exhausted

[Guest guest]

Are you:

1) Taking at least a multivitamin?

2) Consistently exercising?

3) Eating adequate protein?

4) Snoring? (may be indicative of a sleep problem)

5) Drinking sufficient water?

These are all things, off the top of my head, which could lead to

exhaustion.

It might be worth a trip to the doc for some bloodwork.

Helen in Redmond

[Guest guest]

Helen,

Thanks for the response. I am taking one multivitamin a day,

drinking plenty of water and I have a protein shake every morning.

I do eat other proteins during the day. I exercise and as soon as I

get home, I am ready for a nap. I have no idea what my problem is.

Kim

[Guest guest]

Are you taking an iron supplement too? I become anemic very easily, always

have but now it's worse because I eat so little, and so little meat. Also,

vitamin B-12 shots are helpful for folks who are losing weight, I've heard

it's easy to become deficient.

Sarina Mc

MIDbanded 11/06/02

by Dr. Frering in Lyon, France

215 / 118 / 115

[Guest guest]

Thanks for writing Sarina. My blood tests don't show that I'm anemic. I

was interested in one of the posts that I read where they talked about yeast

infections. I may have had a slight one before surgery, and after surgery I

had two bottles of swish and swallow, 7 days of pills, and 3 doses of a larger

dose, and I still can tell I have thrush in my mouth. I may have to tackle

that problem first and see if it is affecting any underlying problems that I'm

having.

Thanks for your concern.

Margo

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 2/25/2007 6:14:37 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, sulablue2001@... writes:

Five mini-meals a day is a lot to keep up with. No wonder I can't get off plan - I'm too busy cutting, chopping, cooking, and cleaning up to cheat!

Sounds like a full time job in itself Sula! Wow! Can you do a lot of prep-work on one day, that will last 2-3 days' worth, at least?? That might help to get you out of the kitchen more.

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[Guest guest]

Yeah, today was just a prep day.

I cut up and cooked chicken for tomorrow's Mexican Chicken Salad that will also

be used

later in the week for Mandarin Chicken over couscous. One meal today was beef

stirfry and

I made a double batch and cooked 4Xs the rice so that the rice will be made for

the double

batch of Sezchuan Pork stir fry tomorrow. Also pre-chopped the veggies so

tomorrow I

can just pull the marinating meat (already pre-sliced that today) and veg out of

the fridge

and have a meal done in 10 mins or less.

Some of the 'meals' are quick and simple:

1C cottage cheese + 3T rolled oats + 1/2C of some berry

or 1/2 medium apple, 21 raw almonds and 2 string cheeses.

I do admit that if nothing else it's keeping my blood sugars in check to eat

this way. Today

was the first day in 3 days I'd seen a glucose reading over 135 - and that's

simply because

I didn't calculate enough insulin for breakfast and didn't take any with my

sandwich from

Sonic due to being low. Still, even the Sonic chicken sandwich only brought me

as high as

136 with no insulin since I /was/ low.

I get about 1500 calories in per day. I seem to remember that I lose best on

around 1800

so I may have to up my fat and protein to get more calories in.

SulaBlue

> Sounds like a full time job in itself Sula! Wow! Can you do a lot of

> prep-work on one day, that will last 2-3 days' worth, at least?? That might

help

> to get you out of the kitchen more.

>

>

[Guest guest]

Barbara, the only side effects that I had from Methotrexate shots was a

little hair loss and blonding of hair. Some say you should not get too much

sun...as it can cause sun sensitivity. However, I used to work in the garden

without problems. I never had tummy upsets...because the shot by-passes the

stomach. Some have trouble with that side effect through the pill form. The bad

side effects from the drug come from the higher doses of Methotrexate for

cancer. Most people who take the lower doses for arthritis have little, if any,

side effects. Did the doctor say anything about folic acid? It is advisable to

have folic acid to prevent mouth ulcers. I took 1 mg a day...others take it a

little differently with success, too. Hope it works for you. If Methotrexate

works for you...it will take a little time to kick in. The doctor might

increase the dosage after a few months, but never as high as they give for

cancer.

If you know of someone who can give the shots (a friend/husband, etc)...you

wouldn't have to go to the doctor's office every week. My doctor ordered the

vial through Rx pharmacy and either I, or my husband, would give the shot. I

took it for several years before they ordered Humira. It may have helped in

the beginning.

Glad your Chanci came home. You have to tell him not to take so many

" chanci'es " . :-)

Best regards, Connie

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[Guest guest]

Hi Barbara,

I'm glad you got started on the methotrexate. Hopefully it will work and you

will start to feel better before long. I've been on it since October, and it

has helped me quite a bit. I have been taking the shots once a week; I took it

in pill form just once, when I was out of town on shot day.

