Guest guest Posted December 22, 2005 Report Share Posted December 22, 2005 anyone have any experience with alcoholics, and helping them keep the strength to partake no more? I know there are things that are supposed to quell the desire to drink, but which ones ^~really~ work. Thanks, Flo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 23, 2005 Report Share Posted December 23, 2005 the only thing I know that works for sure (from those I have known) is the mind set... they have to want to quit... herbs, supplements will help the cravings but the mind has to want to quit first. SuziFlo <fgarig@...> wrote: anyone have any experience with alcoholics, and helping them keep the strength to partake no more? I know there are things that are supposed to quell the desire to drink, but which ones ^~really~ work. Suzi What is a weed? A plant whose virtues have not yet been discovered. health/ www.onegrp.com/?mamanott organic cosmetics http://suziesgoats.wholefoodfarmacy.com/ Photos Ring in the New Year with Photo Calendars. Add photos, events, holidays, whatever. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 23, 2005 Report Share Posted December 23, 2005 is right. Unless he/she is ready and *wants* to quit *for him/herself*, no herb nor medication will cure the illness. That person's co-dependant (you?) can get help through Alanon, which is an auxiliary of Alcoholics Anonamuse, to learn how to help self to handle the situations that arise, and this will, in many instances, give enough positive support to the alcoholic to cause him/her to want to quit. ....and a lot of prayer for guidance.. lee ----- Original Message ----- From: Flo anyone have any experience with alcoholics, and helping them keep the strength to partake no more? I know there are things that are supposed to quell the desire to drink, but which ones ^~really~ work. Thanks, Flo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 23, 2005 Report Share Posted December 23, 2005 Oh wow. I was just reading from my al-anon site emails and saw this post thread and thought it was on there. I second that! Al-Anon is a BIG help! It will help you understand things a lot more! Candace -----Original Message----- From: health [mailto:health ] On Behalf Of Leona Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2005 10:36 PM HAWK Subject: Re: alcoholism is right. Unless he/she is ready and *wants* to quit *for him/herself*, no herb nor medication will cure the illness. That person's co-dependant (you?) can get help through Alanon, which is an auxiliary of Alcoholics Anonamuse, to learn how to help self to handle the situations that arise, and this will, in many instances, give enough positive support to the alcoholic to cause him/her to want to quit. ....and a lot of prayer for guidance.. lee ----- Original Message ----- From: Flo anyone have any experience with alcoholics, and helping them keep the strength to partake no more? I know there are things that are supposed to quell the desire to drink, but which ones ^~really~ work. Thanks, Flo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 23, 2005 Report Share Posted December 23, 2005 This is the deal, the alcoholic is a friend of a friend, so I am not a co-dependent. I don't do that. I tried helping my lil sister, and she is not a part of my life because of many addictions which she enjoys and I refuse to be called to a hospital to see what she's done to herself anymore. I know that sounds mean, but it is reality. The friend of a friend wants to stop, I was just wondering if there was an herb that would REALLY help. Flo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 23, 2005 Report Share Posted December 23, 2005 FWIW- I have a pile of books and am taking a naturopathy course, I just am asking for the voice of experience as to what herbs seem to help.. Books aren't always reliable 100%. If they were I'd have her friend taking 15 different things. (I think his main problem is needing an excuse to be a butt and he can do it when he drinks)They are written by folks who haven't any experience with disease. Flo I wrote: The friend of a friend wants to stop, I was just wondering if there was an herb that would REALLY help. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 23, 2005 Report Share Posted December 23, 2005 Flo, I am a recovered alcoholic. I have 18 years of sobriety. I would love to talk to you about this. Please email me privately if you want to talk. mary setlikeflint@... For the Lord God helps Me; therefore have I not been ashamed or confounded. Therefore have I set My face like a flint, and I know that I shall not be put to shame. Isa 50:7 for Good - Make a difference this year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 23, 2005 Report Share Posted December 23, 2005 Wouldn't the "Brain" formula work for that. It has ginko and cayenned..... and I can't think of what else. It would get more oxygen and nutrients to the brain..... therefore making him less depressed...... therefore making him want to drink less...... but obviously he would also have to have decided he's DONE. -----Original Message-----From: health [mailto:health ] On Behalf Of FloSent: Friday, December 23, 2005 4:51 AMhealth Subject: Re: alcoholism This is the deal, the alcoholic is a friend of a friend, so I am not a co-dependent. I don't do that. I tried helping my lil sister, and she is not a part of my life because of many addictions which she enjoys and I refuse to be called to a hospital to see what she's done to herself anymore. I know