protein powder

[Guest guest]

Supposedly protein powders contain neurotoxins (MSG or similar compounds)

made in the processing; however, I haven't looked into this, and am skeptical of

the anti-glutamine/glutamate positions.

The main reason Sally opposes protein powders is because they increase the

amount of protein one eats without increasing the vitamin A, which is necessary

for protein utilization. Incidentally, Jordan Rubin, who markets Goat-tein,

thinks the same thing, but sells Goat-tein because it is vastly superior to the

other powders which people will use anyway.

However, if you have lots of A in your diet, this shouldn't be something to

worry about-- and sometimes you *want* low-fat for a particular snack or meal,

such as a post-workout recovery snack, as Suze recently posted. So taking a

low-temp dehydrated undenatured whey powder like Goat-tein would essentially be

like drinking whey, except Goat-tein also has curd protein.

I don't really think you should need protein powders if you aren't eating

crap food, but in small amounts a quality one (which excludes most of them)

probably couldn't hurt. Eating full-fat meats can make it tough to get all your

protein without getting too full, but supplementing this with some whey and bone

stock should allow more protein without as much satiety, especially if this

is used to replace water, say, in your undereating phase, were you to do the

WD.

But quantity of protein isn't that important. The full-fat meat will

increase your androgen levels, which will do a HELL of a lot more for building

muscle

than protein will.

Chris

[Guest guest]

Hi,

I just started using Gotein- I lift weights 4 times a week and am 30 weeks

pregnant.

So far I like it, I mix it with sheep yogurt, coconut oil, raw egg yolk, some

berries and sometimes a tiny pinch of stevia.

I still feel strange about protein powders but needed to eat something before

I worked out in the AM that was light but held me over.

Elainie

[Guest guest]

From: " paultheo2000 " <paultheo2000@...>

Reply-

Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2003 20:12:56 -0000

Subject: Protein Powder

I recall the NT book mentioning to avoid protein powder because it's

basically evaporated (pasteurized) milk protein. I was wondering if

anyone uses here, and if so: why? I'm especially interested if those

who lift weights use protein powder. I assume people here'd be using

whey protein, and not soy.

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I've been using goatein from Garden of Life (www.gardenoflifeusa.com). It's

expensive compared to most whey proteins, but seems to be less processed.

They claim, for instance,

" Goatein is minimally processed

Most other milk protein powders are made from cow's milk and, though they

claim to be ³minimally processed,² use several invasive processing steps,

including heating at high temperatures. These methods denature many

important amino acids and DESTROY enzymes and beneficial bacteria. Research

suggests that processing whey with heat and acid (i.e. ion-exchange) results

in the loss of

several key amino acids including: Cysteine 73-77%, Threonine 35-45%, Serine

18-30%, and Lysine

19-20%. Because Goatein is processed without the use of acid or excessive

heat, the amino acids, enzymes and beneficial bacteria remain in their

natural form. "

They also say,

" Additionally, Goatein is partially pre-digested through a lactic acid

fermentation process to make it even more bio-available while virtually

eliminating its lactose content. Research has shown that proteins from milk

that have been pre-digested by lacto-fermentation are absorbed more

efficiently than those of non-fermented milk. During the fermentation

process many digestive enzymes are created that aid in the assimilation of

food nutrients. In ³THE MILK BOOK², s, M.D., states

that the protein contained in cultured (lacto-fermented) dairy products is

the highest quality available for human consumption. "

You can read about it more on their site.

I've been using protein powder a lot less recently, and getting more protein

from meat, eggs, and cheese, but I feel safer using this protein powder than

the whey powders I had been using...until someone here disabuses me of that

notion

Gene

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From: zumicat@...

Reply-

Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2003 19:48:21 EDT

Subject: Re: Protein Powder

Hi,

I just started using Gotein- I lift weights 4 times a week and am 30 weeks

pregnant.

So far I like it, I mix it with sheep yogurt, coconut oil, raw egg yolk,

some

berries and sometimes a tiny pinch of stevia.

I still feel strange about protein powders but needed to eat something

before

I worked out in the AM that was light but held me over.

Elainie

I also like it before workouts, and usually have it with some unpasteurized

milk & cream, maybe a raw egg yolk if I'm inspired, and usually a little

stevia. I just bought some sheep's milk yogurt, so I'll probably try that

tomorrow.

[Guest guest]

hello all,

i have beenthinking about these protein powders and searching the net,

but just can't make up my mind and what to think of it. i read about

vegetable protein, soy, whey...... or a combo of these three. the

reason for the search was, when i drank milk (lots!!!) i felt really

strong, since i stopped the milk, i feel less strong, also lost 15/20

pounds. i eat and drink healty, juice, fruits. i wonder if i am

lacking the protein i got from the milk. i have a physical job and

run short runs daily with my dog, and i also could use some more horse

power in me. i run out of steam fairly quick too. maybe there are some

sporters here who could help me with this, any advice would be

appreciated. thanks, rik

[Guest guest]

I like complete nutrition (complete nutrition to you)... for energy..Rik <bliksemskater@...> wrote: hello all, i have beenthinking about these protein powders and searching the net, but just can't make up my mind and what to think of it. i read about vegetable protein, soy, whey...... or a combo of these three. the reason for the search was, when i drank milk (lots!!!) i felt really strong, since i stopped the milk, i feel less strong, also lost 15/20 pounds. i eat and drink healty, juice, fruits. i wonder if i am lacking the protein i got from the milk. i have a physical job and run short runs daily with my dog, and i also could use some more horse power in me. i run out of steam fairly quick too. maybe there are some sporters here who could help me with this, any advice would be

appreciated. thanks, rik

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