For me, side effects have been very minimal. I had some slight nausea

beginning the second week, and lasting about 4 weeks. It would start the morning

after I got the shot. I found that sipping on a coke--my addiction--helped with

the queasiness, and I never threw up. When we went up on the dosage, the nausea

went away. I think taking the shots instead of the pills is better on the

tummy... otherwise, I do get some mouth ulcers, but I got a lot of them anyway:

it's just a Reiter's thing, I think. Last week I had a bunch of them on my

tongue, as well as elsewhere in my mouth, which wasn't much fun, but I know they

can be much worse than I have experienced.

I definitely think methotrexate is worth a try. Remember, most of the bad side

effects are when it is given at much higher doses, as a cancer drug. It will

probably take a couple of weeks for you to see any benefit. When I started

noticing it was helping, I would first have one better day a week, then a couple

of better days, and it went on from there.

Good luck! I'm thrilled to hear Chanci is home safely.

Pat

---------------------------------

Don't be flakey. Get for Mobile and

always stay connected to friends.

[Guest guest]

Hey Connie

I am loosing hair and I am not even standing close to a Methotrexate pill.

Fr. Dave

[Guest guest]

Well, you know what they say......too much testosterone. teehee.

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[Guest guest]

Dear Connie,

I am currently taking the pill form of the Methotrexate in a dosage

of 15mg a week. I also take Folic Acid every day. I took my first

dosage on Sunday evening and I thought that the doctor must have

given me the wrong information because it had not made me " sick " like

he said. However, I do have the fatigue, or atleast I believe that

the fatigue that I am suffering from is because of the med.

My doctor had told me that most likely I would suffer from vomiting,

diarrhea, stomach cramps and so on. I have had none of that so far.

I was a little nauses this morning but maybe it is because I am so

wiped out. I feel weak this morning like I have to motivate myself a

little to move. I just feel SO wiped out.

Are the side effects that my doctor talked about sometimes delayed.

I know when I have taken meds before it took it a while to build up

in my system before I notice the side effects. Is this true with

this medication.

I am not crazy about the thought of hair lost, since I do have long

hair which is almost down to my rear end, but the blonding of the

hair could be a good thing as long as it looks good. Maybe if that

happens I will just color my hair to blonde so it will match. LOL.

If some reason it comes down to shot I could give myself those. My

Grandmother is insulin dependant and I have had to give her

injections before as well as my oldest daughter when she was having

to have injections at home during her chemo treatment when she was

dealing with her cancer.

Barbara

[Guest guest]

Pat and others,

I noticed you mentioned that you like Coke (cola). Do any of you notice

your symptoms are worsened by cola type drinks (more than one)? I am a

recovering Coke (cola) addict and have long noticed that when I drink a

couple of them, or even wine, or eat too much sugar/chocolate, my

symptoms of fatigue and joint pain is much worse. Any feedback

welcomed.

Best regards,

[Guest guest]

I am 3 weeks out of THR. I can walk a little, but it hurts to do so. I am

68.

Find that if friends get me for lunch and I am gone 1 -2 hours, I am tired

and ready for a nap when I get back home.

Things do improve a little everyday

On Wed, Aug 27, 2008 at 3:26 PM, Lynn Badler <coalvilleut@...> wrote:

> One more thing for those about to have surgery. I was totally energetic

> before surgery, even though my hip hurt. I did tons of things and was

> busy morning to night.

> Now, a little over 3 weeks after surgery I am doing the pt and walking

> I am supposed to and some other stuff around the house but I am

> EXHAUSTED. I nap twice a day (short ones, maybe 20 minutes but still).

> That's another reason you may want to be with someone for at least a

> few days after leaving the hospital.

> Lynn

> Were others tired too?

>

>

>

--

P Kollin

[Guest guest]

Lynn,

I was totally exhausted. I would nap several times a day and sleep at night

was in bursts because pain or discomfort would interrupt. I work from home

so I was able to work for a bit, then go nap some more. Even if I wasn't

napping I wanted to sit on the couch with my legs out in front of me.

Exhausted

One more thing for those about to have surgery. I was totally energetic

before surgery, even though my hip hurt. I did tons of things and was

busy morning to night.

Now, a little over 3 weeks after surgery I am doing the pt and walking

I am supposed to and some other stuff around the house but I am

EXHAUSTED. I nap twice a day (short ones, maybe 20 minutes but still).

That's another reason you may want to be with someone for at least a

few days after leaving the hospital.

Lynn

Were others tired too?

------------------------------------

[Guest guest]

Thanks ,

Likewise. Sleeping at night is not pleasant, that's when my hip

hurts. I sleep about an hour and a half at a time and look at the

clock and think 'darn not time to get up yet " . Naps are Much better

but of course they're short.