that sounds mean, but it is reality. The friend of a friend wants to stop, I was just wondering if there was an herb that would REALLY help. Flo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 23, 2005 Report Share Posted December 23, 2005 Alcoholism results from a missing enzyme in the brain. The enzyme is necessary to break down alcohol. Since this is absent in an alcoholic, after a period of time the chemicals in alcohol combine with dopamine and make a chemical that is more addictive than the alcoholic itself. A person either is or is not an alcoholic. One is born with the missing enzyme or without it. A problem drinker can solve their problem and then stop drinking. However, an alcoholic is an alcoholic. The only way is abstinence. Most cannot do it alone and either need to go into a treatment facility and/or attend AA meetings. I know, I've been there, done that and did the research. mary Wouldn't the "Brain" formula work for that. It has ginko and cayenned..... and I can't think of what else. It would get more oxygen and nutrients to the brain..... therefore making him less depressed...... therefore making him want to drink less...... but obviously he would also have to have decided he's DONE. For the Lord God helps Me; therefore have I not been ashamed or confounded. Therefore have I set My face like a flint, and I know that I shall not be put to shame. Isa 50:7 DSL Something to write home about. Just $16.99/mo. or less Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 23, 2005 Report Share Posted December 23, 2005 Here is what I have on alcoholism... hope this helps Herbs can help you get through the withdraw including the use of lobelia which contains lobeline. Lobeline is similar to nicotine without the addictive qualities and can be used under advisement for a short period of time to help break nicotine addiction. Other herbs include relaxing blends to take the edge off. To Fight Alcoholism: Drink a small glass of the boiled mixture consisting of 3 Banana Peels, Tabasco, the Water or Milk from 1 Coconut, Brown Sugar or Sugar Loaf to Taste; let Ferment for 3 Days then add a Snifter of Licor. Do This for 9 Days! Kudzu root is an Asian herb used for alcoholism. http://www.weight-care.com/tips_alcoholism.htm A healthy diet and the use of nutritional supplements such as vitamins A, B complex, and C, as well as certain fatty acids, amino acids, zinc, magnesium, and selenium. Herbal treatments include milk thistle(Silybum marianum), which is thought to protect the liver against damage. Other herbs are thought to be helpful for the patient suffering through withdrawal. Some of these include lavender (Lavandula officinalis), skullcap (Scutellaria lateriflora), chamomile (Matricaria recutita), peppermint (Mentha piperita) yarrow (Achillea millefolium), and valerian (Valeriana officinalis). Acupuncture is believed to both decrease withdrawal symptoms and to help improve a patient's chances for continued recovery from alcoholism.Flo <fgarig@...> wrote: This is the deal, the alcoholic is a friend of a friend, so I am not a co-dependent. I don't do that. I tried helping my lil sister, and she is not a part of my life because of many addictions which she enjoys and I refuse to be called to a hospital to see what she's done to herself anymore. I know that sounds mean, but it is reality. The friend of a friend wants to stop, I was just wondering if there was an herb that would REALLY help. for Good - Make a difference this year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 23, 2005 Report Share Posted December 23, 2005 Hmmmm that's what my husband (soon to be ex husband) does. He gets drunk and then whines and bitches about how mean his parents were to him growing up. When he's sober he'll be fine for a day or two and then gets REAL cranky and then down the hatch it goes! Beer after beer after beer..... And then more whining. I guess that makes sense: they can't deal with their issues until they're sober for longer than 2 DAYS! Candace -----Original Message----- From: health [mailto:health ] On Behalf Of teresa Sent: Friday, December 23, 2005 12:23 PM health Subject: Re: alcoholism Please try to find a copy of the book titled " ALL YOUR HEALTH QUESTIONS ANSWERED NATURALLY " by Maureen Kennedy Salamon. There is a chapter in there about alcoholism and nutrition. Alcoholics are usually deficient in one or more nutrients. Also, a lot of the deficiencies or imbalances cause depression. My husband comes from a family of alcoholics. They are all Manic Depressive too. Well, he has been sober now for over six years. He gives me the credit for saving his live by giving him the desire to quit drinking. I was shocked when he told me. All I had done was introduce him to my healthier life style. I prepared healthy foods that he teased me about. I gave him lots of good quality vitamins and minerals. He lost his cravings for the alcohol! He still has a lot of issues from his severely abusive childhood that he is now able to deal with one step at a time. The alcohol never allowed him to deal with his problems...he just dwelled on them constantly. He found that he has to face them head on in order to be able to put them behind him. People say that if he was able to sober up, anyone can. Take care, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 23, 2005 Report Share Posted December 23, 2005 Try it Candace, what can you lose?? It may help... Candace Podratz <momofbrock@...