Re: Digestive enzymes and brain fog.

[Guest guest]

>

> Some weeks ago Joanna B. posted about digestive enzymes for protein

> breakdown helping with brain fog. I have some samples from Houston

> Nutraceuticals (who make Peptizyde) and decided to retry some in

very

> small doses with meals.

>

> Within a day I think it does actually clear up the brain fog, but

like

> before when I tried it I get abdominal tenderness and some bloating

> with mild pain very quickly. I am really surprised this is

happening

> with such small doses sprinkled on my food (like 1/6th. of a

capsule at

> a meal) but is a limiting factor in me being able to evaluate the

> stuff. I quit before the pain gets too bad in case it flares and

lasts

> for days as it did months ago when first tested it.

>

> Any idea on this you enzyme takers?

>

> This brain fog is the last of my really limiting everyday symptoms.

> From fiddling with stuff though I know I can be 100% " clear " if I

can

> get round my hyper-sensitive gut. I never can tell what it is going

to

> breeze along with or have tantrum over. The enzymes seem to be

> an " issue " yet could be 'keys to the kingdom'.

==>Hi , as I wrote to you offlist, Peptizyde contains a fungal

component so it could cause problems like you described. Brain fog

is caused by toxins, so helping your body detoxify is the key - see

this article: http://www.healingnaturallybybee.com/articles/detox.php

The best, Bee

[Guest guest]

>

> ==>Hi , as I wrote to you offlist, Peptizyde contains a fungal

> component so it could cause problems like you described. Brain fog

> is caused by toxins, so helping your body detoxify is the key - see

> this article: http://www.healingnaturallybybee.com/articles/detox.php

>

> The best, Bee

>

What is the fungal component? And why would it clear up the brain fog

if it was causing problems? Are there any enzymes you would recommend

aside from B-HCL? And how would we work out which enzymes we need?

Twenty questions!!

Thanks,

Matt

[Guest guest]

>

> >

> > ==>Hi , as I wrote to you offlist, Peptizyde contains a

fungal

> > component so it could cause problems like you described. Brain

fog

> > is caused by toxins, so helping your body detoxify is the key -

see

> > this article:

http://www.healingnaturallybybee.com/articles/detox.php

> >

> > The best, Bee

> >

>

> What is the fungal component? And why would it clear up the brain

fog

> if it was causing problems? Are there any enzymes you would

recommend

> aside from B-HCL? And how would we work out which enzymes we need?

> Twenty questions!!

==>Hi Matt. I believe you may have misunderstood. I believe the

fungal component in that product causes his digestive problems. I

didn't think it would help his brain fog.

I do not think you should take any digestive enzymes, and that

betaine hydrochloric acid (HCl) and other things suggested to improve

digestion are all you need.

The reason is because IF there is enough HCl in the contents emptying

out of the stomach it triggers the pancreas to produce digestive

enzymes and bicarbonate of soda. In order for digestion to continue

properly in the small intestines the stomach contents must be

alkalized with bicarbonate of soda. If you don't make your pancreas

work and try to bypass it by taking digestives enzymes, it could

jeopardize digestion. And those digestive enzymes are not required

in the stomach, and they may interfere with the stomach's functions.

Brain fog is caused by toxins so it would be important to do more

that helps the body detoxify, rather than something related to

digestion.

The best, Bee

[Guest guest]

>

> Some weeks ago Joanna B. posted about digestive enzymes for protein

> breakdown helping with brain fog. I have some samples from Houston

> Nutraceuticals (who make Peptizyde) and decided to retry some in very

> small doses with meals.

>

> Within a day I think it does actually clear up the brain fog, but

like

> before when I tried it I get abdominal tenderness and some bloating

> with mild pain very quickly. I am really surprised this is happening

, I'm the one who posted this. I'm so sorry that this

caused you pain. I feel terrible for recommending anything that would

do that to anyone. I seem to be immune to stomach-pain causing things,

so I'm probably the worst person to make a recommendation to anyone. I

just got so excited that it worked. My apologies!! Joanna

[Guest guest]

Hi Bee,

Thanks for that, it makes sense. But isn't there a case for some

people taking enzymes? It seems they help a lot of people is all,

particularly people with autism. I know you didn't say the enzymes

would clear brain-fog, but two people have commented that peptizyde

and GlutenEase have relieved their brain-fog, so how would that occur

if they were causing problems? Is it possible that the GI symptoms

are die-off as a result of the enzymes breaking down the proteins and

other peptide chains?

Matt

> > >

> > > ==>Hi , as I wrote to you offlist, Peptizyde contains a

> fungal

> > > component so it could cause problems like you described. Brain

> fog

> > > is caused by toxins, so helping your body detoxify is the key -

> see

> > > this article:

> http://www.healingnaturallybybee.com/articles/detox.php

> > >

> > > The best, Bee

> > >

> >

> > What is the fungal component? And why would it clear up the brain

> fog

> > if it was causing problems? Are there any enzymes you would

> recommend

> > aside from B-HCL? And how would we work out which enzymes we need?

