FRUSTRATION!!!

[Guest guest]

None of the fat measuring methods is completely exact, so the most

you should accept from them is an estimate. But at least it gets you

in the fat percentage ballpark.

If you have a protein bar for breakfast are there any carbs? You

might feel more satisfied having real food like oatmeal and eggs or

something rib sticking and save the protein bar for the midmorning or

midafternoon meals. The cottage cheese portion should be at least 3/4

cup to optimize the protein for that meal. Where is meal 6?

If you feel leaner you are getting results. Your stomach may well be

the last to go but don't let this get you off track. A six pound

weight loss in six weeks is awesome. Sounds like you are doing fine

so far. Just keep up the good work and forge ahead in the last half

and you should be very satisfied with the results. If you feel more

is needed by all means start another 12 week increment. Keep up the

good work!

Stasia

[Guest guest]

Beth, I am so sorry. I can't imagine how stressful this must be for you. I hope they can do it with the "happy juice."

Noelle (12-2-01)Ian (8-15-04)

FRUSTRATION!!!

Ok... heres the deal. My daughter is high risk anestesia. So Italked to at SLC today and they don't have the equipment tohandle any possible emergency care anestesia. So they can't put herto sleep at SLC because they can't take care of her!!! So she wantsme to get her Xrays made Monday (as we have an appt anyway) and sendthem and her anestesia records. She will have the ppl there reviewthem (the anestesiologist and Dr D'). They will then decide if maybethey can just put her under a bit with happy juice or something (whichI know she can tollerate) and cast her there. Otherwise there is noway they can care for her at SLC.I could just SCREAM!!!So, what other Drs do casting? I guess I just get to call eachfreakin facility and find out who has the equipment to handle mydaughter under anestesia. Otherwise casting is out and I get to sithere and wait on her to grow (she is 17 lbs and 18 months old) to beold enough to get Titanium Rib and all the expansions because that isthe only option for her since there are project sites with theequipment to sedate her?! That seems so far to her, huh?Ok... I am not sure I can even begin to express my frustration at thismoment.... So I better shuttup!Beth

[Guest guest]

Beth

I have had a hard time trying to keep up with many situations?

What is your child's info?

Sorry to be a pin and not remember.

_kulali_@... wrote:

Thanks Carmell :)I talked to that day. She was pretty much said "it can'thappen" and I questioned quite a bit. So she said to send Xrays andmy daughters anestesia reports and she would have the 2 Drs look atthem and decide from there. I had to question why it couldn't be donea different way before she even told me to go on and send myinformation. I felt somewhat dismissed. I had called because theyhad made us an outpatient clinic appt with nothing else. Which wasn'tright considering our distance and situation. So we should know moreonce I get things sent. We were suppose to travel to a surgeryfollow-up tomorrow (2.5 hrs is the distance we drive for our daughtersregular orthopedic care) and we would get new Xrays to send as well ascopies of old ones. Now it looks

like that will be postponed due tosnow. 8-12 inches they say. They should reschedule us for next week.I haven't lost all hope.... I am just very very tired. All thelittle things just totally add up. I took to her normal weeklyappointment on Friday and was just bawling in the office. I wasassured we would get it done somehow... even if we have to call everyorthopedic we can find and get someone to learn. It wasn't even thisspecific event or call... it was just one of those days I think...Anyway thanks! I sure hope they work out something. Someone will, Ihope .Beth> Hi Beth, > > I have a hard time believing that Shriners in SLC> won't be able to help you. I KNOW for a fact that the> complex patients are very well taken

care of at> Primary Childrens Medical Center, which is VERY near> Shriners - you can see one building from the other, a> few short blocks away from each other. Three weeks> ago a patient from Shriners who was in a halo traction> had the halo removed and VEPTR (TRP) implants done at> PCMC. PCMC is a level 1 pediatric trauma hospital, so> if they can't take care of the anesthesia issues, no> one could. This situation seems to need some involved> and precise planning, but otherwise should still be> do-able. Maybe a phone call to ask more questions> would be a good idea?> > Good luck! You don't need anymore frustration at this point!> > =====> Carmell> mom to Kara 18, idiopathic scoliosis, Blake 13, GERD and Braydon 9,VACTERL, GERD, DGE, Titanium Rib Project patient #137 (dbl implant8/01), thoracic insufficiency, rib anomalies,