Lynn

>

> Lynn,

>

> I was totally exhausted. I would nap several times a day and sleep

at night

> was in bursts because pain or discomfort would interrupt. I work

from home

> so I was able to work for a bit, then go nap some more. Even if I

wasn't

> napping I wanted to sit on the couch with my legs out in front of

me.

>

>

>

> Exhausted

>

>

> One more thing for those about to have surgery. I was totally

energetic

> before surgery, even though my hip hurt. I did tons of things and

was

> busy morning to night.

> Now, a little over 3 weeks after surgery I am doing the pt and

walking

> I am supposed to and some other stuff around the house but I am

> EXHAUSTED. I nap twice a day (short ones, maybe 20 minutes but

still).

> That's another reason you may want to be with someone for at least a

> few days after leaving the hospital.

> Lynn

> Were others tired too?

>

>

> ------------------------------------

>

>

[Guest guest]

Exhaustion after surgery..that was an understatement for me!  All I wanted to do

was sleep, and it didn't help that I had trouble doing so the first 2.5 weeks. 

I'm at 5.5 weeks post-op now  and still want to nap.  I have just returned to

work full time this week (teacher).  Being on my feet all day after spending 5

weeks just lounging around the house was a rude awakening for me!  The first two

days I just came home and fell right to sleep.  Today seemed a little better,

but I made a point of trying to stay off my feet a little more. 

 

Lori

[Guest guest]

Being tired is perfectly natural. Your body is doing a lot of work

recovering from the trama of the operation. Muscles have been bruised

and stretched. The bone have been cut for the new knee and is

regrowing bone at the openings. Blood is fighting any possible

infections by producing hugh amounts of white cells. If you have you

pain meds off some energy is being used because of the pain and our

reaction to it.

So that is why you are tired and need a lot of sleep. If you get your

pain med adjusted correctly (everyone is different) you body can

devote more energy into the healing process.

Don

>

> One more thing for those about to have surgery. I was totally energetic

> before surgery, even though my hip hurt. I did tons of things and was

> busy morning to night.

> Now, a little over 3 weeks after surgery I am doing the pt and walking

> I am supposed to and some other stuff around the house but I am

> EXHAUSTED. I nap twice a day (short ones, maybe 20 minutes but still).

> That's another reason you may want to be with someone for at least a

> few days after leaving the hospital.

> Lynn

> Were others tired too?

>

[Guest guest]

I started easing into the diet about 6 weeks ago, though I am only off all

grains for two weeks (though with one cheat) and eating the veggies, fats, and

meats.  I am finishing up my own vitamins and plan on shopping today for some of

the recommended ones (A, D, E in particular) as I can't afford to buy all of

them at the moment.  I am also taking 2 tablespoons + 1 tsp coconut oil per day

(split up, the small dose is with breakfast).

I am EXHAUSTED.  I feel like I'm about to keel over any minute (thought I would

pass out on the loo just now!), my heart feels like it's working REAL hard the

past few days, and I have NO energy.

At the start I assumed it was because I had removed the last grains (rice) from

my diet and my body needed to adjust to the food change.  Now I'm wondering if

my blood pressure is too low (heart working hard/pounding) or if this could be

mostly die-off, as I've read that releasing of toxins can create flu-like

symptoms including lethargy etc?  It's scary!  I feel in danger of collapse and

very weak.

Is this die-off?  I'm planning on backing off a little on the VCO today.  But I

am trying to write my thesis also and it's really hard to get the brain going,

not to mention get to the store to shop for food when I feel like I'm just going

to drop!  Any advice appreciated.

Thanks,

andra

[Guest guest]

andra, you are not alone in feeling the way you do. We have all

experienced the same things, which are definitely die-off symptoms.

Also coconut oil creates some changes of its own which are not

harmful in any way, and will change as you continue on it.

It takes time for the body to switch over from running on

carbs/sugars to running on good fats as well. I suggest you follow

the recommendations in this article " Help for Die-Off Symptoms " ;

http://www.healingnaturallybybee.com/articles/help2.php

If you are very concerned however, you should see your doctor.

The best, Bee

>

> I started easing into the diet about 6 weeks ago, though I am only

off all grains for two weeks (though with one cheat) and eating the

veggies, fats, and meats.  I am finishing up my own vitamins and plan

on shopping today for some of the recommended ones (A, D, E in

particular) as I can't afford to buy all of them at the moment.  I am

also taking 2 tablespoons + 1 tsp coconut oil per day (split up, the

small dose is with breakfast).

>

> I am EXHAUSTED.  I feel like I'm about to keel over any minute

(thought I would pass out on the loo just now!), my heart feels like

it's working REAL hard the past few days, and I have NO energy.

