior

to amalgam removal as well as after. Sufur intolerance, general liver

function can be determined by Great Smokies Comprehensive Liver Detox Test

one of the challenges is acitominaphen...) . Will show where one is weak -

phase 1, phase 2 etc in detail.

Hope this helps some.

> Has anyone tried this? From http://www.nutritionfocus.com

>

> " DESCRIPTION

> N-acetyl cysteine is derived from cysteine found in food and

> synthesized in the body. It helps the body synthesize glutathione.

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Thanks for the responses on this. I am taking Immunepro, so maybe I

shouldn't try adding anything else for this. I strongly suspect that

mercury toxicity has been/is a problem for me. I've had all my

amalgam removed, by a moderately adequate protocols, but I had to

replace it with crowns, because there was so little emanel left on my

teeth - it was mostly amalgam (yipes). I am hesitant to do anything

drastic about mercury though, because my instincts (for what they are

worth) tell me that my body is already busy enough, with flushing

toxins from dying mycoplasmas. I admit to wishing fervently to know

about the mercury toxicity and getting it dealt with though. Must be

patient...

Thanks again,

Laurie Lassesen

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Hmmm...The bit about limiting NAC if you have a big mercury load is

definitely food for my thought, as I am taking 2,400 mg/day of NAC. A level

of 2000-4000mg/day is recommended on the supplement sheet I got from my

doctor, and she mentioned NAC specifically at my last appointment as

especially important for me to be taking.

I don't know what my mercury load is, though I certainly have a significant

amount of amalgam fillings and I eat a lot of fish, so it might be high.

Maybe I missed this elsewhere (can't get through more than a small

percentage of postings to the list), but is there a URL where more info is

available on getting the hair analysis done?

>From: vankonynenburg1@...

>Reply-egroups

>egroups

>Subject: Re: N-Acetyl-L-Cysteine

>Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 17:12:21 -0000

>

>Laurie,

>

>It is true that glutathione is needed to detox mercury from the body.

>I regard a high mercury reading in hair analysis as evidence that the

>particular PWC is in what I call the main subset, i.e., the one that

>is caused by glutathione depletion. These are the people who I

>believe will be helped by ImmunePro and other nondenatured whey

>protein products.

>

>Taking N-acetylcysteine (NAC) is another way to build glutathione,

>since it supplies cysteine, which is usually the limiting substrate

>for glutathione synthesis. However, it has been argued by Dr.

>Bounous, the developer of Immunocal, that it is not as good as whey.

>I don't understand the pros and cons of this yet.

>

>Dr. Quig of Doctor's Data Laboratories recommends that the NAC

>dose be limited to 200 to 300 mg per day, together with a high

>protein

>diet, if a person has a big mercury load. The reason he gives is

>that

>higher dosages of NAC under this circumstance can move mercury from

>other parts of the body into the brain, rather than eliminating it

>from the body.

>

>Rich

>

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One place you can look is www.doctorsdata.com

There are probably other labs that also do this, but I am familiar

with this one.

Rich

> Hmmm...The bit about limiting NAC if you have a big mercury load is

> definitely food for my thought, as I am taking 2,400 mg/day of NAC.

A level

> of 2000-4000mg/day is recommended on the supplement sheet I got

from

my

> doctor, and she mentioned NAC specifically at my last appointment

as

> especially important for me to be taking.

>

> I don't know what my mercury load is, though I certainly have a

significant

> amount of amalgam fillings and I eat a lot of fish, so it might be

high.

> Maybe I missed this elsewhere (can't get through more than a small

> percentage of postings to the list), but is there a URL where more

info is

> available on getting the hair analysis done?

>

>

>

> >From: vankonynenburg1@l...

> >Reply-egroups

> >egroups

> >Subject: Re: N-Acetyl-L-Cysteine

> >Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 17:12:21 -0000

> >

> >Laurie,

> >

> >It is true that glutathione is needed to detox mercury from the

body.

> >I regard a high mercury reading in hair analysis as evidence that

the

> >particular PWC is in what I call the main subset, i.e., the one

that

> >is caused by glutathione depletion. These are the people who I

> >believe will be helped by ImmunePro and other nondenatured whey

> >protein products.

> >

> >Taking N-acetylcysteine (NAC) is another way to build glutathione,

> >since it supplies cysteine, which is usually the limiting substrate

> >for glutathione synthesis. However, it has been argued by Dr.

> >Bounous, the developer of Immunocal, that it is not as good as

whey.

> >I don't understand the pros and cons of this yet.

> >

> >Dr. Quig of Doctor's Data Laboratories recommends that the

NAC

> >dose be limited to 200 to 300 mg per day, together with a high

> >protein

> >diet, if a person has a big mercury load. The reason he gives is

> >that

> >higher dosages of NAC under this circumstance can move mercury from

> >other parts of the body into the brain, rather than eliminating it

> >from the body.