congenital scoliosis(fusion surgery 5/96), missing coccyx, fatty filum/TC (released 4/99),anal stenosis, chronic constipation, horseshoe (cross-fused) kidney,dbl ureter in left kidney, ureterocele (excized 6/95), kidney reflux(reimplant surgery 1/97), neurogenic bladder, bilateral hip dysplasia,right leg/foot dyplasia, tibial torsion, clubfoot with 8 toes(reconstructed 2/96, 3/96, 1/97, 3/04), pes cavus, bicuspid AV, singleumblilical artery, tonsil-adnoidectomy and ear tubes (3/98), etc.> > > > > __________________________________ > Do you ? > - You care about security. So do we. > http://promotions./new_mail__________________________________________________

[Guest guest]

is 18 months old and 17 lbs. She has Arthrogryposis and so her

scoliosis options have been postponed until after her corrective foot

surgery and casting. She is now ready for the next step. She has a

lower thorasic C curve of 45 degrees.

Beth

> Beth

>

> I have had a hard time trying to keep up with many situations?

> What is your child's info?

> Sorry to be a pin and not remember.

>

>

[Guest guest]

is 18 months old and 17 lbs. She has Arthrogryposis and so her

scoliosis options have been postponed until after her corrective foot

surgery and casting. She is now ready for the next step. She has a

lower thorasic C curve of 45 degrees.

Beth

> Beth

>

> I have had a hard time trying to keep up with many situations?

> What is your child's info?

> Sorry to be a pin and not remember.

>

>

[Guest guest]

It's been so frustrating for me here (in Singapore) to get the stuff

that I need. It's either not available for very expensive.

- organic free range eggs are imported so they cost $14 for a dozen

vs $3 for local eggs.

- organic chickens again imported at $40 per chicken vs $5 for a

local chicken (which are injected with growth hormones & antibiotics

& culled at 6 weeks old!)

- ok, organic veges are expensive but just double to cost of non-

organic so its not as bad.

- I cant for the life of me find organic beef or lamb.

- I found out from several fishmongers from several different markets

that all our fish are farmed and either come from local kelongs or

from Malaysia or Indonesia.

- OK, then there's the supplements. I still cant find the full range

of products that I need & well of course I can order from vitacost

but its going to cost a bomb to get it delivered!

Anyway, yesterday i felt so exhausted trying to hunt down all the

stuff I need. I felt so down & guess what, indulged myself in 2 dark

chocolate magnum. Yes, I did. Budget is a major issue. I dont work &

we have 3 kids. We cant afford to screw up out monthly marketing

budget & not to mention costly supplements.

This morning, i cried my eyes out coz I woke up with a major headache

& a terrible mucousy feeling in my ears that I havent had this whole

week.

Sigh....

[Guest guest]

>

> It's been so frustrating for me here (in Singapore) to get the

stuff

> that I need. It's either not available for very expensive.

>

> - organic free range eggs are imported so they cost $14 for a dozen

> vs $3 for local eggs.

>

> - organic chickens again imported at $40 per chicken vs $5 for a

> local chicken (which are injected with growth hormones &

antibiotics & culled at 6 weeks old!)

>

> - ok, organic veges are expensive but just double to cost of non-

> organic so its not as bad.

>

> - I cant for the life of me find organic beef or lamb.

>

> - I found out from several fishmongers from several different

markets

> that all our fish are farmed and either come from local kelongs or

> from Malaysia or Indonesia.

>

> - OK, then there's the supplements. I still cant find the full

range

> of products that I need & well of course I can order from vitacost

> but its going to cost a bomb to get it delivered!

>

> Anyway, yesterday i felt so exhausted trying to hunt down all the

> stuff I need. I felt so down & guess what, indulged myself in 2

dark

> chocolate magnum. Yes, I did. Budget is a major issue. I dont work

&

> we have 3 kids. We cant afford to screw up out monthly marketing

> budget & not to mention costly supplements.

>

> This morning, i cried my eyes out coz I woke up with a major

headache & a terrible mucousy feeling in my ears that I havent had

this whole week.

Dearest Shirin. My heart goes out to you with trying so hard to find

the right things and yet running into brick walls.

