Sprouted Breads

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Hey Doug, look again. I have several versions of the Bible, including

King , and Ezekiel is in all of them. It's important to note here

that God is speaking to Ezekiel here and not to mankind. Also, the name

of Jesus never appears in the Old Testament.

ew

Re: sprouted breads

Date: Tue, 08 Apr 2008 13:38:49 -0000

>

> Hi Doug!

> It is Ezekiel 4:9 I guess, from the Bible.

>

> Karine

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Karine,

Thanks. This explains why I couldn't find the quote in my Bible. The

book of Exekiel isn't part of the King Version.

Doug

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No its not!

Re: sprouted breads

What is the source of the quote below???

Doug C.

Houston, Tex.

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> > Jesus replied, " Let the angels of God prepare your bread Moisten

your

> > wheat, that the angel of water may enter it. Then set it in the

air,

> > that the angel of air also may embrace it. And leave it from

morning

> > to evening beneath the sun, that the angel of sunshine may

descend

> > upon it. And the blessing of the three angels will soon make the

germ

> > of life to sprout in your wheat, Then crush your grain, and make

thin

> > wafers.... Put them back again beneath the sun.... And the same

sun

> > which with the fire of life, mode the wheat to grow and ripen! ,

must

> > cook your bread with the same fire. For the fire of the sun gives

life

> > to the wheat, to the bread and to the body. But the fire of death

> > kills the wheat, the bread and the body. ... "

[Guest guest]

Hi , thanks for the info and the insight.

ew

Re: sprouted breads

Date: Tue, 08 Apr 2008 15:10:03 -0000

Howdy all,

This is my first post seeing as how I am learning much from simply

reading the discussions and advice, and since I've been studying

theology and biblical manuscript evidence much longer than I have

been

sprouting, so this will be about the only message where I might be

able

to say something meaningful to some in the group.

The original quote comes from a document called " The Essene Gospel of

Peace " supposedly translated from a manuscript Dr. Szekely found in

the

Vatican Archives and confirmed from another source found in the

Hapsburg Royal Library. It is controversial in that Szekely's

signature is not found in the logs for the Vatican Library, and both

libraries deny the existence of said manuscript. Szekely published

his

work before the discovery of the Dead Sea Scrolls, so once the Qumran

scrolls were discovered and translated, it was pretty clear that they

did not share a common source.

Really, there are only two possibilities for Szekely's work. First,

it

is either a very late document possibly written by a Christian monk

who

learned much from monastic living and wanted to give credibility to

his

ideas by working them into a gospel narrative, OR it is entirely

Szekely's writing and he made it into a fictitious gospel in order to

gain some historical credibility to his ideas. In either case, the

author was completely unfamiliar with the geography and climate in

which the Essenes lived.

Does this mean the Gospel of Peace should not be trusted? No,

actually

there is a long-standing tradition in biblical manuscripts of working

spiritual ideas into narratives with historical figures. Certain

stories about Jesus in the gospels in the Bible are literary and not

necessarily historical. And there are the second and third century

gospels that are part of the Nag Hammadi library like the Gospel of

, the Gospel of , and the Gospel of Truth. They are

likely not historical, but they still have some valuable spiritual

knowledge in them.

Anyway, just my $0.02 and some useless information for y'all.

Peace,

> >

> > Hi Doug!

> > It is Ezekiel 4:9 I guess, from the Bible.

> >

> > Karine

> ----------------------------------------------------------

>

>

> Karine,

>

> Thanks. This explains why I couldn't find the quote in my Bible.

The

> book of Exekiel isn't part of the King Version.

>

> Doug

>

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Oups

It's been a while I didn't read the bible. But I thought that was that because

one kind of bread do talk about this verse.

Karine

Re: sprouted breads

What is the source of the quote below???

Doug C.

Houston, Tex.

----------------------------------------------------------

> > Jesus replied, " Let the angels of God prepare your bread Moisten

your

> > wheat, that the angel of water may enter it. Then set it in the

air,

> > that the angel of air also may embrace it. And leave it from

morning

> > to evening beneath the sun, that the angel of sunshine may

descend

> > upon it. And the blessing of the three angels will soon make the

germ

> > of life to sprout in your wheat, Then crush your grain, and make

thin

> > wafers.... Put them back again beneath the sun.... And the same

sun

> > which with the fire of life, mode the wheat to grow and ripen! ,

must

> > cook your bread with the same fire. For the fire of the sun gives

life

> > to the wheat, to the bread and to the body. But the fire of death

> > kills the wheat, the bread and the body. ... "

[Guest guest]

>

> Hey Doug, look again. I have several versions of the Bible, including

> King , and Ezekiel is in all of them. It's important to note here

> that God is speaking to Ezekiel here and not to mankind. Also, the name

> of Jesus never appears in the Old Testament.

