Re: Cholestrol-not reliable indicator???

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Hi Jocelyn 

I can truly relate to how your friend is feeling as I have the same thing. My

cholesterol levels are not as high as your friend's but they are higher. I went

from 2.2 to 7.26 in a month or so and my doctor was NOT impressed at all. He

said he think I must be losing it and his exact words were " I must be out of my

mind following some quacks advice from the internet and he started laughing and

said I guess if they tell me to jump off a cliff I'd be crazy enough to do that

too. He said he thought I was smarter tha that to turn to the internet for

medical advice " . He said I surely was not thinking of my life to let my

cholesterols levels to get so out of control. I stopped taking my statins too

almost 2 months ago.

Mine was TRI 37

HDL 2.77  LDL 4.3    ratio 2.6 

total 7.26

But from what I've read my ratio is fine and so are the Triglycerides. But in

all honesty I have to say I do get a little worried about it sometimes and my

friend's all freak me out by saying it's way too high and I'm going to have a

stoke or heart attack.

Maddy

Hi everyone,

I have been a lurker for a while. My friend Lilian tried this high fat program

upon my coaxing.  Initially she felt better than ever but lately she's been

having problems. SHe looks emaciated.Everyone' s commenting on how awful she

looks like she has suddenly aged. The final straw came when she took her blood

test. (She used to take statin but has stopped upon my advice). I mean we all

know that cholestrol is not an important indicator of heart health.  BUt upon

reading books like " Shwarbein Principle " recommended on Bee's site... one does

wonder, is it not important?

Her doc is ready to go ballistic over her blood test.  He's pouring fear into

her and every little aches on her chest she's interpreted as angina etc.

Could anyone share their blood results and how's the experience been. Surely

there's some meaning behind all these cholestrol test. Some doc who advocate a

high protein, low carb diet is okay as long as HDL/LDL  <3 and Total cholestrol/

HDL  < 4.

Her results are:

Total cholestrol     15.8mmol/L

Triglycerides          0.71 mmol/L

HDL cholestrol        2.01 mmol/L

LDL cholestrol        13.5 mmol/L

The results are quite frightening for my friend.  According to Dr Jan Kwaniewski

all that matters is the triglycerides.  Is that what we should look out for and

totally ignore the rest?

By the way how does one read the test? Sometimes it is in mg/dl and sometimes it

is in mmol/L? Can someone enlighten. Thanks

All input are welcomed and TIA

Jocelyn

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> Hi everyone,

>

> I have been a lurker for a while. My friend Lilian tried this high

fat program upon my coaxing.  Initially she felt better than ever but

lately she's been having problems. SHe looks emaciated.Everyone's

commenting on how awful she looks like she has suddenly aged. The

final straw came when she took her blood test. (She used to take

statin but has stopped upon my advice). I mean we all know that

cholestrol is not an important indicator of heart health.  BUt upon

reading books like " Shwarbein Principle " recommended on Bee's site...

one does wonder, is it not important?

+++Hi lyn. I do not recommend that book on my website. It is

common for some candida sufferers to lose weight while their body

adjust to running on " good " fats and gets rid of the toxins put out

by candida when it is being killed off. Weight is the least problem

for candida sufferers however. I lost a lot of weight too; during

one period I was losing 3 lbs. per day. But I got healthy and my

weight stabilized to what it should be.

> Her doc is ready to go ballistic over her blood test.  He's pouring

fear into her and every little aches on her chest she's interpreted

as angina etc.

+++Her doctor's reaction is understandable since they are trained to

treat everything with drugs and surgery and have only about 5 hours

training in nutrition. They are also dictated to by the medical

association and drug companies, otherwise they can lose their license

to practice.

>

> Could anyone share their blood results and how's the experience

been. Surely there's some meaning behind all these cholestrol test.

Some doc who advocate a high protein, low carb diet is okay as long

as HDL/LDL  <3 and Total cholestrol/ HDL  < 4.

> Her results are:

> Total cholestrol     15.8mmol/L

> Triglycerides          0.71 mmol/L

> HDL cholestrol        2.01 mmol/L

> LDL cholestrol        13.5 mmol/L

>

> The results are quite frightening for my friend.  According to Dr

Jan Kwaniewski all that matters is the triglycerides.  Is that what

we should look out for and totally ignore the rest?

+++The reason your friend's cholesterol readings are high after she

was on this program is because the body naturally increases its

cholesterol production during detoxification, which any doctor should

know since it is in medical texts. This program with its high " good "

fats naturally cleanses and detoxifies the body, even getting rid of

heavy metals. So depending upon how much toxin your friend had in

her body, besides candida toxins, her body could have produced much

more cholesterol.

+++The fact is that cholesterol is a repair and protective substance

the body produces as needed. Even if a person consumes no fat of any

kind the body would still produce the amount of cholesterol it

requires.

+++In The Cholesterol Myths book, by Dr. Uffe Ravnskov he describes

all the recent studies on the connection between heart disease and

cholesterol. His basic conclusion is that there is no connection

between cholesterol, lipid levels, coronary artery disease and intake

of traditional fats. Interestingly, even in orthodox medical circles

one hears a lot of moaning about how " nonspecific " these numbers are

in predicting coronary artery disease. What that means is that the

various cholesterol levels measured in the blood do not tell us

whether or not the patient is prone to heart disease. Those with low

total levels of cholesterol are just as likely to have a heart attack

as those with high total cholesterol.

+++Triglyceride level is the key indicator because it is directly

related to the amount of carbohydrates/sugars consumed. The more

carbohydrates, of any kind, the patient consumes, the higher the

triglyceride levels. Any readings below 1.7 mmol/L are okay.

> By the way how does one read the test? Sometimes it is in mg/dl and

sometimes it is in mmol/L? Can someone enlighten.

+++mg/dL is an abbreviation for milligrams per deciliter, so you get

readings like 250 mg/dL

mmol/L is an abbreviation for millimoles per litre.

+++Here's how to translate measurements:

-to convert mmol/L to mg/dL multiply mmol/L times 39 = mg/dL

-to convert mg/dL to mmol/L multiply mg/dL by 0.0259 = mmol/L

For example: 15.8 mmol/L translates to 616.2 mg/dL

Sally Fallon at the Weston A. Price Foundation writes that women can

have cholesterol readings as high as 1,000 mg and be perfectly

healthy.

Bee