You can still do okay on non-organic foods, IF they not irradiated

(zapped with radiation). It is much more important to eat foods on

the diet list, and obtain their nutrients even if they also contain

some pesticides, antibiotics, etc. That is because this program will

also help your body get rid of any toxins in those foods.

What supplements are you having troubles finding?

The best to you, Bee

[Guest guest]

Shirin, my heart goes out to you. I too have a hard way of finding

organic beef, or chicken. Eggs are easy fortunately. And the beef

and chicken, I just use my own inner guidance to choose the best they

have in the store. I choose the beef or chicken that feels good

(asking Source energy to guide me).

Not taking any high carbs, dairy and sugar will be a good start,

won't it?

Just say to yourself that you will find your way, and then you will

wishing you good luck!

>

> It's been so frustrating for me here (in Singapore) to get the

stuff

> that I need. It's either not available for very expensive.

>

> - organic free range eggs are imported so they cost $14 for a dozen

> vs $3 for local eggs.

>

> - organic chickens again imported at $40 per chicken vs $5 for a

> local chicken (which are injected with growth hormones &

antibiotics

> & culled at 6 weeks old!)

>

> - ok, organic veges are expensive but just double to cost of non-

> organic so its not as bad.

>

> - I cant for the life of me find organic beef or lamb.

>

> - I found out from several fishmongers from several different

markets

> that all our fish are farmed and either come from local kelongs or

> from Malaysia or Indonesia.

>

> - OK, then there's the supplements. I still cant find the full

range

> of products that I need & well of course I can order from vitacost

> but its going to cost a bomb to get it delivered!

>

> Anyway, yesterday i felt so exhausted trying to hunt down all the

> stuff I need. I felt so down & guess what, indulged myself in 2

dark

> chocolate magnum. Yes, I did. Budget is a major issue. I dont work

&

> we have 3 kids. We cant afford to screw up out monthly marketing

> budget & not to mention costly supplements.

>

> This morning, i cried my eyes out coz I woke up with a major

headache

> & a terrible mucousy feeling in my ears that I havent had this

whole

> week.

>

> Sigh....

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Bee,

Thanks for your reply.

For the supplements, I cant seem to find a pure calcium citrate or

magnesium citrate. They all come combined or the calcium is a

combination of different calciums.

I do have leftovers of coral calcium. Is that ok to take?

As for magnesium, I got magnesium glycinate leftovers as well.

The B complex is also another issue as the ones I've found are always

short of something like the Choline is 20 mg or the folic acid is

only 200 mg. And the only niacin that I can find is 100 mg. So what

do I do? Can i just make do with it?

I've found the vit A & E but I'm not taking it for now coz I've

always had a problem with gelcaps. They make me super nauseous. So

I'm just going with what I have for now.

I do have a question on food rotation. My doctor says due to my leaky

gut I have to rotate my foods. So I'm still worried about the eggs.

Shall I just do them daily?

Oh and another question. I'm planning to do the 9 day program so will

have to do the enemas. If I use the bulb type will I still have to do

it repeatedly to get in the whole quart of water or just once will

do? And when would be the best times to do it?

Can I take the pau d'arco tea during the 9 day program or do I have

to wait till I can take 5 tbsp of VCO?

Thanks so much Bee for answering all my questions.

Shirin

> >

> > It's been so frustrating for me here (in Singapore) to get the

> stuff

> > that I need. It's either not available for very expensive.

> >

> > - organic free range eggs are imported so they cost $14 for a

dozen

> > vs $3 for local eggs.

> >

> > - organic chickens again imported at $40 per chicken vs $5 for a

> > local chicken (which are injected with growth hormones &

> antibiotics & culled at 6 weeks old!)

> >

> > - ok, organic veges are expensive but just double to cost of non-

> > organic so its not as bad.

> >

> > - I cant for the life of me find organic beef or lamb.

> >

> > - I found out from several fishmongers from several different

> markets

> > that all our fish are farmed and either come from local kelongs

or

> > from Malaysia or Indonesia.

> >

> > - OK, then there's the supplements. I still cant find the full

> range

> > of products that I need & well of course I can order from

vitacost

> > but its going to cost a bomb to get it delivered!