> ew

>

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Please accept my apologies. Ezekiel is a book of the Bible.

I didn't recognize any of the text quoted about making bread. Did a

text search of the Bible and did not find anything resembling the

quoted text. At that point I glanced quickly at the book names, and

just overlooked Ezekiel. The text quoted Jesus as the author of the

text. I didn't pick up on that clue either. Jesus is not mentioned

by name in the Old Testament.

Even though Ezekiel is a book of the Bible, the text quoted as coming

from Ezekiel 4:9 in the post related to making bread is not part of

the Bible. I still question its origin.

Ezekiel 4:9 has to do with Israel's punishment. It does mention bread

baking, but in the context that it is defiled, not made in a healthy

manner as would be suggested by the sun baked loaf. In fact, rather

than using the sun to bake the bread, God commands the bread be baked

in the open using human excrement for fuel. God finally relented and

allowed the bread to be baked using cow manure for fuel instead of

human excrement.

Doug C.

Houston, Tex.

[Guest guest]

I find it interesting that passages like this, which specifically

refer to baking food with fuel, pretty much put to rest the raw food

movement's assertion that all food was eaten raw back then. Whether

one believes the Bible or not, it's an ancient text, and cooked food

is mentioned.

Mark

>

>

> Please accept my apologies. Ezekiel is a book of the Bible.

>

> I didn't recognize any of the text quoted about making bread. Did

a

> text search of the Bible and did not find anything resembling the

> quoted text. At that point I glanced quickly at the book names,

and

> just overlooked Ezekiel. The text quoted Jesus as the author of

the

> text. I didn't pick up on that clue either. Jesus is not

mentioned

> by name in the Old Testament.

>

> Even though Ezekiel is a book of the Bible, the text quoted as

coming

> from Ezekiel 4:9 in the post related to making bread is not part of

> the Bible. I still question its origin.

>

> Ezekiel 4:9 has to do with Israel's punishment. It does mention

bread

> baking, but in the context that it is defiled, not made in a

healthy

> manner as would be suggested by the sun baked loaf. In fact,

rather

> than using the sun to bake the bread, God commands the bread be

baked

> in the open using human excrement for fuel. God finally relented

and

> allowed the bread to be baked using cow manure for fuel instead of

> human excrement.

>

> Doug C.

> Houston, Tex.

>

[Guest guest]

On Wed, Apr 9, 2008 at 9:33 AM, Doug Chartier <doug@...> wrote:

> > Ezekiel 4:9 has to do with Israel's punishment. It does mention bread

> baking, but in the context that it is defiled, not made in a healthy

> manner as would be suggested by the sun baked loaf. In fact, rather

> than using the sun to bake the bread, God commands the bread be baked

> in the open using human excrement for fuel. God finally relented and

> allowed the bread to be baked using cow manure for fuel instead of

> human excrement.

In the American Standard Version of the Bible, Ezekiel 4:9 reads:

" Take thou also unto thee wheat, and barley, and beans, and lentils,

and millet, and spelt, and put them in one vessel, and make thee bread

thereof; according to the number of the days that thous shalt lie upon

thy side, even three hundred and ninety days, shalt thou eat thereof. "

In fact, the Ezekiel 4: 9 - 13 is all about what the Israelis should

eat. And Ezekiel 4:13 went on about what they should eat in other

lands: " And the Lord said, Even thus shall the children of Israel eat

their bread unclean, amonth the nations whither I will drive them. "

[Guest guest]

This is not a Biblical forum, but please allow a suggestion.

Ezekiel is a book of prophesy. People see flying saucers and aliens

in it. It has been used by the UFO folks to give credence to the

theory of " ancient astronauts " . Like all prophesy the meaning can be

interpreted in different ways, BUT it was only meant in ONE way. That

one way is often understood by very few, and in some cases no one

understands it, not even the author. Read the last few lines of the

book of .

Taken at face value, however, the book presents a somewhat

understandable picture. Ezekiel was ordered by God to go to the

Israelites and tell them (prophesy) what was to happen to them as a

result of their wickedness and failure to follow His laws.

THE SUGGESTION:

Read Ezekiel in a modern English translation. Today's English is

simply easier to understand than the Old English of King ' time.

No thees, thous and a more easily understood sentence structure.

As you read you will undoubtedly be confounded by some of the text -

creatures with multiple faces, wheels with glowing eyes, winged

creatures etc. If you do not understand those, don't be concerned,

but above all do not impart your own interpretation to them. This is

UFO territory.