> > Twenty questions!!

>

> ==>Hi Matt. I believe you may have misunderstood. I believe the

> fungal component in that product causes his digestive problems. I

> didn't think it would help his brain fog.

>

> I do not think you should take any digestive enzymes, and that

> betaine hydrochloric acid (HCl) and other things suggested to

improve

> digestion are all you need.

>

> The reason is because IF there is enough HCl in the contents

emptying

> out of the stomach it triggers the pancreas to produce digestive

> enzymes and bicarbonate of soda. In order for digestion to

continue

> properly in the small intestines the stomach contents must be

> alkalized with bicarbonate of soda. If you don't make your

pancreas

> work and try to bypass it by taking digestives enzymes, it could

> jeopardize digestion. And those digestive enzymes are not required

> in the stomach, and they may interfere with the stomach's functions.

>

> Brain fog is caused by toxins so it would be important to do more

> that helps the body detoxify, rather than something related to

> digestion.

>

> The best, Bee

>

[Guest guest]

Joanna... No sweat! The pain episode with Petizyde was months ago and

went away after some days. It was only later that I saw your post

about the " brain fog " aspect.

Incidentally, am I correct to say that the effect on brain fog seems

to be a 'result' for you if you use the enzymes? From the: " detox

causes brain fog " point of view it is kind of strange that a

digestive enzyme would have any impact on that, but if it does, then

it does (placebos aside). I have heard of this kind of thing from

some people I bump into now and again who are dealing with autism

issues so it is not too out there. Certainly I have had some totally

unexpected results from the most benign things sometimes - both good

and bad. No doc has been able to say why either.

I am intending to try and find a way to test the protease enzymes if

I can avoid the gut pain thing, just to see what happens to the brain

fog. I know it is most likely something that is a result of detox

backup, but I have had some of those types of things in the past that

hung around for years, then I would try something and it would

disappear - often never to reappear, even when I quit the supplement

or whatever. So I have learned to keep an open mind to options that

don't always make sense but may improve things without doing much

harm.

Best to you, M.

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

I read this on an enzyme product that I am looking in Australia, I

presume it applies to all (taken from here

http://www.allnaturaladvantage.com.au/Products/zymax.htm):

" To be able to breakdown protein requires gastric, pancreatic and

small intestine protease. Zymax has a broad range of acid resistant

protease displaying gastric, pancreatic and small intestine

activities. Additionally the formulation also includes a combination

of endoprotease and exoprotease to ensure extensive protein

hydrolysis.

Included in the formula is a proline specific dipeptidyl peptidase IV

(DPP-IV) analogue shown to have DPP-IV type activity. This enzyme is

crucial for breaking apart opioid type poly-proline peptides

(exorphins- generated from grains and dairy products) that are

resistant to hydrolysis by regular protease.

Exorphins such as gluteomorphins from gluten and casomorphins

produced from casein display potent opioid activities being very

similar to our brains' own endorphins. An accumulation of these

endorphins in the central nervous system is thought to be responsible

for the feeling of being " spaced out " or " foggy brain " so common with

patients with food allergies/intolerances and autism. "

So this seems to be an explanation for why certain enzymes help brain-

fog. However, I am still confused and I mentioned this to Joanne. Bee

perhaps you can offer your opinion - why would enzymes designed to

digest wheat and gluten help with brain-fog for some people on this

candida program, when wheat and gluten have been removed from our

diet? Is it possible that these endorphins have accumulated to

saturation point and the enzymes help to break them down and dispel

them?

> Incidentally, am I correct to say that the effect on brain fog

seems

> to be a 'result' for you if you use the enzymes? From the: " detox

> causes brain fog " point of view it is kind of strange that a

> digestive enzyme would have any impact on that, but if it does,

then

> it does (placebos aside). I have heard of this kind of thing from

> some people I bump into now and again who are dealing with autism

> issues so it is not too out there.

[Guest guest]

>

> Hi Bee,

>

> Thanks for that, it makes sense. But isn't there a case for some

> people taking enzymes? It seems they help a lot of people is all,

> particularly people with autism. I know you didn't say the enzymes

> would clear brain-fog, but two people have commented that peptizyde

> and GlutenEase have relieved their brain-fog, so how would that

occur

> if they were causing problems? Is it possible that the GI symptoms

> are die-off as a result of the enzymes breaking down the proteins

and

> other peptide chains?

==>That's great that enzymes have helping people. I can't explain

it, but I do know that it is unnecessary if my program is followed.

Good fats cleanse and detoxify the body the most efficiently of any

substance.

I don't see how GI symptoms are die-off as a result of the enzymes

breaking down the proteins and other peptide chains ?? Are you

saying breaking down proteins kills off candida?

Protein from meats and eggs and " good " fats are the very easiest

foods for the body to digest compared to any carbs.