> >

> > Anyway, yesterday i felt so exhausted trying to hunt down all the

> > stuff I need. I felt so down & guess what, indulged myself in 2

> dark

> > chocolate magnum. Yes, I did. Budget is a major issue. I dont

work

> &

> > we have 3 kids. We cant afford to screw up out monthly marketing

> > budget & not to mention costly supplements.

> >

> > This morning, i cried my eyes out coz I woke up with a major

> headache & a terrible mucousy feeling in my ears that I havent had

> this whole week.

>

> Dearest Shirin. My heart goes out to you with trying so hard to

find

> the right things and yet running into brick walls.

>

> You can still do okay on non-organic foods, IF they not irradiated

> (zapped with radiation). It is much more important to eat foods on

> the diet list, and obtain their nutrients even if they also contain

> some pesticides, antibiotics, etc. That is because this program

will

> also help your body get rid of any toxins in those foods.

>

> What supplements are you having troubles finding?

>

> The best to you, Bee

>

[Guest guest]

>

> Hi Bee,

>

> Thanks for your reply.

>

> For the supplements, I cant seem to find a pure calcium citrate or

> magnesium citrate. They all come combined or the calcium is a

> combination of different calciums.

>

> I do have leftovers of coral calcium. Is that ok to take?

>

> As for magnesium, I got magnesium glycinate leftovers as well.

+++Hi Shirin. You can take both of those, but if it doesn't state

the " elemental amount " on the label then you need to take 60% more

than the milligrams I list. Also take them both with vitamin C.

>

> The B complex is also another issue as the ones I've found are

always short of something like the Choline is 20 mg or the folic acid

is only 200 mg. And the only niacin that I can find is 100 mg. So

what do I do? Can i just make do with it?

+++Yes, you will be okay take that B complex. Cut the niacin in half

to take it too.

>

> I've found the vit A & E but I'm not taking it for now coz I've

> always had a problem with gelcaps. They make me super nauseous. So

> I'm just going with what I have for now.

>

> I do have a question on food rotation. My doctor says due to my

leaky gut I have to rotate my foods. So I'm still worried about the

eggs. Shall I just do them daily?

+++Please read my article " The Leaky Gut Theory is False " :

http://www.healingnaturallybybee.com/articles/dig12.php

+++Food rotation is totally unnecessary. The way you start on eggs

is to start with only the egg yolk and have small amounts, even if

you can only have a teaspoon 3 times a day. You can add it to soup

or other dishes. Eggs contain sulphur so they may cause die-off

symptoms. When you start with small amounts it minimizes your die-

off/healing reactions.

>

> Oh and another question. I'm planning to do the 9 day program so

will have to do the enemas. If I use the bulb type will I still have

to do it repeatedly to get in the whole quart of water or just once

will do? And when would be the best times to do it?

+++The article " Clear Water Enema Procedures " explains when you do

them, and you only put in a total of 2 cups, filling the bulb 2 times.

>

> Can I take the pau d'arco tea during the 9 day program or do I have

> to wait till I can take 5 tbsp of VCO?

+++You can have the Pau D'Arco tea anytime, and it is okay on the 9-

day program too.

>

> Thanks so much Bee for answering all my questions.

+++You are so very welcome Shirin. I commend you for trying so hard

to get what you need and for trying to follow the program

accurately. You will benefit a great deal! There are healthy happy

days ahead for you.

Luv, Bee

[Guest guest]

HI shirin, we have a small chicken coop and have our own eggs and chickens,

as well as a vege garden. We have an average suburban block in Adelaide and

most of the back yard is taken with something growing or contributing to our

food intake. I don't know what the conditions are like in Singapore. I have

heard it is very cramped, in the city at least. But maybe you could keep a

few chooks?? They eat all our scraps and we just feed them a mix of seeds

and grains.

If you haven't gardened before then there is loads of great info on the net

- probably the easiest way is by using a no-dig garden, especially since you

are already stressed and unwell. We use permaculture principles and that

helps keep the garden going along largely by itself.

Sorry I don't have any ideas about how to make your own supplements etc!!

Hope that helps a little,

(Homeschooling mum of two teens)

Adelaide Australia

[Guest guest]

Hi there,

We have lived in Adelaide and Melbourne due to my husband's work. You

have no idea what cramped means. Our current apartment is considered

large at 130 sqm, of course only a third of the size of our home in

Melbourne. Let's not mention our backyard that had a spa & even space

to have a miniature horse!