> >

> >Rich

> >

>

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on 8/25/00 1:42 PM, Laurie L. at laurie@... wrote:

> Thanks for the responses on this. I am taking Immunepro, so maybe I

> shouldn't try adding anything else for this. I strongly suspect that

> mercury toxicity has been/is a problem for me. I've had all my

> amalgam removed, by a moderately adequate protocols, but I had to

> replace it with crowns, because there was so little emanel left on my

> teeth - it was mostly amalgam (yipes). I am hesitant to do anything

> drastic about mercury though, because my instincts (for what they are

> worth) tell me that my body is already busy enough, with flushing

> toxins from dying mycoplasmas. I admit to wishing fervently to know

> about the mercury toxicity and getting it dealt with though. Must be

> patient...

Hi Laurie,

My EI doc has me convinced that mercury detoxification is extremely

important to anyone who has/had several amalgams. Mine have been removed

but it's unlikely that the mercury has gone anywhere. The only way to

really determine mercury toxicity is to do a DMPS(?) challenge. Hair

analysis can only indicate whether or not one is actively excreting

mercury--i.e., if a lot of mercury is found in the hair then it means one is

actively eliminating it. But hair mercury levels tell us nothing about

mercury that may be in the CNS, muscles, connective tissue, etc.

My doc recommends the protocol suggested by Dr. Mercola

http://www.mercola.com , which involves: liquid minerals, vitamin C

infusions, large doses of Chlorella, Cilantro, MSM, alpha lipoic acid... It

is a very involved process that gets expensive. I'm very seriously

considering it, though.

Hud

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on 8/25/00 2:35 PM, Scherffius at cfids_ex@... wrote:

> Hmmm...The bit about limiting NAC if you have a big mercury load is

> definitely food for my thought, as I am taking 2,400 mg/day of NAC. A level

> of 2000-4000mg/day is recommended on the supplement sheet I got from my

> doctor, and she mentioned NAC specifically at my last appointment as

> especially important for me to be taking.

>

> I don't know what my mercury load is, though I certainly have a significant

> amount of amalgam fillings and I eat a lot of fish, so it might be high.

> Maybe I missed this elsewhere (can't get through more than a small

> percentage of postings to the list), but is there a URL where more info is

> available on getting the hair analysis done?

,

As I just mentioned in a previous post, hair analysis is useless for

measuring mercury load. High mercury levels in the hair simply means one is

excreting mercury.

Also, there is definitely reason to be concerned about taking large doses of

NAC. Nearly all reputable CFIDS drs. warn of its potential toxicity. NAC

is one that you have to be very careful with, although it apparently can do

wonders in some cases.

Be careful!

Hud

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I agree that a hair analysis doesn't tell you if you have a problem

with mercury, only that you are excreting it. I had hair analyses

done for a couple of years, before I knew I had CFIDS. The reports

(once every 3-4 months) always showed the mercury to be low, and they

always told me that when my body got more healthy, it would begin to

release mercury that's likely been stored intracellularly.

Unfortunately, the mineral/vitamin program didn't do a lot, I felt

somewhat better, but my reports didn't show any dramatic improvement

in 2 years, while family members doing the same thing were getting

markedly improved results on reports. I still wonder that if I had

stayed with it, would this have improved, but perhaps I was just

feeding mycoplasmas.

I am interested in the idea, that as the body gets a better

nutritional balance and is more healthy, that it may naturally

chelate some of this. My mother tells me that she chelated her

mercury on that program, but the only tests were her hair analyses,

which went from low mercury, to high mercury and eventually to low

mercury again.

My instincts tell me that I must get serious about mercury, but I may

wait, and just hope that the whey helps me enough for now. I am

flushing toxins as I herx off of the antibiotics (doxycycline and

olive leaf) and from antivirals (also olive leaf and elderberry and

whey), and also the antifungals, so maybe that's all I can handle.

Meanwhile, I think I'll have to educate myself further about mercury

toxicity testing and treatments, and I'll have more questions for the

group, I'm sure :-)

Thanks,

Laurie Lassesen

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hello again,sorry,i keep forgeting things,this is the last

can anyone tell me anything about the supplement n-acetyl-l-cysteine,is

it ok to take or worthwhile taking or not?

thanks very much

olwyn

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>

> hello again,sorry,i keep forgeting things,this is the last

> can anyone tell me anything about the supplement n-acetyl-l-

cysteine,is

> it ok to take or worthwhile taking or not?

> thanks very much

==>No it isn't worthwhile since this diet provide plenty of amino acids

in the meats and eggs. Please re-read the section on Supplements in my

article " How to Successfully Overcome Candida " where it explains why

you do not take other supplements than those that are listed.

The best, Bee

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