As you read simply take in the story. Read the text as written.

Understand what God was telling Ezekiel to do and why. That story is

as appropriate for today as it was in Ezekiel's time with the

exception of the time element. God told Ezekiel to tell the

Israelites they would be punished for a period of time, and that time

was related to the period of time of Ezekiel's demonstration.

Ezekiel's prophesy came true. The Israelites were starved, diseased,

killed and scattered among other tribes in the world, all except for a

small group that was salvaged.

The mention of food - bread as mentioned before in this thread - had

nothing to do with the methods of making bread. It was simply telling

Ezekiel what he should eat and how he should prepare the food and eat

during the long period of time he was to lay on his side to show

Israel how long they were to be punished for their transgressions.

As mentioned before, God first told Ezekiel to cook this bread over

fire from human excrement. Ezekiel told God that he had never defiled

his body with unclean food and asked that he not be commanded to do so

for this demonstration. God relented and granted the request. The

bread could be baked over fire from cow manure.

The Israelites were not commanded TO eat unclean food. Instead they

were told they WOULD eat unclean food. It was part of the prophesy of

their punishment.

Doug C.

Houston, Tex.

[Guest guest]

Doug, thank you for your insight.

ew

Re: sprouted breads

Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2008 08:39:44 -0000

This is not a Biblical forum, but please allow a suggestion.

Ezekiel is a book of prophesy. People see flying saucers and aliens

in it. It has been used by the UFO folks to give credence to the

theory of " ancient astronauts " . Like all prophesy the meaning can be

interpreted in different ways, BUT it was only meant in ONE way. That

one way is often understood by very few, and in some cases no one

understands it, not even the author. Read the last few lines of the

book of .

Taken at face value, however, the book presents a somewhat

understandable picture. Ezekiel was ordered by God to go to the

Israelites and tell them (prophesy) what was to happen to them as a

result of their wickedness and failure to follow His laws.

THE SUGGESTION:

Read Ezekiel in a modern English translation. Today's English is

simply easier to understand than the Old English of King ' time.

No thees, thous and a more easily understood sentence structure.

As you read you will undoubtedly be confounded by some of the text -

creatures with multiple faces, wheels with glowing eyes, winged

creatures etc. If you do not understand those, don't be concerned,

but above all do not impart your own interpretation to them. This is

UFO territory.

As you read simply take in the story. Read the text as written.

Understand what God was telling Ezekiel to do and why. That story is

as appropriate for today as it was in Ezekiel's time with the

exception of the time element. God told Ezekiel to tell the

Israelites they would be punished for a period of time, and that time

was related to the period of time of Ezekiel's demonstration.

Ezekiel's prophesy came true. The Israelites were starved, diseased,

killed and scattered among other tribes in the world, all except for

a

small group that was salvaged.

The mention of food - bread as mentioned before in this thread - had

nothing to do with the methods of making bread. It was simply telling

Ezekiel what he should eat and how he should prepare the food and eat

during the long period of time he was to lay on his side to show

Israel how long they were to be punished for their transgressions.

As mentioned before, God first told Ezekiel to cook this bread over

fire from human excrement. Ezekiel told God that he had never defiled

his body with unclean food and asked that he not be commanded to do

so

for this demonstration. God relented and granted the request. The

bread could be baked over fire from cow manure.

The Israelites were not commanded TO eat unclean food. Instead they

were told they WOULD eat unclean food. It was part of the prophesy of

their punishment.

Doug C.

Houston, Tex.

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Anon.

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In a message dated 4/7/2008 8:34:50 AM Central Daylight Time,

lgermanio@... writes:

> If you are into the nostalgic stuff, just go to the grocery store and

> buy a loaf of sugar and powder Wonder Bread. That takes no effort

> and maybe is less toxic than cooking in your Easy Bake oven.

>

I've never liked Wonder Bread. My Easy Bake oven is just a cute thing on my

shelf. I don't use it. I was only kidding about cooking the bread in there.

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I am a newbie, I tried to find the answer to this question but to no

avail. Was wondering if Eziekiel4: Sprouted Bread and or my own

sprouted wheat berrie or spelt or kamut or whatever dehydrated bread

was ok on the diet?

Jean

[Guest guest]

>

> I am a newbie, I tried to find the answer to this question but to no

> avail. Was wondering if Eziekiel4: Sprouted Bread and or my own

> sprouted wheat berrie or spelt or kamut or whatever dehydrated bread

> was ok on the diet?

Hi Jean. Welcome to our group. No, those breads are not on the

candida diet since all breads are too high in starches/carbs.

Bee