>

> At the start I assumed it was because I had removed the last grains

(rice) from my diet and my body needed to adjust to the food change. 

Now I'm wondering if my blood pressure is too low (heart working

hard/pounding) or if this could be mostly die-off, as I've read that

releasing of toxins can create flu-like symptoms including lethargy

etc?  It's scary!  I feel in danger of collapse and very weak.

>

> Is this die-off?  I'm planning on backing off a little on the VCO

today.  But I am trying to write my thesis also and it's really hard

to get the brain going, not to mention get to the store to shop for

food when I feel like I'm just going to drop!  Any advice appreciated.

[Guest guest]

Thanks for getting back to me!  I truly appreciate it.  It is a relief to get

confirmation that this is die-off.. I did cut back on the coconut oil a bit

today, and I'm not sure if that was the sole reason, but I am doing much better

since yesterday or this morning.  So for now, I don't need to see the doctor for

my peace of mind...

Thanks again!!

andra

>>

andra, you are not alone in feeling the way you do. We have all

experienced the same things, which are definitely die-off symptoms.

Also coconut oil creates some changes of its own which are not

harmful in any way, and will change as you continue on it.

It takes time for the body to switch over from running on

carbs/sugars to running on good fats as well.

>>

==

~freedom is a state of mind

[Guest guest]

>

> Thanks for getting back to me!  I truly appreciate it.  It is a

relief to get confirmation that this is die-off.. I did cut back on the

coconut oil a bit today, and I'm not sure if that was the sole reason,

but I am doing much better since yesterday or this morning.  So for

now, I don't need to see the doctor for my peace of mind...

That's wonderful andra. You are in control of how much die-off

occurs at one time, mainly by regulating the amount of coconut oil.

Only go at your own pace when you increase it. Some people take months

to get up the the maximum dose. If you increase it too soon and have

intolerable die-off symptoms, cut back again, and so on.

The best, Bee

[Guest guest]

Lynn, ABSOLUTELY! I've heard from several medical people that it can take at

least a month to get the general anesthesia out of your system. Plus, for every

day you're in the hospital, it takes at least TWO days to recover. My OT in

Rehab told me that. It takes awhile, but you will build your stamina back up to

where it used to be. If not better. Just remember, everyone's different. We

all heal at different rates. Don't rush yourself. And, listen to your body!

Rest when you need to, exercise when you feel good, etc.

Best of luck!

Tammy Klaus

tammy.kl@...

[Guest guest]

I thank everyone as well, sometimes it can be lonely and isolated. This group

feels like home.

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exhausted

For everyone who tirelessly fights this fight I applaud you. I have

not been doing it very long but it is tiring but I won't stop. People

are idiots.

le

[Guest guest]

Yes, but there are so many more aware now than years gone by. So many. I only

knew of two families who didn't vax when I stopped. Now look--it's very

encouraging, but yes, exhausting.

Winnie

exhausted

Vaccinations

> For everyone who tirelessly fights this fight I applaud you. I

> have

> not been doing it very long but it is tiring but I won't stop.

> People

> are idiots.

>

> le

>

[Guest guest]

so why don't you just block him off your page. i thought that could be done

somehow.

 

Arianna Mojica-   (UCC 1-207/1-103) 

~~~ " All rights not demanded are presumed waived " . ~ Thurston

________________________________

From: " daniellehunt@... " <daniellehunt@...>

Vaccinations

Sent: Friday, May 8, 2009 2:34:44 PM

Subject: Re: exhausted

Three words.

Prima le Amy

These are three of the people that are following the thread and have emailed me

questions. I may never get him to see the light but others will.

I know he isn't worth it however I getting the first email about toxins in

sunscreens and her question of what other things are bad for us really made my

day.

le

Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

Re: exhausted

very true and I am thrilled by that, it stokes my fire so to speak.

But i have been battling this guy on FB and it is tiring. I swear he

haunts me day and night. The thing that kills me is that he does not

have kids and I know I would not be in this position if I didn't have

kids. I wouldn't know the things I know if it wasn't for my kids or

my friends (internet friends too) and their kids. Kids bring a lot of

experiences with Drs. and ER's.

le

On May 7, 2009, at 8:33 PM, wharrison@... wrote:

>

>

> Yes, but there are so many more aware now than years gone by. So

> many. I only knew of two families who didn't vax when I stopped. Now

> look--it's very encouraging, but yes, exhausting.

>

> Winnie

>

> exhausted

> Vaccinations

>

> > For everyone who tirelessly fights this fight I applaud you. I

> > have

> > not been doing it very long but it is tiring but I won't stop.

> > People

> > are idiots.

> >

> > le

> >

>

>