In Singapore, most of us live in aparments either private condos or

government apartments. The sizes range from 50 sqm to about 120 sqm

in or out of the city. Singapore as a country is really so tiny so we

import most of our food (i.e. meat, rice, veges) even drinking water.

Drinking water from our taps is recycled sewage... yes....

There is no place for a garden. We dont have a balcony just a little

corridor space that gets little sunlight that we cant even dry our

clothes there.

It is illegal to have any sort of animals except for domestic pets in

homes. Even if I had a garden, I wouldnt be able to rear any chickens

even for my own consumption due to the zoning issues. There are a few

local vegetable farms and several chicken farms which are located in

designated farming areas in Singapore. However, most of our supplies

come from malaysia, thailand and china.

I clearly stay away from all China products. We pay a lot more for

stuff that comes from Australia or US.

There has recently been more demand for organic vegetables in

Singapore so prices of organic veges have been dropping to just about

2 to 3x what normal veges would cost. Meat however is ridiculously

expensive as they come from Australia, NZ or US.

I compared the price of products in Vitacost & at our health store.

The same supplement costing US$7 is in Singapore S$40. That's

ridiculous. Even with the exchange rate it should only be $10!

Well, I miss the days when i could walk into a Safeway & buy free

range chicken or shop at market.

Sorry for the vent... but it really is frustrating!

>

> HI shirin, we have a small chicken coop and have our own eggs and

chickens,

> as well as a vege garden. We have an average suburban block in

Adelaide and

> most of the back yard is taken with something growing or

contributing to our

> food intake. I don't know what the conditions are like in

Singapore. I have

> heard it is very cramped, in the city at least. But maybe you could

keep a

> few chooks?? They eat all our scraps and we just feed them a mix of

seeds

> and grains.

>

> If you haven't gardened before then there is loads of great info on

the net

> - probably the easiest way is by using a no-dig garden, especially

since you

> are already stressed and unwell. We use permaculture principles and

that

> helps keep the garden going along largely by itself.

>

> Sorry I don't have any ideas about how to make your own supplements

etc!!

>

> Hope that helps a little,

>

> (Homeschooling mum of two teens)

> Adelaide Australia

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Shirin,

Im sorry if I sounded trite, I didn't mean to. I had no idea that Singapore

was that cramped, I just knew that cars were limited in the city and that

housing in the city was completely high rise, but I thought outside the city

it would be more suburban/rural.

I hope you can find something sustainable for yourself and your family, in

order to regain your health fully. My thoughts are with you.

(Homeschooling mum of two teens)

Adelaide Australia

From: [mailto: ]

On Behalf Of Shirin

Sent: Monday, 8 September 2008 9:54 AM

Subject: [ ] Re: FRUSTRATION!!!

Hi there,

We have lived in Adelaide and Melbourne due to my husband's work. You

have no idea what cramped means. Our current apartment is considered

large at 130 sqm, of course only a third of the size of our home in

Melbourne. Let's not mention our backyard that had a spa & even space

to have a miniature horse!

In Singapore, most of us live in aparments either private condos or

government apartments. The sizes range from 50 sqm to about 120 sqm

in or out of the city. Singapore as a country is really so tiny so we

import most of our food (i.e. meat, rice, veges) even drinking water.

Drinking water from our taps is recycled sewage... yes....

There is no place for a garden. We dont have a balcony just a little

corridor space that gets little sunlight that we cant even dry our

clothes there.

It is illegal to have any sort of animals except for domestic pets in

homes. Even if I had a garden, I wouldnt be able to rear any chickens

even for my own consumption due to the zoning issues. There are a few

local vegetable farms and several chicken farms which are located in

designated farming areas in Singapore. However, most of our supplies

come from malaysia, thailand and china.

I clearly stay away from all China products. We pay a lot more for

stuff that comes from Australia or US.

There has recently been more demand for organic vegetables in

Singapore so prices of organic veges have been dropping to just about

2 to 3x what normal veges would cost. Meat however is ridiculously

expensive as they come from Australia, NZ or US.

I compared the price of products in Vitacost & at our health store.

The same supplement costing US$7 is in Singapore S$40. That's

ridiculous. Even with the exchange rate it should only be $10!