> wrote: My little brother is a drug addict (trying to recover). He said he did drugs because he felt depressed and tired all the time. I wonder if giving him some "Brain Formula" would help him out or if he has permanently damaged the part of his brain that makes happy hormones. Candace -----Original Message-----From: health [mailto:health ] On Behalf Of SuzanneSent: Friday, December 23, 2005 12:56 PMhealth Subject: RE: alcoholism Ginkgo Biloba is an herbal memory enhancer that will stimulate the brain and help to relieve depression ... Biloba will improve circulation, increase blood flow to the brain and improve short term memory and alertness Candace Podratz <momofbrock@...> wrote: Wouldn't the "Brain" formula work for that. It has ginko and cayenned..... and I can't think of what else. It would get more oxygen and nutrients to the brain..... therefore making him less depressed...... therefore making him want to drink less...... but obviously he would also have to have decided he's DONE. Suzi What is a weed? A plant whose virtues have not yet been discovered. health/ www.onegrp.com/?mamanott organic cosmetics http://suziesgoats.wholefoodfarmacy.com/ DSL Something to write home about. Just $16.99/mo. or less Suzi What is a weed? A plant whose virtues have not yet been discovered. health/ www.onegrp.com/?mamanott organic cosmetics http://suziesgoats.wholefoodfarmacy.com/ Photos Ring in the New Year with Photo Calendars. Add photos, events, holidays, whatever. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 23, 2005 Report Share Posted December 23, 2005 hi, take a look at this https://www.emofree.com/ this for a person who want's to quit and this can help you out, who ever was asking about alcoholism. this is not just for alcoholism, it is used on many problems with great success, the website will explain it. hope this helps, happy holidays folks, rik > is right. Unless he/she is ready and *wants* to quit *for > him/herself*, no herb nor medication will cure the illness. That person's > co-dependant (you?) can get help through Alanon, which is an auxiliary of > Alcoholics Anonamuse, to learn how to help self to handle the situations > that arise, and this will, in many instances, give enough positive support > to the alcoholic to cause him/her to want to quit. > ...and a lot of prayer for guidance.. > lee > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Flo > anyone have any experience with alcoholics, and helping them keep the > strength to partake no more? I know there are things that are supposed to > quell the desire to drink, but which ones ^~really~ work. > > Thanks, > Flo > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 23, 2005 Report Share Posted December 23, 2005 I personally would try Nux Vom. Even if slipped unknowingly to the person in their drinking water, it should make a difference and be enough to get them started on the sober path. Just my two cents worth. Peace, Mouse Flo wrote: FWIW- I have a pile of books and am taking a naturopathy course, I just am asking for the voice of experience as to what herbs seem to help.. Books aren't always reliable 100%. If they were I'd have her friend taking 15 different things. (I think his main problem is needing an excuse to be a butt and he can do it when he drinks)They are written by folks who haven't any experience with disease. Flo I wrote: The friend of a friend wants to stop, I was just wondering if there was an herb that would REALLY help. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 18, 2009 Report Share Posted May 18, 2009 Well, alcoholism is described as "an allergy of the body and an obsession of the mind". If alcohol was the problem people would get better when they remove the alcohol. Unfortunately it is not the alcohol that causes the problem it is the mind that triggers a phenomenon of craving that has no satisfaction point. Personally I wouldn't want to take a pill to not drink. I like where I am after 22 years of recovery with a 12 step program. Shari Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 18, 2009 Report Share Posted May 18, 2009 Take a pill? Look how many people still drink after...what was that drug they took? And still take??? It made you sick if you drank while taking it. Gayla Bob and Gayla Always Enough RanchAcampo, CA Re: alcoholism Well, alcoholism is described as "an allergy of the body and an obsession of the mind". If alcohol was the problem people would get better when they remove the alcohol. Unfortunately it is not the alcohol that causes the problem it is the mind that triggers a phenomenon of craving that has no satisfaction point. Personally I wouldn't want to take a pill to not drink. I like where I am after 22 years of recovery with a 12 step program. Shari Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 18, 2009 Report Share Posted May 18, 2009 "My DH is 25 plus. " AWESOME! I'm up at 4 a.m. to make the 6 a.m. meeting before work. A friends' son is picking up his 5 month chip and I want to be there. Of course I'm there every morning! It's my "prayer" time. Some folks use the side of the bed, I use the meeting at 6 a.m. for an hour as my prayer and meditation to start the day. Works for me. Shari Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 18, 2009 Report Share Posted May 18, 2009 EXACTLY, Gayla. A pill ain't going to fix what's wrong in my head! I think it was called "antibuse" and I run into people in the program all the time who took it and drank anyway. Shari Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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