However, standard diets contain a lot of foods that interfere with

protein digestion, mainly improperly prepared grains, nuts, seeds,

including soy products. They all contain enzymes that interfere with

protein digestion, so if a person is still consuming those foods,

enzymes would be necessary and could help a lot.

The best, Bee

[Guest guest]

Matt,

If your theory is correct about protein enzymes, yet they cause GI

symptoms, ? because of die-off, ? then such die-off symptoms would

create more toxins, and more brain fog, not less.

Brain fog is actually toxins, which are mostly from the alcohol

produced by candida. In some people those toxins tend to go more to

their head/brain than in other people.

Also, we do not know whether the other groups are on a diet as strict

as this one.

Actually the best detox substances are: " good " fats along with oil

soluble vitamins and omega 3, and niacin (B3). Maybe those other

groups don't know about them. But again, the whole program works

together, so pin pointing some particular substance without other

nutrients or factors as being " the thing " that helps isn't relevant.

Was Joanna strictly on the diet and taking all of the supplements?

Could the enzymes have been a coincidence?

Bee

>

> Hi ,

>

> I read this on an enzyme product that I am looking in Australia, I

> presume it applies to all (taken from here

> http://www.allnaturaladvantage.com.au/Products/zymax.htm):

>

> " To be able to breakdown protein requires gastric, pancreatic and

> small intestine protease. Zymax has a broad range of acid resistant

> protease displaying gastric, pancreatic and small intestine

> activities. Additionally the formulation also includes a

combination

> of endoprotease and exoprotease to ensure extensive protein

> hydrolysis.

>

> Included in the formula is a proline specific dipeptidyl peptidase

IV

> (DPP-IV) analogue shown to have DPP-IV type activity. This enzyme

is

> crucial for breaking apart opioid type poly-proline peptides

> (exorphins- generated from grains and dairy products) that are

> resistant to hydrolysis by regular protease.

>

> Exorphins such as gluteomorphins from gluten and casomorphins

> produced from casein display potent opioid activities being very

> similar to our brains' own endorphins. An accumulation of these

> endorphins in the central nervous system is thought to be

responsible

> for the feeling of being " spaced out " or " foggy brain " so common

with

> patients with food allergies/intolerances and autism. "

>

>

> So this seems to be an explanation for why certain enzymes help

brain-

> fog. However, I am still confused and I mentioned this to Joanne.

Bee

> perhaps you can offer your opinion - why would enzymes designed to

> digest wheat and gluten help with brain-fog for some people on this

> candida program, when wheat and gluten have been removed from our

> diet? Is it possible that these endorphins have accumulated to

> saturation point and the enzymes help to break them down and dispel

> them?

>

>

> > Incidentally, am I correct to say that the effect on brain fog

> seems

> > to be a 'result' for you if you use the enzymes? From the: " detox

> > causes brain fog " point of view it is kind of strange that a

> > digestive enzyme would have any impact on that, but if it does,

> then

> > it does (placebos aside). I have heard of this kind of thing from

> > some people I bump into now and again who are dealing with autism

> > issues so it is not too out there.

>

[Guest guest]

That makes a lot of sense Bee, thanks. I'm going to skip the enzymes and stay

true to your program!

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[Guest guest]

>

> That makes a lot of sense Bee, thanks. I'm going to skip the enzymes

and stay true to your program!

==>That's good Matt. It is much easier to " keep it simple, " eh?

We do know from many members' experiences that the body normalizes on

this program, and often there have been improvement beyond any of our

expectations.

I am still amazed that 2 members had their tooth enamel reform, and

that another member's iron levels went up to normal, from almost nil,

in 6 months. She didn't do anything other than my program; she didn't

even eat extra liver or take iron pills. That tells us a lot about

this program! Dr. Price was absolutely right about nutrients!

The best always, Bee

[Guest guest]

Matt...

Just logging in today on this. Great source there for some detail to

puzzle about. Thank you.

Incidentally the " Peptizyde " and the Houston brand enzymes mostly

have that fancy combo that is supposed to break down all the various

proteins that not all other formulations do. The whole thing is a bit

of a puzzle that's for sure and I have a couple of possible theories

myself as to what may be happening. More evaluation needed first.

The detox aspect that Bee has described seems to make the most common

sense and ultimately time would tell. Eventually the brain fog and

all the spacy stuff should go away if one stays on the Diet and supps

for long enough. If it does not, then time to put the pondering cap

back on.

I am going to fiddle a little with the enzymes in very small doses to

see if I can understand a little more about what the dynamics may be.

There is always the chance that a particular body part is damaged or

acting up in a way that if known about could facilitate recovery,

even if on the diet, etc. Adrenals focus for instance, or Betaine HCL

like you are doing [burns me up too easily though I may try it again

as it has been a while].

Again, thanks for the great link and let us know how the Betaine goes

for you.

Best, M.

>

> Hi ,

>

> I read this on an enzyme product that I am looking in Australia, I

> presume it applies to all (taken from here

> http://www.allnaturaladvantage.com.au/Products/zymax.htm):