Well, I miss the days when i could walk into a Safeway & buy free

range chicken or shop at market.

Sorry for the vent... but it really is frustrating!

>

> HI shirin, we have a small chicken coop and have our own eggs and

chickens,

> as well as a vege garden. We have an average suburban block in

Adelaide and

> most of the back yard is taken with something growing or

contributing to our

> food intake. I don't know what the conditions are like in

Singapore. I have

> heard it is very cramped, in the city at least. But maybe you could

keep a

> few chooks?? They eat all our scraps and we just feed them a mix of

seeds

> and grains.

>

> If you haven't gardened before then there is loads of great info on

the net

> - probably the easiest way is by using a no-dig garden, especially

since you

> are already stressed and unwell. We use permaculture principles and

that

> helps keep the garden going along largely by itself.

>

> Sorry I don't have any ideas about how to make your own supplements

etc!!

>

> Hope that helps a little,

>

> (Homeschooling mum of two teens)

> Adelaide Australia

>

[Guest guest]

Hi .

Sorry for venting. It wasnt becoz of your comment at all. We came

back to Singapore fr Melbourne in May last year & everyone is missing

our home & friends there terribly. And being sick is no fun either!

There are also many wonderful things about Singapore. Like how clean

& safe it is here.

Which part of Adelaide do u stay? We used to live in Brighton & were

planning to move to Seaview Downs coz it was cheaper but then got

moved to Melbourne instead.

Cheers,

Shirin

> >

> > HI shirin, we have a small chicken coop and have our own eggs and

> chickens,

> > as well as a vege garden. We have an average suburban block in

> Adelaide and

> > most of the back yard is taken with something growing or

> contributing to our

> > food intake. I don't know what the conditions are like in

> Singapore. I have

> > heard it is very cramped, in the city at least. But maybe you

could

> keep a

> > few chooks?? They eat all our scraps and we just feed them a mix

of

> seeds

> > and grains.

> >

> > If you haven't gardened before then there is loads of great info

on

> the net

> > - probably the easiest way is by using a no-dig garden,

especially

> since you

> > are already stressed and unwell. We use permaculture principles

and

> that

> > helps keep the garden going along largely by itself.

> >

> > Sorry I don't have any ideas about how to make your own

supplements

> etc!!

> >

> > Hope that helps a little,

> >

> > (Homeschooling mum of two teens)

> > Adelaide Australia

> >

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Shirin,

I live in Shanghai, so I completely understand your frustration. There

is NO organic meat here at all...And almost no supplements, which I

have to buy in Hong Kong.

But maybe this might help- there is a very expensive Japanese

supermarket here, but I found that the meat is cheaper than Australian,

and tastes really good. Also, they have imported Japanese vegetables

(in the Frozen Food section), which are organic, and cost 4-5 times

less then those from US, approximately the same price as local frozen

veggies (which are not organic).

Not sure if there is METRO wholesale supermarket in Singapore- I buy

meat and fish in a bulk- lots of imported goods, good quality and

excellent prices.

All the best to you,

Dejana

[Guest guest]

hmmm.... thanks for that idea. We do have a couple of Japanese

supermarkets but I always had the impression that they were

expensive. I'll check them out this weekend.

thanks

Shirin

>

> Hi Shirin,

>

> I live in Shanghai, so I completely understand your frustration.

There

> is NO organic meat here at all...And almost no supplements, which I

> have to buy in Hong Kong.

>

> But maybe this might help- there is a very expensive Japanese

> supermarket here, but I found that the meat is cheaper than

Australian,

> and tastes really good. Also, they have imported Japanese

vegetables

> (in the Frozen Food section), which are organic, and cost 4-5 times

> less then those from US, approximately the same price as local

frozen

> veggies (which are not organic).

> Not sure if there is METRO wholesale supermarket in Singapore- I

buy

> meat and fish in a bulk- lots of imported goods, good quality and

> excellent prices.

>

> All the best to you,

> Dejana

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Shirin,

Would you please " trim your messages " ? The instructions as posted on

the group every 2 weeks.

Thanks a bunch,

Bee

>

> Hi .

>

> Sorry for venting. It wasnt becoz of your comment at all. We came

> back to Singapore fr Melbourne in May last year & everyone is missing

> our home & friends there terribly. And being sick is no fun either!